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  1. Present: Alex Hill, Callum MacInnes, Sue Hamilton, Lesley Scott, Rob Thompson, Geoff Cartwright, Peter Curry, Mandy Littlewood

  1. In Attendance: Charlie Reid Thomas, Fiona Thompson, Tom Leatherland, Beryl Leatherland (for item 5), Mike Brockie, Ally Campbell, Malcolm Hamilton (from item 6), Neil Beswick and Siobhan from Stirling Developments (until end of item 5)

  1. Apologies: Lorna Wilkie, Kat Tebbutt Doreen Kempsell,

  1. Minutes of the meeting of September 27th 2016. Proposed Lesley; Seconded Geoff. Approved.

  1. Matters Arising from meeting of September 27th 2016.

  1. HGV restriction signs at Pattiesmuir and Charlestown junctions are now in place!

  2. Street name signs at Pan Knowe and Church Place still awaited.

  3. Drainage at Charles Way. Ditch: Estate has put up signs. Secretary still working on a meeting with Scottish Water and Ian Jones to sort out problems in the network identified in the survey.

  4. Travel on school buses. Lorna had put information about travelling on school buses on the notice boards. Lesley had travelled on a school bus recently. It was noisy!

  5. Bus services on Boxing Day and New Year’s Day. Stagecoach say that cost would be prohibitive.

  6. Red Row. New sign seems to be working.

  7. Janice and Jimmy retirement: still no agreed date for handover.

  8. Airport consultation. Responses to the consultation are being collated and analysed. Noise complaint line is still operational. Passenger numbers have apparently risen more than had been anticipated over recent months.

  9. Speeding west of Charlestown. Secretary had met Scott Blyth on site. Agreed that the bins and the flower tubs give a fairly clear indication that the road does not go straight ahead. Scott will put in an order for the white line to be renewed and for a 20mph roundel to be painted on the road.

  10. Dilapidated wooden ‘door’ in the wall opposite Wellheads still to be addressed.

  1. Police Matters

No news. No report. There’s a community engagement meeting on the 21st

  1. Stirling Developments. Presentation by Neil Beswick

  1. Neil gave a very full and informative presentation of the Masterplan which has been adapted in light of input at the Design Workshop in July and the consultation event in August.

  2. A possible line for a possible future Rosyth bypass from the Pitreavie Spur has been included. (NB No-one has any plans for a Rosyth bypass at the moment!).

  3. Two two-stream primary school sites have been identified (instead of one three-stream school).

  4. Grange Road has been realigned to be further from the cottages.

  5. There has been realignment of the junction with Limekilns Road and the western distributor road.

  6. Indicative Greenway routes through the site have been indicated.

  7. When development commences it is likely to be at a point further south than originally envisaged.

  8. More smaller SUDS ponds have been planned in place of fewer large ones.

  9. Neil acknowledged that the issue of traffic generated on Limekilns and Grange Roads had yet to be addressed.

  10. Neil responded to a number of questions, including energy efficiency and preservation of biodiversity.

  11. He and Siobhan were thanked for their time and allowed to depart.

  1. Planning - Pattiesmuir

  1. Factor had sent to Secretary and Geoff, an outline of an amended planning application which is being prepared, with a reduction from nine houses to eight.

  2. Geoff expressed his frustration at the contrast between what we have just heard about how Stirling Developments are engaging with the community and how ‘Broomhall Farm Partnerships’ had totally failed to engage with the residents of Pattiesmuir; and how no gestures of goodwill or recognition of the concerns of residents had, at any time, been forthcoming from the Estate. He anticipated that objections from residents to 8 houses would be at least as many as there were to the original 9 houses.

  3. Charlie said that fencing is to be erected at the Piggery, and that parking for the flats would be considered in the event that planning permission were granted.

  4. The manner in which the village envelope was extended in the Dunfermline and West Fife Local Plan is an issue which still concerns the Secretary. She has searched all references to Pattiesmuir in the draft and finalised plans and can find no reference to the redrawing of the village envelope. Residents were never informed or consulted on any change. Had they been involved all those years ago, they could probably not have made a valid objection but would, thereafter, have had it in mind that something would happen sometime.

  5. Secretary observed that the images produced for the planning application included no images at all as to the likely visual impact of the development on the existing village. buildings. She asked that drawings be produced with southern elevations of the College building alongside the houses in plot A, and a view from the Main Street looking east. Charlie said he would ask for these to be produced.

  1. Planning SESPlan

  1. There had been a SESPLan drop-in event at the City Chambers yesterday. Some of us had attended. This plan ‘sits’ ‘above’ the FifePlan and ‘below’ the National Planning Framework.

  2. Secretary questioned how anything ever gets removed from the plan if it is no longer required for the purpose originally envisaged. The ‘additional container capacity on the Forth’ is a case in point. At the Public Inquiry, we were told it was imperative to the Scottish economy that a new facility at Rosyth be up and running by 2014. The world and the Scottish economy has continued to turn without it.

  3. SESPlan has a good section on ‘Placemaking’. Geoff questioned whether the proposed development at Pattiesmuir could conform to the ‘placemaking’ criteria described.

  1. Broomhall Estate

  1. Shooting season begins this Friday and lasts till the end of January. Lesley requested that shooting be directed away from houses in Halkett’s Hall, not towards them!

  2. Charlie introduced George Hipwell, who will be replacing Charlie as Factor while Charlie is on sabbatical in New Zealand.

  3. Kathleen and Romy will continue to be in attendance in the office.

  4. Office days are to be changed to Monday and Friday instead of Monday and Thursday.

  1. Treasurer’s Report. .

Invoice for Remembrance wreath requires payment.

  1. Secretary’s report

  1. Lighting on the Promenade. At the last meeting, Lesley had commented on how poor the lighting was on The Promenade. Secretary had asked for it to be checked and rectified as a matter of urgency. The lighting was much improved shortly thereafter. Fife Council man said it hadn’t yet been checked!

  2. Aircraft Carrier Noise. Secretary had been contacted about the very loud engine noise from the aircraft carrier – often at weekends. We have been given no information about why this is being done, nor the length of time we will have to put up with it. She had put in an on-line complaint to Environmental Health and had received an immediate response from them. She was told weekend working was to do with the shift pattern. One member of the Community Council said it was because they are testing radar equipment which they couldn’t do when other workers were on board during normal hours. (Post meeting note: Babcock say ‘Testing of the diesel generators takes place at weekends – during daytime hours – to ensure that the programme schedule is maintained. This has nothing to do with the radars.’) Babcock is now keeping Secretary updated. They are installing an acoustic shield and will tell us when testing is to happen, and they will bring noise meters to the village.

  3. Halyard noise at Capernaum Pier. A resident of Brucehaven Road made an approach to the Cruising Club to ensure halyards are properly secured at craning out. This is to avoid the din that is often generated by loose halyards during windy weather. Mike Brockie advised that, if a particular yacht is noisy, take its name and put a note through the letterbox at the Cruising Club so that they can contact the owner about it.

  4. SNP sign in Charlestown. A resident had approached the Secretary about the length of time this large sign had remained in place following the election in May. Secretary had reported it to planning enforcement on-line. They are investigating.

  5. Garden hedges. There are various places in the village where hedges are overhanging the pavement. It is helpful if householders take a regular walk around their boundary to check that their vegetation is not causing an obstruction.

  6. Merryhill Bridge visibility. Lorna had asked whether taking two rows of bricks off the parapet of the bridge might increase visibility for cars. Secretary had spoken to a man in Fife Council Structures, who will take a look.

  1. Councillors. No councillors. No report.

  1. AOCB

  1. WFVCC Citizen of the year. Rob will propose Janice and Jimmy as worthy nominees. It was suggested he approach Karen Hart to help identify a nominee for young citizen of the year.

  2. Remembrance Day Wreath. Alex will lay the wreath for the Community Council.

  3. Rob said that a clean-up of the area round the War memorial has been organised for next weekend. Lesley has volunteered to remove the old wreaths.

  4. Noted that the entrance to HMS Caledonia has been relocated while work is carried out at the main gate. Police signs are in place.

  5. Serious problem of dog fouling at Capernaum Pier among the craned out yachts. Someone is allowing their dog to do its business out of sight of its owner. A notice might be in order.

  6. There had recently been a big sewage spill on Capernaum Pier. Scottish Water had cleared it up.

  7. Rob queried why so many sludge lorries pass through the village each day and suggested we should campaign for an upgrade of our sewage systems. The view of the meeting was that Scottish Water do a generally good job in maintaining the aging infrastructure, and will have an appropriate planned renewal scheme..

Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 29th November 2016. Gellet Hall. 7.30pm





  1. Present: Alex Hill, Sue Hamilton, Lesley Scott, Rob Thompson, Lorna Wilkie, Geoff Cartwright,

  1. In Attendance: Cllr Callaghan, Charlie Reid Thomas, Doreen Kempsell, Neil Lyndon, Saskia Arnold

  1. Apologies: Callum MacInnes, Tommy Cuthbert, Peter Curry, Mandy Littlewood, Kat Tebbutt

  1. Minutes of the meeting of August 30th 2016. Proposed Geoff; Seconded Rob. Approved.

  1. Matters Arising from meeting of August 30th 2016.

  1. HGV restriction signs. No progress. Scott Blyth says Amey have it in hand.

  2. Giant Hogweed. Mapping of the invasive species south of the A985 is complete. Now the search is on for funding. ‘Water Environment Fund’ seems to be do with watercourse restoration. Rob reminded Lorna of a contact at Scottish Water. They have Giant Hogweed within their boundary at Ironmill Bay and should control it. Rob and Lorna will liaise.

  3. IFLI Kilns project. Vegetation clearance has been completed. More survey work on the structure now being done.

  4. Street name signs at Pan Knowe and Church Place still awaited.

  5. Drainage at Charles Way. Ditch has been commented on with reference to dogs and children falling in. If they did, they could climb out. It will only have water in it for very short periods. Estate is going to put up a sign. People who habitually walk into the woods beside 33 Charles Way, are advised to walk up beside 1 Charles Court instead, so that the ditch is not in their way, and they can walk on the south side of the ditch and bund, where there is plenty of room

  6. Travel on school buses. Lorna had received a positive answer from Gillian Smith: ‘Members of the public can use Fife Council contracted services (school buses) to travel to and from Rosyth Railway Station during term time.  This has been confirmed by Fife Council and the services will be added to bus stops in Crombie, Charlestown and Limekilns on 24th October (although you can use the services now). These are: WM2 from Limekilns at 08:02 - reaching the station at 08:20, SC7 from Crombie 07:58, Charlestown 08:00 and Limekilns 08:05 - reaching the station at 08:22. Return journeys from the station are the WM2 to Limekilns at 15:40, and the SC7 to all three villages at 16:11 (reaches Crombie at 16:36). All drivers have been informed that they are to let passengers on.’

  7. Lorna had also written on the subject of bus services on Boxing Day and New Year’s Day. These are Mondays, so people should write to Stagecoach

  8. Groundswell Rising DVD. Who has it?

  9. Red Row. Secretary had approached Mike Cameron who had designed and installed a sign that, it is hoped, might discourage casual drivers. Community Council had agreed to fund it. Invoice for £45 to be handed to Kat for payment.

  10. Janice and Jimmy retirement. Post Office have finally approved a transfer to Abi. No agreed date for handover yet. .

  1. Woodland Burial Site at Douglas Bank?

  1. Neil Lyndon from Crossford had contacted the Secretary this week about his endeavours to have a Woodland burial site established in Fife. He and his colleague, Saskia Arnold, were in attendance to gauge the response of the Community Council to the idea of a Woodland burial site at Douglas Bank Cemetery. To the east of the cemetery, there are 20 acres of ground which has been in the ownership of Fife Council since 1947, when there was the possibility that it might be required for Commonwealth War Graves. Bereavement Services have recently agreed to do some test excavation to assess soil depth etc. The land is currently farmed by John Hutcheson under a tenancy agreement with Fife Council. It’s early days yet, but members of the Community Council who were present were interested in the idea and happy to support further exploration of the ways and means by which the proposal could be progressed.

  2. There are many different business models for such burial sites. ‘The Association of Natural Burial Grounds’ provides regulatory advice, under the umbrella of The Natural Death Centre’

  3. Neil and Saskia were thanked for their attendance.

  1. Police Matters

No news. No report.

  1. Planning

  1. Bistro. Went to West Area Planning Committee last Wednesday, with a very clear recommendation for refusal by the Planning Officer. The refusal was supported by the committee by five votes to four. Cllr Callaghan had not been present.

  2. Pattiesmuir. Factor said that an amended planning application is being prepared, with a reduction from nine houses to eight. There will be a further consultation period. We will clarify whether objections need to be submitted again

  3. Stirling Developments. Secretary had submitted a CC response. Lorna thought we should do more to raise awareness of the opportunities for the public to respond. There is to be a further consultation event in October/November.

  1. Airport consultation

  1. A response had been sent from the Community Council.

  2. Secretary had been invited by the Consultation Institute (which is advising on, and monitoring, the Airport’s consultation process) to join a ‘Stakeholder Reference Group’. The group had met for the first time last week.

  1. Proposed Changes to Domestic Waste Disposal

  1. Fife Council have reversed a decision to implement new rules on 3rd October. These were drawn up with the intention of introducing new charges for commercial users of landfill sites while still allowing householders to dispose of domestic refuse.

  2. Cllr Callaghan said the scheme had been drawn up without the knowledge or approval of Councillors. A public consultation is planned in the next few months.

  1. Broomhall Estate

  1. New farm building under construction at Brickworks

  2. Garage building under construction to the West of Broomhall house.

  3. Secretary commented on the very dilapidated state of the wooden ‘door’ in the wall opposite Wellheads.

  4. Bushes are obstructing the view from the loos. Whose are they? Can they be trimmed?

  5. Community Council members expressed their delight in meeting in Pattiesmuir again, following the installation of the new roof which is much admired and appreciated

  1. Treasurer’s Report. .

  1. Invoice for the Red Row sign requires payment.

  1. Secretary’s report

  1. We have been an ‘Environmental Body’ in the eyes of Entrust, for some 20 years. Because grants from Landfill Tax are, henceforth, to be dealt with separately in Scotland, we have had our status as an ‘Environmental Body’ revoked. In the future, grant applications will be made direct to Fife Environment Trust.

  2. A resident had contacted the Secretary about the state of the roads and pavements in the Roundalls. He was of the view that the money spent on replacing street lights would have been better spent on road and footway repairs. He also had concerns about the effect of the bluer light in suppressing melatonin levels. Melatonin is a hormone which helps maintain our diurnal rhythm of sleep and wakefulness. Secretary had explained that the CC has no influence on maintenance / replacement decisions made by Fife Council Roads department. There is a system available on Fife Direct under ‘Have Your Say’ where you can report a Road Fault.

  1. Councillors. The plans to change Ward boundaries have been confirmed. So, we, together with Crombie will be in Rosyth Ward, rather than West Fife Villages.

  1. AOCB

  1. WFVCC Citizen of the year, and a WF young citizen of the year. Janice and Jimmy would be worthy nominees.

  2. Congratulations to the Floral Display Group on achieving Silver Gilt Awards for both villages!!

  3. The ivy has finally been removed from the Telephone Exchange building.

  1. War Memorial. John McQueen had responded quickly to Secretary’s request that the grass be cut. Rob said that gorse and ragwort had been removed before they seeded. Sycamore stump is resisting efforts to poison it! Grants to carry out improvements to the eastern access path are being sought. Lime Centre interested in using the wall as a location for training in techniques with lime mortar.

  2. The ‘Blue Stone’. This local landmark is in the wall below the War memorial, and marks the boundary between Charlestown and Limekilns. It has been painted blue for some 20 years. John Ferguson has removed the blue paint to show the somewhat quirky pieces of bluish marble which are incorporated in the wall in the shape of a rectangle.

  3. Lorna highlighted a problem of speeding on the road into and out of Charlestown. Travelling from the west, there is no speed limit or hazard warning until you hit your brakes when you see a 20mph sign which is far too near the right angled bend to slow you down sufficiently to negotiate it safely. Secretary will speak to Traffic Management.

Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 25th October 2016. Gellet Hall. 7.30pm




1. Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Rob Thompson, Kat Tebbutt, Geoff Cartwright,
2. In Attendance: Charlie Reid Thomas, Ken Kirkpatrick, Ken Reynolds, plus some 40 others for Edinburgh Airport presentation (which took place in the church).
3. Apologies: Alex Hill, Callum MacInnes, Lorna Wilkie, Mandy Littlewood, Cllr Callaghan.
4. In the absence of both the Chairman and Vice Chairman, Peter Curry (past chairman) chaired the meeting
5. Edinburgh Airport presentation.
?Gordon Robertson spoke for some 15 minutes, and took questions thereafter. A recording was made of the meeting. A written account is appended to these minutes.
6. Minutes of the meeting of 28th June 2016. Approved.
7. Matters Arising from meeting of 28th June 2016.
a) HGV restriction signs. No progress. Secretary will contact Scott Blyth.
b) Street name signs at Pan Knowe and Church Place still awaited.
c) Travel on school buses. Lorna will continue her investigations on her return.
d) Groundswell Rising DVD. Who has it?
e) Drainage at Charles Way. Fife Council had done a major piece of work on one of the gullies in Haven’s Edge. Meeting still to be convened with Ben Bickle, Ian Jones, and residents’ representatives to determine what else will be done by whom, when, and at whose expense. The Estate has carried out a major piece of work in the field – digging an open ditch, the contents of which will drain into a new pipe laid a long way down the edge of the field behind Charles Court. The effectiveness will be monitored. We need to discourage walkers from walking along the north side of the ditch. The Estate has cleared the brushwood from the ‘woods’. Thanks for all the work done.
f) Fast Broadband. Generally working well. If you are unhappy, tell your ISP.
g) IFLI Kilns project. Major vegetation clearance has been done since the end of the nesting season.
h) Giant Hogweed. Mapping of the invasive species in the area is almost complete.
i) Promenade. Secretary had written to Scott Blyth and Ian Jones, asking that any resurfacing be combined with the installation of speed tables instead of speed cushions. Had received a very discouraging response.
j) Red Row. Secretary had spoken to Scott Blyth. He had agreed that we might do better to get our own sign made. Meeting agreed that Secretary would approach Mike Cameron to design a suitable sign.
k) Janice and Jimmy retirement. Abi, who is the potential buyer, has his formal interview with the Post Office on 6th September. We should know soon thereafter when we can arrange for a collection for Janice and Jimmy.
8. Police Matters
In relation to the ‘white van’ incident at Charles Way, it was subsequently found that the lady in question had had £700 extracted from her bank account. The Secretary checked that the police had cross-referenced this with the registration number information she has previously passed to 101. She was appalled to find that they had no record of her call. (Note to all: make sure you get a reference number for any call you make to 101.) The police are following up the theft incident ‘as part of a wider investigation’)


1. Planning
a) Bistro. Did not go to committee this month pending investigation of a query concerning the site boundary line.
b) Pattiesmuir. No news. Factor suggested that there might be a resubmission of the planning application. Geoff Cartwright repeated his suggestion that there are some actions the Estate could make to reassure residents that their concerns are acknowledged. These include: removing now the visually obstructive trees and fence at Kilberry Cottage, discussing how parking spaces might be provided for the residents of the flats, carrying out work to make the ‘Piggery’ site tidier and safer and less attractive to ‘ne’er do wells’.
c) Stirling Developments. On August 25th, there was an exhibition in the Glen of the ‘masterplan’ for their ‘Broomhall’ development. There was continuing disappointment at the paucity of information as to how construction traffic and traffic from the early stages of development would get in and out of the site – other than via Grange Road and Limekilns Road and their southern junctions. They are open for comments until 9th September. Secretary will draft a CC response for discussion.

1. Babcock consultation on application for a Marine Licence
A response was submitted despite the fact that the Secretary’s request for more time for a Community Council response was refused.

1. Treasurer’s Report. .
a) Fife Council grant of £615.66 had been received. Bank balance: £3084.33
b) APRS subscription of £25 due to be paid.

1. Secretary’s report
a) Bruce Arms. Phil and Stef have taken over the business from the Pitblados, and have lots of ideas for building the business.
b) A resident had complained about unsavoury material floating at high tide near the pumping station at Halketts Hall. Secretary had spoken to SW personnel carrying out routine maintenance, and been given a tutorial on how it all works. They had not found anything amiss with the pumps. If anything untoward is noticed, please phone the SW Customer help line on 0800 0778 778. An ‘Emergency Pollution Incident’ report will be initiated and operators will be sent out to inspect and rectify.

1. Councillors. None present

a) Unconventional Gas. WFVCC Forum wants each Community Council to raise the issue and find a community position on the subject of Coal exploitation in the Forth using novel methods. Although there was a WFCCF letter authored by a previous Chair which opposed Fracking on the Forth, the Forum believes that there are still CCs who have no clear direction/decision from their communities. Secretary will canvass the email list.
b) WFVCC Forum has a history of recognising a WF Citizen of the year, and a WF young citizen of the year. The Forum agreed at its last meeting that each CC will identify “active” citizens that were clearly benefitting their local community. WFCCF to fund (£25/head) awards within each CC and then, from those local recipients, the WFCCF award could be selected by vote by WFCCF Reps, with proviso that a rep could not vote for a nominee in their own CC. Nominations to be judged at December meeting and presented at February AGM.

Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 27th September 2016. Pattiesmuir. 7.30pm




Airspace Change Programme presentation on 30th August 2016 at Limekilns by Gordon Robertson
• 24 hours operation. Royal Mail etc in the small hours
• Edinburgh is a ‘peaky’ airport. Morning and evening rush. Runway gets congested. Want more airspace so that can get off the ground with one minute separation.
• 53 flights to ‘London’ per day.
• Haven’t changed airspace for 40 years.
• Process for changing airspace is set out in CAP725.
• Airport controls flights below 7000 ft. NATS controls the rest.
• Modern planes navigate by RNAV which will make flight paths narrower. Most planes using Edinburgh have RNAV. NATS is gradually doing away with beacons which directed previous flight paths.
• Over the years, the pattern has been that 70% of planes take off westwards, 30% eastwards.
• This year there have been a far greater number of days with easterly winds.
• New flight paths will be chosen first for safety, then for efficiency, and finally for the effect on communities.
• Results of this consultation will be analysed. They would like to return to communities in January /Feb to seek community response to the alternative proposed paths through each of the broad swathes. They will have noise and environmental impact information for each. They would take their final proposal to the CAA next summer.
• TUTUR trial was a reputational disaster. They got a bloody nose because they got their communication so wrong.

1. How many planes currently leave per day? How many will leave when you have made the changes? Talked about what they want to do when they come back in the spring when they’ll have three flight paths. Will have scenarios for 2016, 2018, 2020. We don’t know the total number of flights that will come over you.
2. Same questioner asked again about the total number of flights now, and after the changes. I don’t have the answers off the top of my head but I can get them to you.
3. Does RNAV allow an increased throughput? No, but It means we have more information about where planes are. Questioner asked again.
4. Generally, your current departure flight paths showed planes taking off and generally turning south. Why is it that you’re going to bring them north? Talked about GRICE, rather than a convincing answer to the question about southbound flights.
5. Questioner observed that it is generally the folk who live near the water who have been most troubled by what they perceive to have been a significant increase in aircraft noise. General agreement from the audience. One, who doesn’t live near the water said he hadn’t been troubled at all. Robertson reiterated that nothing had changed except the wind direction, and that he would send us the Limekilns ‘gate’ analysis.
6. Public Health medico spoke about noise and stress. Is there a Noise Action Plan? Yes, we have one, and we’re hiring a community Noise officer. We will produce a regular Noise Management Report. We’re going to have our own tracking system soon. People will be able to check what’s disturbing them and put in a complaint. They’re going to have a Noise monitoring forum. Chair of the group will be voted in by the community representatives. The forum will be given funding to spend as they deem fit. The Chair will sit on the airport’s noise consultative group.
7. Will the analysis of complaints take account of the relative population of the various communities? Yes
8. Another question asking why more planes which are generally heading south are apparently being routed north over us. No clear answer.
9. Why do you need 1 min departures? Because we have queuing at busy times. When SG cuts APD we want to be able to accommodate the predicted increase which results. Other airports have slots. We don’t.
10. When I’ve put in complaints, the answer we get is that it’s not a problem because it’s flying an approved route. That may be, but what I want to record is the huge variability in the amount of noise from different flights. You’re only interested in putting in new flight paths. My only interest is in how much noise I’m subject to. Do I understand that you fine airlines for making too much noise? Modern planes are bigger but quieter. We lean on operators to use modern planes. We tend not to fine for noise, but we charge more for older aircraft. We fine for flying off track or too low.
11. Fines are all very well, but how do they benefit the communities who have suffered? They go into the community fund.
12. How will communities know you have taken notice of what they say? We will work with NATS on the analysis of responses. When we come back to you we will have a matrix with ratings. We have employed the Consultation Institute to audit our process.
13. You seem to be referring to something like TUTUR Mark 2 - a GOSAM offload? Is this just a minor route? Answer was unclear and contained the sentences ‘NATS prefer them to fly GOSAM’. Airlines liked TUTUR because it was shorter
14. Why are you jumping the gun before the DfT have produced their new national framework? We’ve talked to them. They know what we’re doing. We’re future-proofing our scheme so that it complies with whatever they come up with.
15. I’m disappointed in how little information you give about noise footprints. That’s because we don’t yet know where the flight paths will be.
16. I’m concerned that you use the word ‘respite’ route. Respite, as generally used, refers to a break from something that is exceedingly stressful. Not a good omen. Will there be one flight path in each broad swathe, or more than one? We’ll probably have three or four options for consultation within each swathe.
17. We’re being asked to respond when we’re not being provided with enough information to know what the effect on us will be. Do you know that there are sound simulation software packages? We will bring that software at the next stage of the consultation.
18. No one wants noise. Is Edinburgh airport growth an inevitability? You say you are ‘remodelling’ the noise path. Is this redistributing a greater amount of noise than you are making at present? We’re trying to modernise and reposition to affect less people with a balance of impact across communities.
19. We are really only interested in knowing whether we will get noise or not.
20. What about making more use of Prestwick? People don’t want to fly to Prestwick, they want to fly to Edinburgh.
21. You said you aim to spread the noise over a larger area. How would you do this? There are a number of ways this is done, by the day, by the hour etc.





  1. Present:. Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Alex Hill, Callum MacInnes, Lesley Scott, Lorna Wilkie, Mandy Littlewood, Rob Thompson,

  1. In Attendance: Charlie Reid Thomas, Fiona Thompson, Ken Kirkpatrick, Ken Reynolds, Eric Thomson, Andy Sturton, Margaret Tait, Kate Terris, Bill Shirtliff, Eithne Griffiths, Colin and Betty Craig, Moira Adams, Shireen Fernie, Chris and Anne Oliver

  1. Apologies: Kat Tebbutt, Geoff Cartwright, Tommy Cuthbert, Cllr Kate Stewart, Yasmine Bazazi

  1. Minutes of the meeting of 31st May 2016.

After an amendment to item 5e, concerning the obligations of bus drivers, the meeting accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Peter Curry, Seconded: Lorna Wilkie

  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 31st May 2016.

  1. HGV restriction signs. Scott Blyth had sent Secretary images of the proposed signs for Pattiesmuir and Charlestown junctions.

  2. Potholes in South Row and North Row. As promised, the Factor had sent to the Secretary, and to Ian Jones, a copy of the original agreement with Dunfermline District Council about maintenance of the roads and the Green.

  3. Street name signs at Pan Knowe and Church Place still awaited.

  4. Travel on school buses. Lorna had drafted a letter which had been sent to Gillian Hill (now Smith). Gillian had sent a very brief response, largely missing the points made in the carefully drafted letter.

  5. Groundswell Rising DVD. Being passed round.

  6. Drainage at Charles Way. Secretary still to convene meeting with Ben Bickle, Ian Jones, and residents’ representatives to determine what will be done by whom, when, and at whose expense. Having Fife Council sort out the problems with the gullies would be a good start. The work, to remove the bund in the field and divert the new drain into the old one which has access the larger soakaway, has been carried out. Thank you. The pile of brushwood still to be removed. Estate hires a chipper periodically. The field levels survey is still to be completed by Fife Council. Emergency replacement sandbags are in place.

  7. Fast Broadband. Peter gave an update from Brian Clark. There has been a general improvement, but speed in the evenings is only half that at 3am. There are also some drop outs. Seems to be result of overload – there are some big uploads happening. If you are unhappy, tell your ISP.

  8. IFLI Kilns project. As promised, site set-up work commenced on 13th July. The activity may have led to disturbance to a colony of swifts nesting at the top of the wall. Secretary had alerted Historic Scotland.

  9. Giant Hogweed. Estate has sprayed the rampant growth on the path from the foot of the steps across the railway line towards Crombie Depot. Thank you. Two people who work for the Forestry Commission now live in Waulkmill Steadings and had contacted the Secretary to say they had some experience in dealing with invasive species. Lorna has been in touch with them, and, together they are mapping the invasive species in the area with a view to setting up a project next year to work with landowners to get funding and employ contractors to spray over a period of years. A Charlestown resident had expressed concern at the hogweed growing along the railway line west of West Harbour.

  10. Promenade Closure. Following a number of concerns raised by local businesses, it had been decided not to carry out the planned major works. Works will be carried out under a different regime. Secretary will write and request that we combine any resurfacing with the installation of speed tables instead of speed cushions (which do nothing to deter the worst offenders from speeding).

  11. Fracking. Following the Referendum, fracking in Scotland may well become more cost-effective to the industry with the rise in the price of oil and the likely fall in the value of the pound. We need to keep a watchful eye.

  1. Police Matters

  1. PC Kev Chandler’s report stated that there had been 4 calls each from Limekilns and Charlestown to 101.

  2. Following the circulation of last month’s minutes, a resident of another part of Charles Way reported that he had observed what might have been a similar incident to that involving an elderly widow who had her door knocked by a man who said she owed him money for work he had done on her roof. He noted the registration number of the van and passed it on to the Secretary. She passed the information to 101.

  3. Police had spoken to untidy and uncouth ‘wild campers’ in the woods at West Road.

  4. Flower planters had been stolen from Red Row.

  5. A wheelbarrow full of logs and a number of garden chairs had been taken from gardens in Charles Court to the beach, causing damage to boundary fencing..

  1. Planning

  1. Bistro. Some modified plans have been posted on the web site.

  2. Pattiesmuir. There are substantial numbers of detailed and thoughtful letters of objection from Pattiesmuir residents, and a number of brief letters of support from elsewhere.

  3. Stirling Developments presentation. On June 8th, Peter Stirling and colleagues presented the Stirling Developments ‘masterplan’ for their ‘Broomhall’ development. It was really more of a ‘vision’ combined with descriptions of elements of their ‘Calderwood’ development. (The two developments are not necessarily comparable because Calderwood is a ‘standalone’ development, whereas ‘Broomhall’ is effectively a southern expansion of Dunfermline.) Surprisingly and disappointingly, there seemed to have been little consideration as to how construction traffic and traffic from the early stages of development would get in and out of the site – other than via Grange Road and Limekilns Road and their southern junctions. There is a proposal that, eventually, access to the site would be via a bridge over the railway in a new road from the King Malcolm Hotel. There was a suggestion at the meeting that a link into the southern end of the site from the ‘Sky’ roundabout might be a better plan.

  1. Broomhall Estate

Alex asked if the Estate could carry out some trimming of the path over the Bell Hills.

  1. Babcock consultation on application for a Marine Licence

The consultation event on 23rd June concerned the proposed massive dredging and piling works which would be necessary for the construction of a container terminal. The material from the exhibition was not made available on-line until after the exhibition. Secretary had since circulated it to members. Secretary would ask for more time for a Community Council response. The necessary piling would be very noisy.

  1. Edinburgh Airport consultation

  1. The Community Council had received notice of a consultation being carried out by Edinburgh airport seeking views about revised flight paths. A flier had been delivered to every household (bar a few!). Peter Curry had studied the proposals and gave a brief résumé to the meeting. Maps show very wide swathes of Fife and the Lothians that could potentially be overflown and affected by noise. There is no indication of the likely frequency of flights or their heights.

  2. Peter suggests that we request a presentation by the Airport. Secretary will do so.

  3. An organisation called Edinburgh Airport Watch had contacted Community Councils, saying, in very simple terms, why proposals to alter flight paths should cause us all concern. Once a new flight path is approved, the airport can use it in whatever way it wishes, with no further recourse to affected communities, who have no rights to protection from aircraft noise.

  4. A resident of Halketts Hall is aware of more noisy flights at night. Freight and Charter flights are not subject to night-time flying restrictions. The airport seems to be making sure it is using and exploiting all the flight paths it currently has.

  1. Treasurer’s Report. .

  1. Nationwide funds had been transferred to the CC account at the Bank of Scotland, where the balance is now £2,267.77

  2. Fife Council grant application had been submitted on 2nd June.

  1. Secretary’s report

  1. Residents of Red Row are concerned to discourage traffic from attempting to use it as a through route. Walls and cars are getting damaged by vehicles attempting to turn when they have gone the wrong way. Bill Shirtliff had been in touch with Scott Blyth who will consider what signs are available. The existing sign, on the lamp post nearest the Prom seems to be ignored by many drivers.

  2. Janice and Jimmy retirement. Post Office is leading to delays in finalising the sale. When we know a date, a letter will be delivered to all households, requesting that donations to a retirement gift be deposited at one of the addresses listed.

  3. ‘Smart Life in Fife’. Secretary had received a package of materials promoting this on-line self-assessment of needs for independent living.

  4. ‘On Your Doorstep’. Secretary had received a package of materials promoting this web site, which has been compiled as a result of the ‘Community Mapping’ process that happened last autumn. It lists services and activities that are available in a locality.

  1. Councillors. None present

  1. AOCB

  1. On behalf of the Gala committee, Rob expressed thanks for support for the Sale on the Green event and for the door to door collection – which raised £1800.

  2. Camper vans seem to be parking overnight on Limekilns Pier. Not seen to be a problem as long as they are not there for more than the odd night and they do not do damage, cause disturbance or leave litter.

  3. Peter Curry has been elected as the only Scottish representative on the BMA. Meetings are in London first thing on Wednesday mornings, so he may have difficulty in attending Community Council meetings.

  4. There is to be a national consultation on the potential effects of centralising National Trauma Centres in Scotland. Medical profession had objected to there being just two, in Glasgow and Edinburgh, so four are now proposed, with centres at Aberdeen and Dundee. ‘They’ reckon this would give 93% of the population access to a trauma centre in 45 minutes.

Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 30th August 2016. Gellet Hall. 7.30pm



1. Present:. Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Alex Hill, Lesley Scott, Kat Tebbutt, Lorna Wilkie, Mandy Littlewood, Rob Thompson, Barbara Mackenzie

1. In Attendance: Cllr Kate Stewart, Charlie Reid Thomas, Andrew McCafferty, Fiona Thompson, Tom Leatherland, Ken Kirkpatrick, Jim Harrison, John Haxton, Jasmine Bazazi, Karen Grant, Robin Gray, Liz Hutchins, Brian Machray and Lucie Martin.

1. Apologies: Callum MacInnes, Geoff Cartwright, Tommy Cuthbert, Doreen Kempsell, Police, Cllr Callaghan

1. Minutes of the meeting of 26th April 2016.
The meeting accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Lesley Scott, Seconded: Lorna Wilkie

1. Matters Arising from meeting of 26th April 2016.
a) HGV restriction signs. Fife Council’s Scott Blyth who apologised for the delay. Signs have now been ordered for Pattiesmuir and Charlestown junctions.
b) Potholes in South Row and North Row are still of great concern. Factor said that the Estate has unearthed the original agreement with Fife Council which implies that Fife Council is responsible for road maintenance. He will send a copy to Ian Jones and to the Secretary.
c) Limekilns Pier. There had been an update from the working group in Village Link
d) Street name signs: Pan Knowe has been actioned as also has a new request for a sign for ‘Church Place, leading to Garden Entry’
e) Travel on school buses. Secretary had spoken to Gillian Hill of Fife Council who recognized that it was not possible to get the name of the driver of a bus which did not stop. Gillian will remind Stagecoach and other operators that they should pick up passengers who are at a recognized bus stop and make a clear indication that they wish to get on. It is an offence for a PSV (Public Service Vehicle) driver not to stop for passengers waiting at a bus stop. Clearer public information is required about the availability of these useful services. Suggest we plan an information campaign about them for the beginning of term in August.
f) Groundswell Rising DVD. Being passed round.
g) Drainage at Charles Way. Ben Bickle of Scottish Water had provided the Secretary with the name of the SW Network Manager – Ian Lawson. She will convene a meeting with him and Fife Council, and residents’ representatives to determine what will be done by whom, when, and at whose expense. The work, which Kathleen promised, to remove the bund and divert the new drain into old to access the larger soakaway has yet to be carried out. The Factor promised that this work would be done in June, as well as the removal of the pile of brushwood. The field levels survey is still to be completed by Fife Council. The newly placed sandbags were removed by Fife Council on the instruction of an unknown person. A pallet of emergency replacement sandbags will be delivered.
h) Fast Broadband. No update from Brian Clark.
i) Giant Hogweed. Now becoming rampant on the path from the foot of the steps across the railway line towards Crombie Depot. Lorna is going for a walk about with Emma from the Estate this week to see where spraying might be carried out. A number of plants have appeared in the grass at the top of the beach at Red Row. Council have sprayed these.

1. Police Report.
a) PC Kev Chandler had emailed a brief report to the Secretary, saying that, for our area, there was one record of theft and fifteen calls to the police in total.
b) There had been a nasty incident last weekend, when an elderly widow in Charles way had her door knocked by a man who said she owed him money for work he had done on her roof. He walked round the house with her and pointed to a place on the roof which he had worked on. Fortunately, she was not taken in by the ruse, but was badly shaken by the incident. She reported it in full to the police.
c) Vandalism and wild camping in the woodland off rocks Road.
d) Plants had been stolen from floral displays at the top of the hill and at Red Row. on the same date.

1. Broomhall Estate
a) Kilns project. Factor had met with Historic Environment Scotland this week. A lot of work has been done intermittently, and a comprehensive initial report compiled. (This has been circulated by the Secretary). From June 13th, the site will be secured with Heras fencing while further investigations and remedial work are carried out. The eventual plan is to place iron grill gates set back in all the openings, and tidy up the land in front of the kilns to allow easy maintenance.
b) Kathleen Brewster is staying with Davidson and Robertson, but will no longer be working at Broomhall. Recruitment for her replacement is underway.
c) New building being constructed at the ‘Brickworks’ as a base for Estate workmen and equipment. It is classed as ‘Permitted Development’
d) Pattiesmuir residents are concerned about the continuing dereliction at ‘Piggery’ site. It is an eyesore, a hazard, and attracts young folk with doubtful motives. The Fire Brigade had to attend at the weekend. Factor acknowledged the concern

1. Pattiesmuir Planning Application for 9 houses.
a) There had been some confusion over the deadline for responses to the application which had initially been 4th of June, but was now the 9th. Community Council as a statutory consultee had only until the 6th June. An informal meeting of Pattiesmuir residents on Monday evening will comment on a draft response from the Community Council.
b) Pattiesmuir residents raised the various concerns they had about the scale and density of the proposed development, the capacity of the proposed sewage treatment facility, and the limited vehicular access through the village and to the proposed properties, with particular reference to parked vehicles. Andrew McCafferty (planning consultant) who was in attendance, said that the pre-application consultation with the planners had not raised issues of particular concern.

1. ‘Broomhall’ Development, master plan presentation.
a) Peter Stirling and colleagues will present their current thinking on a master plan for this huge development area (almost wholly within our Community Council boundary!)This will be on Wednesday June 8th in the Gellet Hall.
b) Secretary had received a personal invitation to a two day event at the Glen Pavilion in July to hear speakers and discuss issues relating to the process of development and design. She has requested additional places.

1. Babcock consultation on application for a Marine Licence
This is in association with the massive dredging and piling works that have always been associated with the construction of a container terminal. The consultation event will be in the Elgin Hotel from 10.00 – 20.00 on 23rd June.

1. Treasurer’s Report. .
In view of the derisory interest rates in the Nationwide account, and the trauma of keeping signatories updated, it has been decided to close this account and transfer the funds into the CC account at the Bank of Scotland.

1. Secretary’s report
a) Secretary had received notice of a road closure of the Promenade for two weeks from 4th July.
b) She had been invited to the farewell do for Lynn Hoey on 2nd June.

1. Cllr Callaghan
Before she left, at the end of the AGM, Cllr Callaghan had reported that Fife Council had voted to ban Fracking in Fife.

1. Cllr Stewart
a) She is meeting a Greg Mackay of the ‘Bus User Group’ later this week. She will see whether she can help this community with bus issues.
b) Boundary Commission final proposal published this week. It is proposed that we and Crombie join Rosyth ward.
c) West Fife Villages CC Forum has its next meeting in Limekilns.
d) Sean Lynas from Rosyth Community Council had given a presentation to the last WFCC forum meeting about Rosyth’s orchard and food growing projects

a) Rob is proposing to apply to Tesco for ‘plastic bag’ funding to do further work on the eastern access to the War memorial. Minimum grants are £8,000.
b) There is rampant weed growth on the path that crosses Limekilns Green from the telephone box. ‘Someone’ is no longer maintaining it.
c) The roundabout in the play area at Charlestown Green has been reinstated today.
d) Lorna reported two bus incidents: A driver refused to let a lady off the bus at the top of the cobbled of Brae in Charlestown, saying it wasn’t a bus stop, when it clearly is! A driver also refused to let a lady get off the bus at the Sutlery request stop. The driver phoned Stagecoach and confirmed that he needn’t let her get off. We need to contact Gillian Hill again!

Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 28th June 2016. Gellet Hall. 7.30pm



Present: Callum MacInnes, Sue Hamilton, Mandy Littlewood, Lesley Scott, Rob Thompson, Lorna Wilkie, Trevor Jones.

In attendance: Cllr Callaghan, Charlie Reid Thomas, Tom Leatherland, Fiona Thompson, Ken Reynolds, Ken Kirkpatrick, Mike Graham, Doreen Kempsell, Karen Hart, Andrew Mitchell, five Explorer Scouts, Eric Thomson, Brian Clark, Colin and Betty Craig, Robin Cowie, Chris Oliver.

Apologies: Alex Hill, Peter Curry, Kat Tebbutt, Tommy Cuthbert, Geoff Cartwright, Cllr Stewart,

  1. Minutes of the meeting of 29th March 2016.

The meeting accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Lesley Scott, Seconded: Lorna Wilkie

  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 29th March 2016.

  1. Junction with A985. Signs now working as per original intention, but are still no help to drivers trying to get out of the village.

  2. HGV restriction signs. Still no signs. Secretary will chase again

  3. College roof work complete. Some work still to be done on the windows.

  4. IFLI Kilns project. Rory from Historic Scotland now no longer working on the project. Estate still waiting to hear what will happen next.

  5. Potholes in South Row and North Row. Still of great concern.

  6. Sewage in Lyne Burn. Scottish Water had responded promptly to reports of sanitary debris on the beach.

  7. Limekilns Pier. Eric Thomson had attended the last meeting and provided a helpful informal update: In order to acquire funds, they need a committee, office bearers, and a constitution as well as a lease for at least 25 years. It may involve the establishment of a Limekilns Heritage Trust. They have had encouraging responses to their enquiries about lottery grants. Funding is dependent on people learning about local history and heritage. Consequently they have been in touch with the school, the uniformed organisations and the Gellet Society. Local fund raising could involve ‘buy a gabion’

  8. Street name at Pan Knowe. No action yet.

  9. Temporary bus stop has been removed.

  10. Travel on school buses. Secretary had spoken to a colleague of Gillian Hill’s and had expected to hear back from her, but had not. She will contact her again.

  11. Groundswell Rising DVD. Lesley had watched it and passed it on to Lorna.

  12. Drainage at Charles Way. The report of the sewer (drain) camera survey was finally sent by Fife Council to the Secretary earlier today. There are a number of places where flow is badly restricted. Secretary will convene a meeting of Fife Council, Scottish Water, and residents’ representatives to determine what will be done by whom, when, and at whose expense. The work, which Kathleen promised, to remove the bund and divert the new drain into old to access the larger soakaway have yet to be carried out. The field levels survey has not yet been passed to the Estate. Residents reiterated that a firm start date should be set to carry out the necessary diversion of the flow to an eastward direction. Fife Council have replaced the burst sandbags. Following the major felling and clearing operation in the woods, there remains a huge pile of brush wood. This could become a major fire hazard in drier weather.

  13. Planning. Because there were more than five objections to the Bistro planning application, it has to be considered by the planning committee. The application for an extension to 42 Main Street has been refused.

  1. Police Report.

  1. PC Kev Chandler had emailed a brief report to the Secretary, saying that, for our area, there was one record of theft and fifteen calls to the police in total.

  2. Date of the next Community Engagement meeting is on 23rd May in Cairneyhill.

  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Pattiesmuir proposals. Application has been submitted, but not yet registered. General layout and elevations of houses were sent to Secretary who forwarded them to Geoff Cartwright.

  2. Remedial work will be done to the unmade road in Pattiesmuir when men are available.

  1. Giant Hogweed

  1. Lorna had taken photographs of the state of hogweed along the railway and the Lyne Burn last year. She was concerned that some action be taken early this year in order that further seeding is moderated. She and the Secretary had spoken with Emma at the Estate office. Emma said that spraying is underway.

  2. Secretary personally is experimenting with cutting young plants off at the base to see whether this stops them growing a mature flower head. Lorna has been advised about grant funding that might be available to buy appropriate protective kit and training for volunteers in spraying.

  3. Lorna had contacted Tam Mowat at Fife Council who confirmed that the council will be spraying the areas they did last year again this year

  1. Ownership of the railway line

During the autumn, someone had done an very thorough job of clearing hogweed, brambles and scrub from the railway line, rendering it relatively walkable. Secretary has been trying to discover who it was, and whether the ownership of the line has changed. She has drawn a blank on both thus far.

  1. Explorer Scouts

The Explorers are seeking suggestions for appropriate activities for service to the community. The following were suggested: Gardening jobs for folk who need a bit of help, Himalayan Balsam destruction, removing plastic bottles trapped in the Lyne Burn, Small cement job at Pan Knowe, larger footpath job at West Harbour, removal of ivy from tree trunks. Tommy C had made some suggestions relating to skills development. These were forwarded to the leaders.

  1. Quality of Fast Broadband

Brian Clark has offered to collate the problems that folk seem to be encountering with ‘fast broadband’ failing to live up to its name – particularly for those connected through the new box at the entrance to Wellheads. It may well be that there is a problem with the mini DSLAM in this box. In order for Openreach to do something about it, they need to be pestered by the Internet Service Providers, who should pass on complaints from customers. It is important that you report all problems to your ISP. Brian has compiled a detailed explanation of the likely situation. This is attached to these minutes. Also attached is a form for affected users to complete so that Brian can build a bigger picture of where the system is not up to scratch. He has provided his own details to show the sort of information that will be helpful.

  1. Treasurer’s Report. .

Kat had sent Secretary a draft of the accounts. They need to be independently examined before approval at the AGM.

  1. Secretary’s report

  1. West Fife Villages Community Council Forum meets on Thursday 28th April.

  2. Alistair Mutch had written to introduce himself as the new Fife Council Area Service Manager.

  3. Secretary had written to the Brownies to thank them for planting snowdrops at the War memorial. Must remind Fife Council not to weedkill them!

  4. Bill Welsh and Lynn Hoey of Fife Council are both to retire soon, with the inevitable loss of knowledge and skills concerning the functioning of Community Councils. A Beth Flynn is to be Bill’s replacement. There is likely to be a reshuffle in the Inverkeithing Local Office after Lynn’s departure.

  5. Two planning notices attached to Limekilns bus shelter. One is an application to reharl the flats at 14 Red Row. The other is an application to convert The Bruce Arms into three flats. (The owners have had the business on the market for some time, but have not yet found a buyer.)

  1. Cllr Callaghan

  1. Longannet Task force is working on the consequences of the closure. Part of Alistair Mutch’s job will be to draw up an integrated tourism plan for West Fife. Outlander, the American TV series leads to tourism interest.

  2. Not much happening because ‘we are in an election period’.

  1. AOCB

  1. Charlestown residents want to know what has happened to the children’s roundabout on the Green. Secretary will enquire.

Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 31st May 2016. Gellet Hall. 7.30pm AGM, 7.50pm ordinary meeting



Present: Alex Hill, Sue Hamilton, Tommy Cuthbert, Mandy Littlewood, Lesley Scott, Rob Thompson, Lorna Wilkie, Trevor Jones.

In attendance: Kathleen Brewster, Cllr Callaghan, Yasmine Bazazi, Celia Bazazi, Tom Leatherland, Mike Brockie, Ken Reynolds, Ken Kirkpatrick, Andy Sturton, Jim Harrison, Doreen Kempsell, Andy Jones, Shireen Fernie, Raymond Fernie, Colin and Betty Craig, Evelyn Jones, AN Other

Apologies: Peter Curry, Kat Tebbutt, Geoff Cartwright, Cllr Stewart, Terry Salt, Karen Hart

  1. Minutes of the meeting of 23rd February 2016.

The meeting accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Lesley Scott, Seconded: Lorna Wilkie

  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 23rd February 2016.

  1. Junction with A985. Signs have now been fitted with a larger battery and solar panel.

SWARCO technicians said power generation and storage capacity had been inadequate from the start. Signs are still no help to drivers trying to get out of the village.

  1. HGV restriction signs. Nothing yet. Secretary had spoken to Marco Bardelli today.

  2. College roof work making good progress.

  3. IFLI Kilns project. Rory from Historic Scotland has yet to supply a timetable of works.

  4. Potholes in South Row and North Row. Estate is in discussion with Fife Council. Cllr Callaghan said Fife Council budget cuts meant that discretionary jobs such as filling potholes in unadopted roads are no longer likely to be carried out.

  5. Potholes in East Harbour Road have been sorted by the Estate..

  6. Sewage in Lyne Burn. Seems to be OK at the moment.

  7. Limekilns Pier. Meeting is planned for next week.

  8. Street name at Pan Knowe. No action yet.

  9. Parking at The Cairns. Secretary had contacted Jocky Wilson – whose response was along the lines of ‘Haven’t the residents got the sense not to park on the grass?’! He will take a look.

  10. Ivy on Telephone Exchange. BT Facilities Management will deal with it.

  11. Drainage at Charles Way. A site meeting had taken place, as planned, between Ian Jones and Kerry Keilloh of Fife Council, Kathleen Brewster of Broomhall Estate and Ben Bickle of Scottish Water and the Secretary. It had been agreed that the feasibility of engineering an eastward flow of water should be explored. Ian Jones offered in-kind help by way of a professional survey of levels. This has already been carried out. The result will be passed to the Estate who will investigate the digging involved, and locate an appropriate destination for the water. Any works would not be carried out until ‘after harvest’. Residents were concerned that a firm start date should be set. Broomhall Estate also undertook to remove or breach the new bund, which restricts flow into the old drain. They will also divert the new drain into the old soakaway – which has greater capacity. Fife Council still to share the results of their camera survey with us and with Scottish Water. Secretary will speak to Ian Jones who is on holiday till tomorrow. Secretary will also speak again to Kerry about replacement of burst sandbags.

  1. Police Report.

  1. Lesley had attended the Community Engagement Meeting on 21st March. She had mentioned having heard of several cars having been ‘keyed’. There had been no calls to Police 101 about any of them. If police are not informed they cannot establish if there is a pattern of incidents. Only two calls from Limekilns had been recorded in the past three months.

  2. Current police focus is on speeding and work in schools on bullying and open water safety.

  3. Date of the next Community Engagement meeting is on 23rd May in Cairneyhill.

  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Broomhall Estate has filled potholes and improved the surface on Rocks Road.

  2. Core Path diversion has been completed at Broomhall.

  3. Pattiesmuir proposals. Adjustments to layout and elevations of houses will be sent to Secretary in advance of the planning application.

  4. Remedial work will be done to the unmade road in Pattiesmuir when men are available.

  1. Planning.

  1. Bistro expansion proposals 16/0525/FULL. Yasmine expanded on the rationale for the proposed expansion. To make the family business sustainable, they need to alter the business model to expand the hotel side of the business. According to the report commissioned from an independent parking consultant, there was no problem with parking. The immediate neighbours to the west explained that they had engaged a planning consultant to advise them and articulate their reasons for objecting to the proposal. They listed their main concerns to the meeting: Nine new windows closely overlooking their property. These, to be fully-opening without frosting, are in addition to an existing window and would allow strangers to look directly into their house (front and back). There is also a commercial courtyard running the length of the property on their side. It was brought to the attention of the meeting that four other objections were lodged or in the process of being lodged by other nearby residents. There followed a detailed discussion when it became clear that there were very different views held by members of the Community Council. Our response will indicate that there has been discussion of the application, but that we do not agree to object or support as a Community Council. Mandy and Sue will draft a letter referring to the range of views articulated at the meeting. Rob Thompson asked if there was anything to be learned from a previous application for a major development in the conservation area

  2. 42 Main Street proposed extension. 16/00510/FULL. The Community Council agreed that it would not comment on this application.

  3. Foundry Cottage 16/0068/FULL. This interesting application for a new dwelling house was discussed. Someone said it ‘looked like a factory’. That is because the architect has developed the design in the context of the industrial heritage of the site. The position of the proposed house, is marked out with tape on the site.

  1. Treasurer’s Report. .

  1. Balances: BOS £808.08, NW: £1717.52, RBS (Residents for Responsible Development): £1072.76

  2. Fife Council Grant was £632.28

  3. We have spent £298 on general expenditure, and contributed £567.55 to the cost of War Memorial restoration.

  1. Secretary’s report

  1. In light of mention of Scottish Water with reference to Charles Way, Judith Hurst asks us to report the continuing problem of flooding in the lane opposite Academy Square. Whenever we get continuous rain, the lane floods and sewage appears to come up into the lane. (Last summer we even had a tomato plant seeded in the lane!)

  2. Secretary had been asked why the pontoon poles at Limekilns Pier have to be so high. The pontoon anchoring poles are currently too high as when they were sunk in the mud we were not sure of heights etc.  The Club intends to cut these poles to around half a metre above the pier.  This will be done on a high tide to enable us to reach these whilst standing on the pontoons.  Capping pieces will eventually be added to the poles.

Now that the pontoons are in situ we are currently working out the best mooring arrangements for the dinghies and also attempting to level the pontoons when the tide is out.

  1. Secretary had received and circulated a ‘Community Resilience’ newsletter today.

  2. ‘Groundswell Rising’. Secretary had attended a showing of this DVD about the effects of Fracking on the wellbeing of communities in the USA. She had purchased a copy to be passed round Community Council members with a view to a possible public showing. Lesley will watch it first and pass it to Lorna.

  3. Karen Hart had contacted the Secretary earlier this evening. She would like to bring her Explorers to the next Community Council meeting. As part of their award work, they have to do ‘service’ in the community. She and they are looking for ideas. She’s giving us time to think before the next meeting. Suggestions made that they might do gardening for elderly people, remove accumulation of plastic bottles that are caught up by tree branches in the Lyne Burn, work on replacing the coping stones on the wall at the foot of the War Memorial.

  4. It was brought to the attention of the Community Council that one elected member had not attended meetings since April 2015 – until tonight. (Post meeting note: The Fife Scheme for the Establishment of Community Councils states that ‘A casual vacancy shall be deemed to have arisen on the occurrence of … unreasonable non-attendance by an elected member at meetings for a period of six months.’)

  1. Cllr Callaghan

  1. Apologised for her non-attendance at recent meetings following bereavement and ill-health.

  2. She is keeping in touch with Ian Jones over the flooding at Charles Way.

  1. AOCB

  1. Bus Service. Secretary’s relative had been refused travel on the school bus from McKane Park. Lorna said she had also been refused travel on the SC7 at Rosyth Station at 16.11. Secretary will contact Gillian Hill. The matter of return tickets not being valid between the daytime and evening services is apparently a result of a law introduced at bus privatization to stop different operators colluding over fares. Maybe it’s about time they started co-operating!

  2. Lorna reported that the temporary bus stop outside the Sutlery does not seem to serve the intended purpose any more and is becoming an eyesore. Secretary will ask for it to be removed.

  3. Lesley had seen an elderly gentleman trip and fall at a pothole in the pavement near the sewage outfall on Halketts Hall. There are a number of places where the surface of the footway is breaking up. It is helpful if individuals can report these on line through Fife Direct http://www.fifedirect.org.uk/lagan/roadfault/ where it will be logged.

Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 26th April 2016. 7.30pm. Gellet Hall.





Present: Alex Hill, Kat Tebbutt, Sue Hamilton, Callum MacInnes, Lesley Scott, Rob Thompson, Lorna Wilkie, Geoff Cartwright,

In attendance: Yasmine Bazazi, Celia Bazazi, Tom Leatherland, Fiona Thompson, Ken Reynolds, Ken Kirkpatrick, Andy Sturton, Jim Harrison, Dennis Cowan, Alastair Thores

Apologies: Peter Curry, Tommy Cuthbert, Mandy Littlewood, Cllr Stewart, Doreen Kempsell, Terry Salt, Shireen Fernie, Karen Hart

  1. Minutes of the meeting of 26th January 2016.

The meeting accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Geoff Cartwright, Seconded: Lorna Wilkie

  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 26th January 2016.

  1. Junction with A985. Signs reported not to be working this evening. Still no help to drivers trying to get out of the village.

  2. HGV restriction signs. Nothing has been done. Secretary will remind Amey.

  3. High Speed Broadband. It’s here!

  4. College roof work to start next week.

  5. IFLI Kilns project. Rory from Historic Scotland has yet to supply a timetable of works.

  6. Potholes in South Row and North Row. Estate is in discussion with Fife Council..

  7. West Fife Villages Community Council Forum. Organising meetings on Unconventional Gas and Longannet Closure on 24th and 25th February respectively.

  8. New seat at War Memorial. Glasdon Phoenix seat now installed by Fife Council (so no VAT to pay) for a total cost, including slabs, of £400. Church collection attracted Gift Aid and is now £344. Community Council will pay the balance of £56. Church will affix a plaque.

  9. Sewage in Lyne Burn. Helen Sweeney of SEPA had provided comprehensive feedback, following Lorna’s report of sewage debris in the burn. See Appendix 1.

  10. Limekilns Pier. There had been a good turnout at the meeting on 3rd February. The Steering Group is now working to harness the voluntary manpower that has been forthcoming.

  11. Bus Service. Secretary has not yet contacted Gillian Hill.

  12. Street name at Pan Knowe. Secretary has requested a new street name sign.

  13. Ivy on toilet building. This was swiftly removed by Fife Council.

  14. Community Transport and Credit Union for West Fife Villages. Secretary had circulated the information provided by Councillor Stewart

  1. Police Report. None received by Secretary. Dates of community Engagement Meetings in Limekilns are: 21st March, 18th July, 21st November. Nothing to report to police, apart from a ‘keying’ of a car in South Loanhead.

  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Pattiesmuir proposals. Adjustments to layout and elevations will be circulated in advance of the planning application. There are no plans for the Piggery – other than to make it more secure.

  2. In the next two weeks, remedial work will be done the unmade road in Pattiesmuir, weather permitting,

  3. Potholes at East Harbour. Works have been instructed.

  4. Shooting season has ended.

  5. Lorna reported that on Monday 25th January at about 4pm, there had been men with guns getting out of a vehicle parked at The Cairns and crossing the road into the woodland. Factor said they were unlikely to be associated with Estate shoots. He will investigate.

  1. Other Planning.

  1. Bistro proposed extension / expansion. Yasmine explained that the business model needed to be adjusted in anticipation of her parents’ retirement. To this end, they are proposing to build a 3-storey extension at the back to accommodate 11 more bedrooms – to make a total of 17. The plan is to accommodate working people Monday – Friday and tourists at weekends. The restaurant would be reduced in size. Yasmine had already held a meeting with immediate neighbours in Main Street. She did not have a definite date for submission of the plans, but when they go on line, Secretary will circulate them. There had been substantial felling of trees on Broomhall land to the rear of the Bistro because roots were causing damp in the walls which abut the banking. Secretary reported that three residents of Main Street had already contacted her to voice concern about the scale of the proposed development and its possible impact – particularly with reference to parking.

  2. 11 Main Street. Proposed alterations including removing a downpipe and replacing a window. No problem.

  3. 42 Main Street. New plans for extension at the eastern end of the property to be submitted imminently. Design now incorporates an ‘interesting’ structure of oak frame and lots of glass. Members were not sure how appropriate this would be in the Conservation Area.

  1. Drainage at Charles Way

  1. Broomhall Estate had, last week, taken action to modify the drainage from the field. A new drain was dug, with the intention of draining the water through the wood. However, a barrier of rock was encountered so that any soakaway is now totally inadequate, and water is bubbling out of it like a spring and spilling onto the road more than ever. Residents expressed their deep concern about this deteriorating situation. Water is emerging in all sorts of unusual places, and it is likely that the roadbed is now acting as the soakaway

  2. Also last week, the camera survey (commissioned by Fife Council) of all the surface water drains on the Muir Homes Estate had been carried out. A verbal report following this very thorough inspection identifies some minor things which require attention. These would not be an issue without the huge volume of run-off of the field. The written report will be made available to us when it is published.

  3. Secretary has been in touch with Scottish Water, Fife Council Transportation, and Broomhall Estate on the subject of holding a round table discussion, to find a creative solution (not to apportion blame!).

  4. A site meeting is planned for Thursday next week between Ian Jones of Fife Council, Kathleen Brewster of Broomhall Estate and John Hutcheson, the farming contractor.

  5. Ian Jones has asked that the Secretary be the conduit for correspondence.

  6. Ken Kirkpatrick will draft a letter of concern from the residents for the Secretary to forward to the relevant authorities.

  1. Treasurer’s Report. .

  1. Balances: BOS £964.08, NW: £1717.52, RBS (Residents for Responsible Development): £1072.76

  2. Fife Council Grant was £632.28

  3. We have spent £142 on general expenditure, and contributed £567.55 to the cost of War Memorial restoration.

  1. Secretary’s report

  1. Pothole as you enter Limekilns. This has now been dealt with by Fife Council.

  2. Gas main at South Loanhead. Works to replace a piece of gas main caused traffic disruption for several days. Secretary now has local contact for SGN.

  3. Parking at The Cairns. The heavy rain has caused disruption to the new surface. Main problems are arising from people who still insist on parking on the grass! Secretary will contact Jocky Wilson to see if he has any suggestions.

  4. Gritting at Douglas Bank. Resident at Douglas Bank Cemetery lodge has asked that the road to the cemetery be included in the gritting of Pattiesmuir. Secretary has passed the request to Fife Council.

  5. Ivy on Telephone Exchange. Secretary had alerted BT Facilities Management to the considerable growth of ivy on the western wall of the Telephone Exchange.

  6. Beryl Leatherland has been reappointed to the Fife Access Forum.

  7. Secretary had circulated information about Healthgift grants.

  1. AOCB

  1. There have been some very loud noises coming, apparently, from the dockyard. Suze Anderson has the contact details for the people to contact if it happens again.

Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 29th March 2016. 7.30pm. Gellet Hall.

Appendix 1 Text of letter from SEPA

‘Scottish Water employed a contractor to carry out a much needed clean up at Lyne Burn, I was out on Monday and agree that it is much improved but there are still some bits of sewage debris lying around which should have been cleaned up. However the problem is that there is so much SRD (sewage related debris) swirling about the Forth that it is hard to say whether this has been washed up since the litter pick or not. If you ever see sewage debris in the burn that could warrant a clean up, by all means inform SEPA, but you can also lodge a direct complaint with Scottish Water on their customer service line – 0800 0778 778, they will send out a site operative to check the area and clean it up if required.

The known SRD hotspots around the Forth are; Torryburn, Crombie Point, Charlestown (Lyne Burn), Limekilns, Dalgety Bay, Pathhead Sands, Cramond, Blackness & Bo’ness, however the good news is that these are being investigated under a new initiative called the ‘Forth Strategic Study’ which is being led by Scottish Water, this should help us gain an understanding of the cause of the SRD and the effect on the Forth Estuary. The development of a hydrodynamic model will also inform us about SRD movements in the Estuary.

In terms of the recent increase in tanker traffic through the villages, Scottish Water have had a few problems at the sewage works recently. The first occurred on 18th Jan when diffusers in both of the aeration tanks had to be repaired, each tank had to be emptied in order to access the damaged parts and the effluent will have been tankered off site to another STW (probably Dunfermline) for treatment. The repair was completed and both aeration tanks were re-instated by 10th Feb. 

We were then informed that the returned activated sludge (RAS) pumps were choked, hence sludge will have been tankered off site to be treated/re-used at another STW, the choke was cleared on 17th Feb. The Ironmill Bay STW should still have capacity and you shouldn’t see tankers as frequently now the repair work has been done.’





Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Tommy Cuthbert, Callum MacInnes, Lesley Scott, Rob Thompson, Lorna Wilkie, Geoff Cartwright, Mandy Littlewood,

In attendance: Kathleen Brewster, Cllr Stewart Phil Whetton, Mike Brockie, Doreen Kempsell, Karen Grant, Ken Reynolds, Moray Gilmour

Apologies: Alex Hill, Kat Tebbutt, Cllr Callaghan

  1. Minutes of the meeting of 24th November 2015.

The meeting accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Peter Curry, Seconded: Lesley Scott

  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 24th November 2015.

  1. Junction with A985. Signs were so unreliable at the beginning of December that they switched them off altogether (just when we started getting all the traffic diverted from the closed bridge!) SWARCO technicians have, only two days ago, attended to the system, and it appears to be working as per its design now. The signs are illuminated for long periods because there is so much turning traffic. Will the battery be recharged fast enough?

  2. HGV restriction signs. Nothing has been done. Secretary will remind Amey.

  3. High Speed Broadband. Planning permission for cabinet not required because it is outwith the Conservation Area. As promised, Openreach started work on installation on 19th January. This will take about two weeks. Time before providers will accept applications in indeterminate. It could be weeks or months.

  4. College roof work yet to start. Materials are in hand, but need better weather.

  5. IFLI Kilns project. Rory from Historic Scotland has promised to supply a timetable of works by the end of February.

  6. Potholes in South Row and North Row. Estate is in discussion with Fife Council..

  7. Woodland at West Road, Charlestown. Felling of mainly sycamore has been undertaken. Replanting with native hardwoods will follow. Kathleen will pass on our request that new trees be planted in areas currently used by uncouth campers, and that a potential pathway be left for local walkers who can be eyes and ears for the Estate

  8. West Fife Villages Community Council Forum. Has been given £1000 in running costs. Next meeting on 25th February. Maybe a presentation by Planning Democracy about rights of appeal.

  9. Wreath removal. Lesley will take away old wreaths in advance of Remembrance Sunday each year.

  10. Telephone Kiosks. BT will not hold our application for adoption as they propose to dispose of redundant boxes (and apply for delisting listed ones). The meeting agreed that we would not progress our application.

  11. War memorial. Grant had been released. Cheque for £3160 had been paid to Powderhall. The church has agreed that the £275 collected in honour of Norman and Karen’s 25th anniversary shall be put towards a new bench seat at the war memorial. If it’s purchased through the council we don’t have to pay VAT. Rob says the site of the existing seat is subject to flooding.

  1. Police Report. None received by Secretary. Cllr Stewart provided a copy. Dates of community Engagement Meetings in Limekilns are: 21st March, 18th July, 21st November. Nothing to report to police. Doreen still concerned about goings on in the car park at the turning circle.

  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Pattiesmuir proposals. There had been a special additional Community Council meeting in Pattiesmuir on 2nd December dedicated to this subject. If any development were to happen, residents agreed that there should be an improvement in amenity for all who live there. They are seeking signs of willingness by the Estate to acknowledge this. The issues on which the Estate could take early action are improving the unmade road, working with villagers to find a means of provision of parking for the flats, and improving visibility now at Kilberry Cottage by moving the fence.

  2. The drain at the war memorial steps has been jetted and is now flowing freely.

  3. The ‘Christmas Tree Group’ are contemplating the planting of a permanent tree on the Green. Who needs to be asked? Kathleen will ask the Estate. Council might have a view about mowing. Need to take care it doesn’t preclude the use of the whole Green for erection of a marquee etc.

  1. Drainage at Charles Way

  1. Torrential rain has, once again caused problems at Charles Way and Havens Edge where the low lying properties are vulnerable. French drain and ‘soakaway’ which were renewed in November 2013 have insufficient capacity for the recent levels of rainfall. Water overflows onto the road which is not properly served by gullies and surface water drains.

  2. Three parties, Scottish Water, Fife Council Transportation, and Broomhall Estate need to have a round table discussion. Kathleen said only Broomhall had taken any action on the previous occasion.

  1. Sewage in the Lyne Burn.

  1. Lorna has observed a large amount of sanitary waste on the shore where the Lyne Burn reaches the sea and has been in contact with the various agencies.

  2. She had sent photos to SEPA and spoken to Helen Sweeney - Environmental Protection Officer at SEPA who has now told Ian Burnett, Scottish Water Regional Manager that Scottish Water have until February 12th to do a litter pick all down the burn and on the beach, and to identify the two places where the spill is coming from. SW meticulously monitor and test the official outflow, but do not seem to know when storm water spills happen.

  3. The Dunfermline Press has been very good and put an article on-line last week. It will be in the paper copy this week.

  1. Limekilns Pier

Phil Whetton reported that the steering group has leafleted both villages giving the date of the first meeting of interested persons in the Church Hall on Wednesday 3rd February. .

  1. Treasurer’s Report. .

  1. RBS has at last managed to get two signatories on the RRD account and to change the correspondence address from Suze Anderson to Kat Tebbutt.

  2. Peter reported that a club with he is involved is still having endless trouble with HBOS. Mike Brockie reported that Forth Cruising Club is very happy since their account was moved to the Clydesdale Bank.

  1. Secretary’s report

  1. Letter from David Mundell, Scottish Secretary, telling us about the devolution of power in the Scotland Bill.

  2. CC Insurance Renewal. Secretary has a form to fill in to renew our Zurich Insurance which is paid by Fife Council

  3. Closure of Butcher’s shop. Retiral of John and Bobby. It appears that loyal customers are making their own individual arrangements to mark the occasion. The Community Council will send a card, acknowledging the many years that the butchery service has been carried out in the village, thanking them for their part in it and wishing them well in their retirement.

  4. Ivy growing on the toilet building. An occasional visitor to Charlestown had emailed the Secretary to report that ivy was growing up to the eves and in through the doorway of the Ladies toilet. Secretary has reported it.

  5. Queen’s Hall Committee AGM, 4th February 7pm.

  6. Bus service during holiday period. Boxing Day and 2nd January both fell on a Saturday in 2015. This caused some confusion as to what service was available or, indeed, any service. There were none. Clear communication is essential. There is also a worrying issue about the validity of return tickets between the subsidised service and the Stagecoach service. Commissioners of services should address the situation where there are multiple suppliers for what is effectively a single service. Secretary will speak to Gillian Hall.

  7. Road Safety Play 3rd Feb. This production is for all ages to raise awareness of road safety

  8. Street sign at Pan Knowe. Someone on Facebook has rued the loss of the Pan Knowe street sign at the far end of Red Row. Secretary will request a replacement.

  1. Councillor Stewart.

  1. Fife Council draft budget is to be debated by the full council on 11th February. There is an ongoing public consultation in which people are encouraged to participate. https://www.fifedirect.org.uk/formFinder/index.cfm?fuseaction=form.Question&Form_id=54748C73-C00F-E27A-A022D3EEEE06537B

  2. Education and Social care are making massive demands on resources. There are massively increased costs in ‘looked after’ children and child protection.

  3. Ash Lagoon Liaison Committee has been resurrected and has met. Apart from decommissioning and reuse of power station site, there is also a need for the fate of the ash lagoons to be determined. We have not yet been invited. Cllr Stewart will ask them to add us to the circulation list.

  4. A community transport vehicle has been procured for West Fife villages. Cllr Stewart will ask Aileen Aitken to send us the details of its availability and management.

  5. Aileen is also overseeing the establishment of a Credit Union in West Fife and will be asked to send us details.

  1. AOCB


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 23rd February 2016. 7.30pm. Gellet Hall.



Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Tommy Cuthbert, Callum MacInnes, Lesley Scott, Rob Thompson, Kat Tebbutt,

In attendance: Kathleen Brewster, Craig Lindsay, Jockie Wilson, Colin and Betty Craig, Phil Whetton, Peter Wilson (for item 8)

Apologies: Alex Hill, Mandy Littlewood, Lorna Wilkie, Trevor Jones, Geoff Cartwright, Cllr Callaghan

  1. Minutes of the meeting of 27th October 2015.

The meeting accepted the minutes as a true record. (Doubts expressed about the record of the exchanges with Transport Scotland and Amey are dealt with at 1(a) below). Proposed: Lesley Scott, Seconded: Kat Tebbutt

  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 27th October 2015.

  1. Junction with A985. Secretary had received an electronic copy of the survey report late this afternoon. She will circulate it to CC members. There was some discussion as to whether the Secretary’s minute of the meeting fully represented the answers provided by the team from Transport Scotland and Amey and the undertakings they made to carry out further investigation. Secretary amended the minute accordingly. There had been a queue of 17 vehicles one morning this week. Signs are not working consistently and drivers are therefore still confused.

  2. Broadband. Cause of the delay has been clarified. Estate now has signed wayleave request for location of a cabinet at The Wellheads. Now has to go through planning process.

  3. Airport flight path plans. There had been no response to Alex’s post on Facebook. Not a big issue for most residents.

  4. Notices requesting that nappies be properly bagged have been posted in the play park. Thanks, Rob.

  5. 20mph in Pattiesmuir. May be a good idea to see what kind of road construction may be planned before going for a Traffic Order.

  6. College roof. Work will start in first week of December.

  7. IFLI Kilns project. Still await a timetable of works from Historic Scotland.

  8. Very bad potholes appearing in South Row and North Row need attention from the Estate.

  9. Woodland at West Road, Charlestown. Still need to discussion of residents’ suggestions with the Estate.

  10. Pattiesmuir proposals. The Estate’s Planning Agent, Andrew McCafferty, had mounted an exhibition and consultation on the Estate’s proposal for additional housing in Pattiesmuir on 9th of November at the College. There will be a special additional Community Council meeting in Pattiesmuir on 2nd December dedicated to this subject.

  11. Shooting. Lead shot had, once again, been showered into gardens at Halketts Hall. Kathleen will speak to the Gamekeeper.

  12. Eight people had attended the visit to Stirling Developments’ Calderwood housing development. (Stirling Developments are in line to manage the development of the Broomhall site.)

  1. Police Report. None received. Nothing to report.

  1. War memorial.

  1. Sword was installed on 7th November. Re dedication ceremony went ahead as planned on 8th November – a well-orchestrated and moving event. Thanks to Rob and all involved in achieving this.

  2. Disappointing that, once again, last year’s wreaths had been moved aside, but not taken off the site. Secretary is investigating.

  3. Completion form, photographs, and copies of the three invoices (for £120, £640, and £2400 have been sent to the Centenary Memorials Restoration Fund. Grant should now be released.

  4. The talk with slides in the Queen’s Hall on 5th November was very well received and raised £250 in donations. This will make up the shortfall.

  5. Derek from Powderhall will deal with applying ‘Smartwater’ security.

  6. Information display board at ‘ground level’ still under consideration.

  7. West Fife Rotary interested in providing funding for ‘further work’.

  8. Need to investigate designs and materials for appropriate treatment of the area around the war memorial. Jockie Wilson is happy to offer advice on appropriate materials.

  9. If the church might be funding a new seat, Floral Displays Group will be putting in an order with suppliers, and we could share the delivery costs.

  1. Planning

  1. Scottish Government Planning Review. Responses due by 1st December.


  1. Pierhead House, Limekilns. Application to form one dwelling from two flats, build a sun room, and form a balcony at the seaward end of the building. Secretary thought the prominence of this property should merit consideration by the Community Council as a statutory consultee. There was no agreement that this should be the case.

  2. Demolition at The Wellheads. The planning application for this work was submitted in August 2014. A single story wing is to be replaced with a two story extension.

  1. Community Engagement Group

Kat reported that the group had met last night and agreed the following next steps. Most are issues arising from the survey

  1. Village link - mini survey for ideas on how to use the Phone box

  2. College Club visit - Talk to Pat Gilmour about coming along one afternoon to have a visit/presentation/chat.

  3. The condition of roads and pavements was highlighted as an issue. Will anyone from the Council talk to us about when/how they make decisions about repairs? Sadly, Fife Council are strapped for cash, and can only tell us what they can’t do!

  4. The condition of local landmarks - Limekilns Pier. Can we invite Iain C/Alex Hill to do a slot at the CC on their plans? See next item!

  5. What does the CC do? Open information session/Q&A. 

All other ideas gratefully received. Another topic not listed above is the bus routes issue,

which was important. Do we know anything about ‘Dial a Bus’ and where it operates?. Needs investigation.

  1. Limekilns Pier

  1. Phil Whetton explained how a steering group of individuals has got together to explore the feasibility of repairing Limekilns Pier for Lord Elgin. They have just published a web site www.limekilnspier.org which invites people to register their interest in supporting the project in one or more of the many ways that are described.

  1. Treasurer’s Report. .

  1. Like RBS, Nationwide have no record of receiving our mandate for change of signatories. The meeting approved the proposal that we complete another mandate to confirm the addition of Alex Hill and Kat Tebbutt as signatories to that as well.

  1. Secretary’s report

  1. Leaflet had been circulated about ‘Your Parliament’ event at Carnegie Conference Centre on 5th December.

  2. Application for funding from West Fife Common Good Fund for model of the Forth Bridge. Peter Wilson was welcomed to the meeting and spoke of his involvement with Rosyth Cruise welcome project and explained the reasons for commissioning the model. The grant is applied for to support the purchase of a scale working model of the Forth Bridge, (recently awarded UNESCO World Heritage status), as part of wider funding of the Forth Bridges Cruise Project. The model costs £7500 (excluding VAT) and a display/carriage case £1020 excl VAT). The Model is being constructed by Ramsay Model Makers of Edinburgh. The model will be initially be used to promote the area to cruise ship itinerary planners, to increase the number of visitors to Dunfermline and West Fife. The Cruise Project has been in existence since 2011, resulting in a significant increase in visitor numbers to West Fife. Over 4000 passengers have been transported to Dunfermline and North Queensferry through funding provided to the Project. Local taxi drivers, tour operators, hotels, restaurants and shops have all benefitted directly from this increase in business. Feedback from visitor attractions has been that visitor numbers have increased throughout the year, due to the increase in profile which West Fife has gained from the Cruise Project. The acquisition of the model will allow further international marketing to be undertaken. The model will also be available for display at local exhibition spaces, and discussions have been entered into with Fife Cultural Trust, the Carnegie Birthplace Museum, and the recently opened Fire Station Creative Arts Centre, each of whom is keen to build a display into their planning calendar. Collectively – the economic benefit through tourism and the local interest through adding content to local cultural interest both provide a material addition to the Common Good of West Fife. The meeting thanked Peter for his time and expressed appreciation for all the work done by the Rosyth Cruise project

  1. Councillor Slot. No Councillor present.

  1. AOCB

  1. Church Bazaar on the 28th November will be held in the Church and its halls, rather than in the Queen’s Hall.

Date of Next Meetings: Pattiesmuir meeting on Weds 2nd December at the College. Next full meeting onTuesday 28th January 2016. 7.30pm. Gellet Hall.



Present: Alex Hill, Sue Hamilton, Callum MacInnes, Mandy Littlewood, Lesley Scott, Rob Thompson, Kat Tebbutt, Lorna Wilkie,

In attendance: Marco Bardelli and Jamie Carson (from Transport Scotland), Jim Reid (from Amey), Cllr Callaghan (until 8.15pm), Charlie Reid Thomas, Barbara McKenzie, Craig Lindsay, Brian Clark, Tom Leatherland, Doreen Kempsell, Colin and Betty Craig, Phil and Nan Whetton, Mike Brockie, Linda MacPhee, Mike and Dorothy Warren, Malcolm Hamilton.

Apologies: Cllr Stewart, Peter Curry, Tommy Cuthbert, Trevor Jones, Geoff Cartwright,

  1. Welcome.

The meeting commenced at 7pm to receive feedback on the camera survey carried out in June by Amey on behalf Transport Scotland. The Chairman welcomed Messrs Bardelli, Carson and Reid.

  1. The survey had been carried out between 7am and 9pm from Tuesday 23rd June to Saturday 27th June.

  2. The main road carries 8000 vehicles in each direction per day while 1500 exit from Limekilns. 1000 of these turn right. The footage was of vehicles leaving and entering the junction.

  3. It was analysed for ’conflicts’ in four categories: light breaking, heavy breaking, near misses, and ‘anything else’. “There were no significant conflicts”.

  4. The maximum queue length was 7 cars. The maximum waiting time was two minutes.

  5. Was there analysis of braking on the main road? ‘No’.

  6. Was there analysis of speed on the main road? ‘No, but it would be possible to run it again for that’. This is a major issue.

  7. Did they record how often vehicles crossed the double white line onto the hatched area? ‘No, but it might be possible to re-run the analysis for this factor’. This is a major issue.

  8. There was general agreement among villagers that the hazard of turning right out of the village is exacerbated by a number of factors: speeding on the main road, the shortness of the slip road to turn into Limekilns from the east, a tendency for drivers a) to overtake vehicles that are slowing to enter the slip road and b) consequently to cross the double white line onto the hatched area. This latter aspect adds to the vulnerability of vehicles waiting to turn right into the village. The view for drivers waiting to turn right out of the village, of such rogue overtaking vehicle, is blocked by any vehicles in the slip road. (Technology can monitor speeds, and queue lengths, but not drivers’ stress levels and blood pressure!)

  9. We were told that the total spend so far on the variable signs, the new surface, and the new road markings has been £90,000. If our junction should ever get high enough up the ‘dangerous’ list to be eligible for major engineered alterations to layout, we are talking about a spend of more like £250.000. (In that unlikely event, the likely choice by the engineering experts would be a wider carriageway with a protected central reservation.)

  10. Roundabouts only work where there are similar traffic flows from each arm of the junction. Otherwise the ‘main’ road would still always have priority over a minor road.

  11. Seems that we can’t have traffic lights, because they ‘are not used in rural locations’. (This statement is at odds with the traffic lights at the junction between Inverkeithing High School and Hillend.)

  12. Part time traffic lights? ‘They’re only used to feed traffic onto motorway slip roads’. (No reason given for this)

  13. Street lighting? ‘We don’t do street lights in rural locations’. (No reason given for this.)

  14. Paint the kerbs white so that the unexpected geometry of the curve is clearer. ‘If we painted them, the paint would soon wear off and they would have to be repainted’ No explanation why paint quality could not be better, or the cost of an occasional repaint would be prohibitive)

  15. Eastbound right turn arrows position is misleading – can either lure one into turning right before the traffic island, or cause you to turn too late and hit the kerb lining the slip road. These will be checked.

  16. Marco said he ‘has not forgotten our request for ‘No HGV’ signs at Pattiesmuir and the Charlestown junction’.

  17. A resident said that ‘Getting out of Pattiesmuir is not only difficult, it’s virtually impossible!’

This part of the meeting ended at 8pm. The gentlemen were thanked for attending

There was no further discussion of the topic after they had left.

  1. Minutes of the meeting of 29th September 2015.

The meeting accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Lesley Scott, Seconded: Callum MacInnes.

  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 29th September 2015.

  1. Broadband. Charlie confirmed that the Estate is responding to an Openreach wayleave request for the Wellheads.

  2. Airport flight path plans. Beryl Leatherland had written to Alex. He will ask on the CC Facebook page what changes residents had observed during the period of the trial. A major campaign continues in West Lothian where some communities are severely affected.

  3. 50mph Signs. The signs have been removed. Secretary had thanked Scott Blyth.

  4. Rob reported that notices requesting that nappies be properly bagged have not yet been produced. Kat to speak to park people about more closed-top bins.

  5. 20mph in Pattiesmuir. Barbara thinks this should be progressed. Secretary will contact Scott Blyth.

  6. Fairer Scotland Card Game. Rob and some friends had tried it. Fun for a bit, but no great revelations or disagreements.

  1. Police Report. None received. Nothing to report to Police.

  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Pattiesmuir unmade road. Worst potholes have been filled. Slow sign has been erected.

  2. College roof. Tendering process is still ongoing. CRT says they are ‘looking to save money by using Estate labour and recycled materials.’ Barbara said that ‘the College Club are keen to get back to their home base, members having been unsettled by the temporary move to the Church Hall’. CRT anticipates that there will be positive news by the end of November.

  3. IFLI Kilns project. Still await a timetable of works from Historic Scotland.

  4. Very bad potholes appearing in South Row and North Row. They are not the responsibility of Fife Council, because these roads are not adopted.

  5. Woodland at West Road, Charlestown. More discussion with the Estate of residents’ suggestions required.

  6. Shooting season starts on Thursday 29th. Shoots will continue on Fridays thereafter until the end of January. Kat reminded CRT that the ‘drive’ behind Halketts Hall should not be used unless there is wind from the south west.

  7. The Estate’s Planning Agent, Andrew McCafferty, is mounting an exhibition and consultation on the Estate’s proposal for additional housing in Pattiesmuir from 2.30 – 7.30pm on Monday 9th of November at the College. A notice to this effect has been posted in the College window. Barbara asked that the Estate deliver a leaflet about the consultation to every property in Pattiesmuir. Secretary asked that a copy of the notice be sent to her.

  1. War memorial.

  1. A press release has confirmed that funding has, as promised, been granted from the Centenary Memorials Restoration Fund. Not clear when we will receive it so that we can pay Powderhall Forge.

  2. Craig and colleagues will give a talk with slides in the Queen’s Hall on 5th November.

  3. The sword will be attached to the war memorial between the 6th and 8th of November. It will be dedicated at the Remembrance ceremony on the 8th.

  4. The costs and design of a display board at ‘ground level’ are being discussed. It is hoped that this can be in place by 2018. Everyone to look out for examples of interpretation boards that we like to see what sort of design to go for.  Craig may know someone who can supply artwork.  There is currently no funding / budget for interpretation.

  1. Planning

  1. Scottish Government Planning Review. Secretary will draft a CC response to be discussed at the next meeting. In the meantime it would be helpful if members look at the issues they are considering at this link.

http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Built-Environment/planning/Review-of-Planning/documents Responses are required by 1st December.

  1. ‘Your Place, Your Views’, Fife Council consultation Secretary read the response she had written as Secretary of the Community Council.

  2. Visit to Stirling Developments’ Calderwood housing development near Livingston. Saturday 21st November to be shown round by Neil Beswick, who works for Stirling Developments and used to live in Limekilns.

  1. Community Engagement Group.

Nothing to report

  1. Treasurer’s Report. .

  1. Bank of Scotland is still not sending out statements on a regular basis.

  2. RBS (holds Residents for Responsible Development account) deny that they ever received our new mandate form sent in May. The meeting approved the proposal that we complete another mandate to confirm the addition of Alex Hill and and Kat Tebbutt as signatories.

  1. Secretary’s report

Secretary will complete Bill Welsh’s questionnaire, which has been circulated to members and pass on the requests for training as articulated at this meeting.

  1. Councillor Callaghan. Cllr Callaghan had left the meeting earlier..

  1. AOCB

  1. Funding from the Esh Charitable Trust. Secretary had circulated information about this source of funds earlier today. Rob suggested that it might be good to put in an application for the allotments project. He would have a look at the paperwork.

  2. Phil Whetton thanked the public and neighbours for their forbearance during the annual craning out operation. The crane operator had, in error, taken the route along Brucehaven Road – which proved challenging!

  3. This week, Norman and Karen Grant have celebrated 25 years as minister and minister’s wife in this parish. A collection is being made towards a celebratory gift, and they have expressed a desire that this be something for the community, rather than for them. Ideas please.

Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 24th November 2015. 7.30pm. Gellet Hall.





Present: Sue Hamilton, Callum MacInnes, Lesley Scott, Rob Thompson, Lorna Wilkie,

In attendance: Kathleen Brewster, Cllr Callaghan, Cllr Stewart, (from item 10), Craig Lindsay, Tom Leatherland, Doreen Kempsell, Anne Aldridge, Colin and Betty Craig,

Apologies: Alex Hill, Peter Curry, Tommy Cuthbert, Kat Tebbutt, Geoff Cartwright, Mandy Littlewood,

  1. Welcome. Lorna Wilkie, who lives at The Cairns in Charlestown, was welcomed as a new member of the Community Council.

  1. Minutes of the meeting of 25th August 2015.

The meeting accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Lesley Scott, Seconded: Callum MacInnes. Rob had produced a spreadsheet of action points from the meeting which was very helpful

  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 25th August 2015.

  1. Junction with A985. Still no formal results from the camera survey. Amey and Transport Scotland have promised to present the results to the Community Council. Secretary had requested that full technical detail is included. (No move on the painted kerbs or the return of the missing bollard.)

  2. Mobile Post Office service. No news.

  3. Outdoor Fitness. No news.

  4. Unsuitable for HGVs’ signs. Secretary had passed this request directly to Marco Bardelli of Transport Scotland.

  5. Broadband. Kathleen is following up a wayleave request which she has for the Wellheads..

  6. Airport flight path plans. The trial has caused a lot of grief in the Broxburn / Uphall areas of West Lothian. Craig had read in the press that the trial was to be stopped early to evaluate the evident impact on communities.

  7. Rosyth Churchyard. Bereavement Services had done an excellent job in removing the collapsed fence and erecting a post and rail fence which has a gap for a gate, but no gate yet. The trees whose roots were threatening the foundations of the church building have been cut down and their stumps treated. Doreen had apologised to a couple who had planted a small tree, which had been cut down in the process.

  8. 50mph Signs. A resident had contacted Traffic Management to express her concern that the prominent 50mph signs might encourage drivers to speed up towards the brow of the hill when, in fact they were approaching a 20mph area and the school with its accompanying hazards. She was told that the Community Council had approved the plan. Secretary wrote to remind Traffic Management that the CC had not objected, but that the plans had given no indication that prominent post signs would be erected. (Brankholm Brae has its 40 signs painted on the road.) Traffic Management have agreed to remove the prominent sign and relocate it onto the ‘Limekilns’ sign.

  9. Fife Council is content for us to put notices on the bins, asking that nappies be bagged and sealed. Rob will progress this action.

  10. Telephone Kiosk adoption. No progress.

  11. Boundary Commission. Date for submissions on the final proposal is 22nd October. Meeting agreed that we are content to be included in the Rosyth ward. This would not preclude us from joining in any activity with West Fife Villages Community Councils.

  1. Police Report.

  1. The Community Engagement meeting this evening it was reported that, In the past two months, there had been 113 calls to the police in the area which includes Cairneyhill and Crombie. Crimes recorded were one theft in Charlestown, one theft in Pattiesmuir and one ‘theft by finding’ in Limekilns.

  2. The issue which is still causing greatest concern in the villages is the Range Rover which is often parked opposite the entrance to Brucehaven Road, causing a real hazard to all users of the junctions at this location.

  3. Police are doing work in the local schools on open water safety and internet safety.

  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Pattiesmuir unmade road. Jim McDonald still to fill potholes that have developed.

  2. College roof. Tendering process is still ongoing.

  3. IFLI (Inner Forth Landscape Initiative) Kilns project. Scrub clearance has commenced. Still await a timetable of works from Historic Scotland.

  4. Drone survey of shoreline has been carried out. Operators were alerting any members of the public that filming was happening.

  5. There had been an incident of vandalism to pheasant pens on the Estate.

  6. Very bad potholes appearing in South Row. North row pothole still needs proper attention.

  7. Woodland at West Road, Charlestown. This woodland is not particularly ‘well-groomed’, but local residents appreciate the amenity it provides for local walking and the fact that it is full of wildlife. Residents who take regular walks there are best placed to spot when careless and opportunistic people from elsewhere use it for their own recreational purposes and leave unsightly litter and dangerous broken glass behind. It is local residents who clear up this mess, as they also do in other woodland such as at Windylaw. Residents suggest that some informal pathways could be cleared and signs erected to indicate to uncouth youth that it was a place which was cared for, rather than waste ground about which no-one was bothered. Perhaps such paths might be cleared when the planned felling is carried out. Local residents are the Estate’s best allies in this situation.

  1. War memorial.

  1. Sword is at finally assembly stage and almost ready to be installed. Probably best to leave installation until nearer the rededication which will be in association with the Remembrance service on the 8th of November. (Rob, Norman Grant and Craig Lindsay will co-ordinate in association with Lord Elgin and/or Charles Bruce.) Rob will sign the completion certificate which will allow the grant to be released. Meeting agreed that Community Council could release funds for short term bridging finance if required.

  2. The research carried out by Diana Douglas and others has revealed information about 32 of the 33 men named on the memorial. Craig is collating the information digitally.

  3. The meeting agreed that a display board at ‘ground level’ should be commissioned to provide a resume of the information. Secretary suggested that funding for such a project is likely to be fairly easy to access and emphasized that good design is essential.

  4. Lorna said that she was, as part of her job, in the process of commissioning similar boards, and would have information about cost of design, production and installation.

  5. Craig offered to give a talk (perhaps in the Queen’s Hall) about the development of the idea of a replacement sword and the manufacturing process, as well as some of the information about the men whose names are on the memorial. It was agreed that this would be a useful means of sharing the information more widely, and possibly also a means of raising funds towards the display board.

  1. Planning

  1. South East Scotland Strategic Plan. Secretary had attended the event for CCs. It does make some sort of sense for local authorities to work together with their neighbours. She had hoped to share her response with the CC, but difficult to do when it had to be completed on line. She had attended a further event called ‘SESPlan and Communities’.

  2. The Scottish Government has announced a ‘Planning Review’ to be carried out this autumn. This could be the opportunity to incorporate an ‘Equal Right of Appeal’ – something for which Planning Democracy is campaigning.

  3. ‘Your Place, Your Views’. Fife Council is consulting individuals and communities on the planning process. The consultation ends on 23rd October. Secretary has circulated the details to the email contact list. Individuals are encouraged to respond. She apologised for not having brought a copy to the meeting.

  4. CC members have been invited, by Peter Stirling, to visit Stirling Developments’ Calderwood housing development near Livingston. (Stirling Developments are set to be the developers of the ‘Broomhall’ development site south of Dunfermline.) Date of visit still to be arranged.

  1. West Fife Villages Community Council Forum.

Rob had attended the AGM in Tommy’s place. It is proposed that future meetings will be held at quarterly intervals, each focussing on an issue that is common to all the Community Councils.

  1. Community Engagement Group.

  1. Group had met on 14th September.

  2. Discussed how to communicate with those who are not digitally engaged. Will write a piece for next Village Link. Rob volunteered to summarise main points discussed at meetings in bullet points for the noticeboards

  3. Suggestion that the CC organises focussed public meetings on particular topics.

  1. Fairer Scotland Events and Card game.

  1. The Scottish government has launched a ‘conversation’ and series of events about how to create a ‘Fairer Scotland’. Secretary had attended an event for Community Councils in Glasgow.

  2. A card game has been published to encourage everyone to join in the conversation. Secretary showed a copy to the meeting. She thought it was a useful idea. Others were not so sure. Rob took the pack away to have a look at it further.

  1. Floral displays Achievements.

  1. Limekilns and Charlestown had been awarded Silver Medals in both Beautiful Fife and Beautiful Scotland. Thanks and congratulations to all involved for their hard work in creating and maintaining the displays.

  2. A fund-raising quiz sheet is doing the rounds at the moment.

  1. Treasurer’s Report.

  1. The only cheque paid was £28 to Jimmy Hutchinson for the Remembrance Day Wreath.

  2. Bank is still not sending out statements on a regular basis.

  1. Secretary’s Report

  1. Since the last meeting, the Community Council has nominated Beryl Leatherland for the position of community representative on Fife Access Forum.

  2. ‘Hands Over the Forth’ protest against Underground Coal Gasification. Forth Road Bridge. 2pm 11th October. Estimate it needs 1850 people to reach across.

  1. Councillor Callaghan. .

Referring to the Planning Review, (6b above), Councillor Callaghan, expressed her continuing frustration in her role as a member of the West Area Planning Committee. However strong the feelings of a community she represents, or however strong her own feelings against approval of a controversial or inappropriate plan, she is ‘strongly advised’ not to vote against, or persuade others to vote against, a planning officer’s recommendation to approve. The consequences of such a vote would likely be an appeal by the applicant to the Secretary of State and resulting costs to Fife Council.

  1. Councillor Stewart

  1. With the closure of Crombie School, provision for both primary school children and nursery children is offered at Limekilns. Simultaneously, Fife has withdrawn transport for nursery children. The limited bus service provided by Stagecoach means that mums who live in Crombie and who don’t have a car have difficulty in getting their children safely to and from Limekilns.

  2. There are plans for a substantial number of ‘affordable’ homes to be built in Crombie, some on the site of the now closed school. Cllr Stewart questioned the value and wisdom of providing ‘affordable’ homes in a community with no school, doctor, or shop. The homes may be ‘affordable’ but accessing essential services is not.

  3. Aileen Aitken works for Fife Council with a remit for ‘inclusion’ in West Fife Villages, with particular reference to transport. She has procured a ‘people carrier’ type of vehicle and hopes to recruit volunteer drivers. This might help resolve the sorts of transport issues faced by the Crombie mums.

  4. The ‘Ash Lagoon Liaison committee’ has been reconvened to help address the consequences for West Fife of the planned closure of Longannet power station. Secretary said that this Community Council had not received notice of the first meeting which has already been held.

  1. AOCB


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 27th October 2015.



Present: Sue Hamilton, Callum MacInnes, Alex Hill, Lesley Scott, Kat Tebbutt, Rob Thompson, Peter Curry, Tommy Cuthbert

In attendance: Kathleen Kilpatrick (now Kathleen Brewster - Congratulations!), Karen Grant, Fiona Thompson, Brian Clark, Kirsty Drummond

Apologies: Geoff Cartwright, Mandy Littlewood, Cllr Callaghan, Cllr Stewart

  1. Minutes of the meeting of 30th June 2015.

The meeting accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Rob Thompson, Seconded: Alex Hill.

  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 30th June 2015.

  1. Junction with A985. The camera survey was carried out in late June. Secretary had enquired last week about the results. Gordon Boyd said ‘the survey showed very few vehicle conflicts over the period of the survey’. There is an offer to present the results to the Community Council. This has been accepted. (No move on the painted kerbs or the return of the missing bollard.) Peter said ‘Traffic Master’ statistics show increased congestion incidents all the way along the A985.

  2. Mobile Post Office service. No news.

  3. Outdoor Fitness. No news.

  4. Unsuitable for HGVs’ signs. Scott Blyth has yet to establish the necessary contact with Amey.

  5. Unconventional Gas meeting. Invoice for £12 received for hall hire. £20.30 collected on the door will also be donated to Queen’s Hall.

  6. Cairns Parking. Job completed in July. Invoice for £2227 paid. Red shale chips may not provide the best finish, but the extra hard-standing is generally working well. Situation with respect to bin lorry access will be monitored

  7. War memorial. Application for Listed Building Amendment has been approved. The purchase of the OS extract Plan at a cost of £27.25 was reimbursed from CC funds. We hope to delay payment of the bill for the casting of the mold until funding has been received. Rededication event now likely to be in association with the Remembrance service on the 8th of November. Rob, Norman Grant and Craig Lindsay will co-ordinate in association with Lord Elgin and/or Charles Bruce.

  8. Broadband. Brian Clark, who works in telecommunications, has been using his knowledge and contacts to find why we have incomplete fast broadband coverage in Limekilns. He has contact with Digital Scotland Stakeholder Manager, who says it is Openreach who are responsible for making the connections. Openreach imply that it is a wayleave problem. Difficult to fathom why this should be. Kathleen will check whether the Estate has received a wayleave request.

  9. Engaging with Planning event. Secretary had attended this at Fife House yesterday. About 20 Community Councils were represented. General dissatisfaction was expressed with the relationship between Fife Planning department and Community Councils. Helpful advice was provided about features of the online planning portal. It is possible to receive notifications for any applications in a Community Council area. Contact Secretary for details of the procedure for creating and saving a search.

  10. Airport flight path plans. New flight path is used on a very irregular basis. There was little awareness of the change among members present, other than the Secretary who, on Sunday 22nd, heard eight flights using it between 7 and 7.30am, while on Monday 23rd, there were none between these times. Weather conditions were identical.

  11. Rosyth Churchyard. Secretary had met on site with Liz Murphy of Bereavement Services. She agreed that the collapsed fence should be replaced with a post and wire fence with a gate, which would provide access to allow the area inside to be maintained.

  12. Sutlery. Janice and Jimmy still await a buyer. They are not considering a ‘Plan B’ just now!

  13. Giant Hogweed. Network Rail had not acknowledged their responsibility for controlling the spread of Giant Hogweed. Somebody seems to have sprayed the growth at Merryhill Bridge. There is a website where anyone can log the occurrence of non-native invasive species. Here is the link: www.inns.rafts.org.uk

  1. Police Report. No report. Floral Display containers have been stolen. Next Community Engagement meeting is planned for 29th September.

  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Pattiesmuir unmade road. 10mph speed limit notice has been erected. Survey of property titles is being carried out, to see what burdens exist. Large potholes have developed. Kathleen will ask Jim McDonald to fill them. Draft plans for houses will be presented to Pattiesmuir residents at a meeting in October. Andrew McCafferty is managing the process.

  2. College roof is unsafe for access to replace missing tiles. Tenders are being invited for replacing the roof.

  3. Proposed development behind Old Schoolhouse, Charlestown. No further comment from the Community Council.

  4. Pop Concert. Immediate neighbours and Kathleen did not agree about whether their interests had been taken into account. As far as the rest of the village was concerned, there had been no disturbance (other than a low pitched beat booming out for 12 hours).

  5. IFLI (Inner Forth Landscape Initiative) Kilns project. Agreement has been signed. Work should begin next week.

  6. Drones. Estate has been approached by a company called Skylark who have been commissioned by Babcock to carry out a drone survey of the shoreline of the villages. Members queried what rules exist about photography from drones.

  1. Planning

South East Scotland Strategic Plan consultation is ongoing. Event for CCs on Weds 2nd September at Fife House plus public drop in events.

  1. Public Library Consultation

Consultation on the future of library services in Fife have been well publicised. Concern has been expressed about the future of the mobile library service. Secretary had enquired about the use of it locally. She had been assured that there is no threat to the mobile service and that the review is to ensure that best use of the mobile service is made to replace any static facilities that may be withdrawn as a result of the consultation.

  1. Telephone kiosk adoption process

  1. The ‘consultation’ period with Fife Council is now ended. On 17th August, Secretary received a contract for the Community Council to sign. It will be circulated for members’ perusal.

  2. Lots of questions about where we’re at and different ideas, whether a Community Council can own an asset, what our liabilities might be etc etc. Motivation for moving to adopt was to achieve a sensible location to plug in the mobile post office. The idea of local history information points still has its advocates. There is also the option of keeping the telephone connection – which could be an asset in view of the poor mobile reception in the villages.

  3. Kirsty Drummond spoke powerfully in favour of community defibrillators. She had recent statistics about cardiac deaths among the working age population. She even happened to have a demonstration defibrillator with her and showed the meeting how it provided all the necessary instructions and encouragement for anyone using it. She said that one real benefit that communities had found was the increased awareness of CPD through Defibrillator Awareness sessions, and the need for everyone to be trained. Peter provided the rationale he had previously provided, based on his professional involvement with NHS Fife, our proximity to ambulance service, and the low footfall in small villages like ours, compared to supermarkets and railway stations where defibrillators are commonly installed – though surprisingly rarely used. Kirsty said her enthusiasm for community defibrillators is that she herself is a survivor. She had found that the community of Ladybank had little difficulty in raising the necessary funds. (£1,000 for defibrillator, £500 for cabinet, £100 electrical work, £100 per use). Kirsty operates under the banner of ‘Howe Shocking’. She can be contacted at ladybankpad@gmail.com or 0770 853 0682. Meeting acknowledged the desirability of more folk being trained in CPD.

  1. IFLI/Marine conservation Society Beach Clean

This will be held in conjunction with a litter survey at Limekilns Pier at 10am on Monday 21st September. All local support welcome

  1. Community Engagement Group.

Mandy has provided further analysis of the results (99 survey responses completed – mostly on-line). The issue of most concern was the junction with the A985. Fracking also got a high score. There was something akin to a normal distribution in views in that some thought we were great and some thought we were rubbish, and most were somewhere between.

Mandy suggested that the more negative responses indicated that we should

* Think about how to communicate better - especially to include people not online.

* Think about governance issues and the role/image of the CC - how to involve more people to refresh the group and be more widely accountable/representative/welcoming

* Some comments suggest that some people expect more of the CC than is possible / achievable / within our remit

* Some suggest unfairness / arbitrariness in the way the CC operates. Do we need to think about developing some guidelines of protocols on what we do/don’t do and why/why not?

In Mandy’s absence, these points were not discussed in detail at the meeting. They will be remitted to the Community Engagement Group.

  1. Treasurer’s Report.

  1. After many hours of frustrating contacts with the Bank of Scotland Customer Services, a new signature mandate was eventually achieved after the submission of a detailed written complaint. In recognition of its failure to provide the simple service required, the Bank has made a donation of £250 to the Community Council and a separate donation of £150 to the Secretary to compensate for her time, her telephone bills, and her travel to and from the bank. Meeting agreed that a cheque for this £150 be made out to the Secretary.

  2. Grant from Fife Council of £632.28 has been received.

  3. Cheques paid were £25 subscription to Association for the Protection of Rural Scotland, £2,227.20 for the Cairns parking project (being the amount received from Fife Council locality Budget earlier in the year), £150 to Secretary (as above), £27.55 for OS map extract for War memorial, and £12 for Queen’s Hall hire.

  1. Secretary’s Report

  1. Boundary Commission have published their final proposals for new ward boundaries. We are still destined to move in with Rosyth, but so now is Crombie – which was a suggestion we had made.

  2. Geoff Cartwright has three ‘asks’ for Pattiesmuir: stop HGVs, stop speeding, stop dog fouling. The HGV issue is ‘being dealt with’. Secretary had spoken to Scott Blyth about speeding. He thinks a traffic order for possible speed humps and 20mph signs would be possible if this was what residents want. Extent and location of dog fouling unspecified.

  3. Someone in the CC survey had asked for 20mph signs round Charlestown Green. Scott happy with the idea of 20mph signs on the lamp posts as long as the Estate does not have a problem. Kathleen said the Estate would not have a problem.

  4. A number of folk have been bemused by the new 50mph signs on the way into Limekilns. No-one was aware of a speeding problem here! Scott will check whether the number of signs is excessive.

  5. Information had been sent about this year’s recruitment campaign for Children’s Panel members. Men are particularly welcome. Information was not provided in an e-mailable form.

  6. Following concern about brown foam on the beach, Secretary had found a named SEPA person who has responsibility for this area in the Glenrothes office. The foam had, by someone, been blamed on Longannet, but Longannet was completely shut down over the relevant period. The likelihood is that it is caused by an algal bloom which makes bubbles in waves whipped up by the windy conditions into a gelatinous foam.

  7. Cara Hilton MSP had sent information about Action Earth ‘Grab a Grant’ scheme. Secretary had wondered whether it might be used to buy plug plants to establish a real wild flower meadow on the bank along Haven’s Edge.

  8. Secretary had, today, been sent information about Fife’s Diversity Week events.

  9. Survey forms were available for the community survey which Limekilns Church is carrying out as part of the ‘Future Focus’ process.

  10. Limekilns Playpark is plagued by gulls and crows who empty the bins. A resident makes a point of clearing up, but draws the line at soiled nappies which sometimes form part of the mix. She had asked if it was possible to put a ‘Please take nappies home’ sign on the bins. Meeting didn’t think so. Rob Thompson said he would contact Public Health to seek their advice on how one should dispose of soiled nappies.

  1. Councillor. None present. No report.

  1. AOCB

  1. Excellent Gala Week and Gala Day. Great participation. Well done and thanks to all involved throughout the year.

  2. Floral Displays. Villages are looking superb. Thanks to everyone responsible.

  3. Flower Show next Saturday.

Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 29th September 2015. Venue to be confirmed.






Present: Sue Hamilton, Callum MacInnes, Alex Hill, Kat Tebbutt, Rob Thompson, Geoff Cartwright,

In attendance: Fiona Thompson, Tom Leatherland, Colin and Betty Craig, Mike Brockie, Moira Adams, Doreen Kempsell, Yasmine Bazazi, Ricardo Chicarella, Jocky Wilson.

  1. Apologies: Peter Curry, Tommy Cuthbert, Mandy Littlewood, Trevor Jones, Police, Broomhall Estate, Cllr Callaghan (after the meeting)

Chairman Alex Hill was a little late in arriving, so Callum MacInnes chaired the meeting

  1. Minutes of the meeting of 26th May 2015.

The meeting accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Kat Tebbutt, Seconded: Callum MacInnes.

  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 26th May 2015.

  1. Junction with A985. A full week’s camera survey should have been carried out last week. No-one at the meeting had noticed cameras. Preliminary results from the Community Council survey indicate that almost all respondents consider this to be a ‘very important’, or ‘quite important’ issue. It must remain a priority concern for the Community Council. The fatal accident at the Limekilns road end had drawn some attention from the Press to our ongoing campaign for improvements to our junction. No move on the painted kerbs or the return of the missing bollard.

  2. Mobile Post Office service. No news.

  3. Outdoor Fitness. No news.

  4. Unsuitable for HGVs’ signs. Amey have been asked to put signs at Charlestown road end and at Pattiesmuir. No suitable locations within Charlestown for westbound traffic.

  5. Unconventional Gas meeting. The notice Rob sent to Village Link about the meeting did not arrive at the editor’s desk. He had arranged a house to house leaflet drop instead. Secretary commented that it was important always to include CC contact details if it is a CC event or leaflet. There was a pleasing attendance at the meeting of some 40 individuals. The two speakers were Donald Campbell from the Broad Alliance, and Prof Andrew Waterston from Stirling University. Jess Pepper had another commitment, but said she could attend at another time to speak on Climate Change if we wished her to do so. Some Powerpoint slides showed aspects of Underground Coal Gasification. Outwith the CC meeting, Rob handed the treasurer a box containing an unspecified amount of money which was taken in donations at the door. He anticipated that an invoice would be sent by the Queen’s Hall Treasurer to the CC Treasurer. Secretary will ensure that the Queen’s Hall Treasurer has our new Treasurer details. He had not incurred any other costs. It is understood that INEOS have agreed to attend a meeting at Kincardine for local residents only.

  6. Inner Forth landscape Initiative Kilns Project. No news

  7. Cairns Parking. No progress. John Wilson Junior was in attendance for a later item. Secretary hoped that he and she could arrange a meeting and a start date soon.

  8. War memorial. Application had been submitted to Fife Council for Listed Building Amendment, for which there was no charge, but there was a requirement to submit an OS extract Plan which had been purchased at a cost of £27.25. An interim bill of £500 has been presented by the sculptor for the making of the mold. He is aware that it cannot be paid until the War Memorial Trust money comes in. The work should be completed in late August. We need to fix a date for a rededication event and decide who shall be invited.

  9. Local bus service. Secretary has put a notice on the notice boards. A temporary bus stop has been installed near the Sutlery. Drivers have got the message that they stop there on request. There is greater variability in the willingness of drivers to set passengers down nearer the Sutlery than the Elgin on the westbound journey..

  10. Broadband. No news

  11. Kiosk Adoption. No news.

  12. Airport flight path plans. Pilot started on the 25th of this month.

  13. Rosyth Churchyard. Secretary still to arrange a meeting with Liz Murphy.

  14. Sutlery. There is still no interested buyer. Secretary to ask Janice whether they have a ‘Plan B’.

  15. Bistro License Variation. Following their site visit, the Licensing Board had granted the license without restriction. Yasmine Bazazi explained the situation from her perspective. She has no interest in running a pub, or staying up late every night. Residents at the hotel occasionally wish to take a drink outside on a summer evening. There have been two wedding events in 25 years, the most recent having been two years ago (when there had been no complaints lodged with the police or the licensing board). She recognizes the need that all parking should take into account the interests of neighbours

  1. Police Report.

  1. PC Orrock had sent a list of 12 calls received – ranging from a lost cat to the fatality on the A985. One crime of vandalism had been recorded in Charlestown

  1. Broomhall Estate. Pattiesmuir

  1. There had been a meeting about the road (attended by Geoff, Bob Ferguson, Charlie Reid Thomas, Kathleen Kilpatrick, Charles Bruce, and Sue Hamilton.) Nothing further has been done beyond the interim repairs. Geoff asked for a 10mph speed limit notice to be erected but this has not been done, despite the Estate saying it would not be a problem. Speeding cars break up the road. The Estate still conflates the issue of the unmade road with the plan to build houses. Residents think the road issue should be resolved without reference to any building proposals. A meeting to which all residents are invited has yet to be held, so there has been no opportunity for sharing any vision.

  2. Proposed development behind Old Schoolhouse, Charlestown. At the meeting mentioned in the preceding item, Charles Bruce had presented proposed plans for building four houses on this land (which is scheduled for residential development in the Local Development Plan). A planning application has yet to be submitted, so the Secretary had asked Kathleen for a copy of the plans which she presented to the meeting. The architects, Yeoman McAllister, apparently took inspiration from ‘the vernacular architecture of West Fife, and will adopt traditional elements such as harling and slated roofs. The new homes will be inspired by the pattern-book used by the Estate in the early nineteenth century when it laid out a suburb for hand-loom weavers at Elgin Street in Dunfermline.’ Members acknowledged early sight of the application, but did not comment in any detail on it.

  3. Hogweed. The massive growth of hogweed on the railway line at Merryhill is of great concern. Secretary had tried to get a coherent picture of responsibilities through conversations with the Estate, Fife Council (Public Protection) and Network Rail (whose responsibility it probably is, but who have yet to take any action).

  4. Pop Concert. Kathleen Kilpatrick had informed the Secretary this morning that Ricardo Chicarella, the organiser of a pop concert which is to be held in West Quarry, Charlestown, would attend the meeting tonight to talk about his plans. Secretary had said to Kathleen that telling the Community Council was a good idea, but that none of the members lived near enough to be affected by the event, so it was more important to ensure that the immediate neighbours were informed. Ricardo said this is his fourth year operating a ‘boutique festival’. He is working in partnership with Jocky Wilson of Waulkmill Farm. The event will be on 22nd August from 12 noon to midnight. The event is called ‘In the Woods’ and is promoted on Facebook and bookings are managed on-line. It would be contained within the West Quarry landfill site which is contained by vertical cliffs. Participants (about 500) will all be bussed in – the ticket price includes the bus fare – and bussed back home at the end of the event. There is no car parking. Secretary re-emphasised how important it was to make sure the interests of the immediate neighbours were properly taken into consideration.

  1. Community Engagement Group.

  1. Questionnaire. About 75 questionnaires have been completed – mostly on-line. Mandy will carry out a full analysis of the results.

  2. Secretary, Kat, and Mandy had responded to the school’s invitation to talk to P2 pupils about the Community Council. One child pointed out that there was still no bollard preventing vehicles driving onto Limekilns Park. Secretary will follow this up. There was another interesting question about whether Crombie could be included in our Community Council. Technically, it cannot, but it might be worth considering co-opting a Crombie representative now that Crombie children attend Limekilns School.

  1. Treasurer’s Report.

  1. No movement of funds during the month.

  2. Still trying to get a new signature mandate through the system. We were unaware that the Bank had, apparently, never received he first one, so we had to start all over again. Existing signatories include Gaye Darby who stopped being secretary 27 years ago. The meeting passed a resolution to remove the following as signatories: Gaye Darby, Anne Anderson, Beryl Leatherland, Ali MacKerron, and Suze Anderson. Signatories will now be Sue Hamilton, Kat Tebbutt, Alex Hill.

  3. Form to claim our grant from Fife Council has been submitted.

  1. Secretary’s Report

  1. On 23rd June, Secretary had received information about ‘Scottish Heritage Angel Awards’ for which nominations have to be submitted by 30th June! Maybe they’ll give us more notice in future years.

  2. The ‘Engaging with Planning’ event, for which the Secretary has registered will be held on 24th August. She had received no expressions of interest from other members in going

  1. Councillor. None present. No report.

  1. AOCB

  1. Moira Adams, who is a member of Fife Health Board, had, this morning attended a meeting where a major topic of discussion was the petition that had been lodged requesting that A&E services be restored at Queen Margaret Hospital. Detailed research of the impact of the closure on patient outcome showed that there had been no significant deterioration. There is no way that the Health Board would reconsider their decision – notwithstanding longer travelling distances for patients and ambulances. What had become clear was that there was very little public understanding of the services provided by the Minor Injuries Unit. This operates 24/7, with the proviso that X-ray is not available at night. Moira held up a booklet called ‘Know who to turn to’. No-one present was aware of its existence, although it should be available from GP surgeries and pharmacies. Here is a link to it.


An overall conclusion of the review was that better communication is vital. There should be better integration and communication between the various services.

  1. Alex asked if the Community Council should have a presence at the Gala. This seemed to be thought to be a good idea, but no-one volunteered to organise it.

  2. Camper vans had again spent single nights at the turning circle. This was not considered a problem so long as they didn’t create noise or litter.

Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 25th August 2015 at the Gellet Hall.




Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Tommy Cuthbert, Callum MacInnes, Alex Hill, Kat Tebbutt, Rob Thompson, Mandy Littlewood,

In attendance: Cllr Callaghan, Fiona Thompson, Tom Leatherland, Colin and Betty Craig, Craig Lindsay, Shireen Fernie

  1. Apologies: Geoff Cartwright, Trevor Jones, Lesley Scott, Police, Cllr Stewart

  1. Minutes of the meeting of 28th April 2015.

The meeting accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Kat Tebbutt, Seconded: Callum MacInnes.

  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 28th April 2015.

  1. Junction with A985. Villagers had been consulted via email and Facebook as to the effectiveness or otherwise of the electronic signs. There had been over 70 responses. The general view was that the signs had not made much difference. Many said the signs didn’t appear to be working. Secretary had sent the feedback to Transport Scotland and Amey. She had spoken to Marco Bardelli who said they had decided they would do a full week’s camera survey in the near future. Meeting agreed that this should be soon and during term time. Marco had said that the works carried out thus far had been done from the local route budget. Any more work would have to compete for funding on a Scotland-wide basis. It was stated, without attribution, that it was only the 105th busiest junction in Fife. That may be so, but there are unlikely to be many that cause so much stress to drivers. BAE systems may be planning to relocate some of their workforce to Rosyth. It’s not clear whether that would significantly alter the traffic flow at our junction. No move on the painted kerbs or the return of the missing bollard.

  2. Mobile Post Office service. Bill McKissock had alerted the Secretary to the fact that an excellent fibre connection was installed at his property when the PO was still operational. She has passed this information on to the Mobile PO people.

  3. Outdoor Fitness. Kat described the facilities that have been installed at Townhill

  4. Unsuitable for HGVs’ signs. Nothing yet.

  5. Unconventional Gas meetings. Secretary had attended the WFVCC Forum when Andrew Nunn from Cluff spoke. She said it had been very instructive. Rob has put a notice about the meeting on the 9th June in Village Link. He has two confirmed speakers – Donald Campbell from the Broad Alliance, and Prof Andrew Waterston from Stirling University. It was advised that INEOS should be invited, although they probably won’t come!

  6. Inner Forth landscape Initiative Kilns Project. Kathleen reported that agreements about access during and after the works are nearing conclusion.

  7. Cairns Parking. Awaiting John Wilson.

  8. Slabs at Capernaum Court. Secretary has failed to find who did the remedial work.

  9. War memorial. Despite rumours to the contrary, Fife Council do not own the monument itself. Kathleen said the Estate is content to take ownership of it. The only permission required is Listed Building Amendment. Community Council fee rate should apply and CC would pay this if it were to be levied. Cross drains need some remedial work. Estate has a high pressure hose which could be used to clear the drain on the west side.

  10. Local bus service. Secretary had spoken to Scott Blyth. ‘Hail and Ride’ stop by the Sutlery is being piloted from this week. We need to let people know. Secretary will put a notice on the notice boards..

  11. Broadband. Several individuals are attempting to find answers to the conundrum as to why high speed broadband has not been made available to the whole of Limekilns. It seems that, of the four ‘cabinets’ inside the Telephone Exchange building, only Number 2 has not been upgraded. It really seems to be luck of the draw as to which premises have it available. Potential users need to keep making a fuss.

  12. Kiosk Adoption. Process of ‘approval’ by Fife Council is still ongoing.

  13. Airport flight path plans. Malcolm Hamilton had written to the Scottish government seeking more information about the proposal to pilot alterations to the flight path from Edinburgh southwards. The civil servant who replied said it was a reserved matter, and he seemed to have had to ask Edinburgh Airport about their plans. He said, as it was a pilot, it didn’t need an Environmental Assessment or planning permission and that there would be full consultation if it were decided to make it permanent!

  14. Rosyth Churchyard. The fallen tree has been removed and the area inside the Elgin railings has been tidied up. There has been no removal of tree growth or of the broken fence from around the building. Secretary will arrange a meeting with Liz Murphy. She and Jim Macdonald have agreed a combination for the lock on the gate by the turning circle.

  15. 8.15am bus to Dunfermline. Secretary had spoken with Annie about the possibility of getting to Dunfermline on the school bus. Annie had said she would give it a try.

  1. Police Report.

  1. Police had held a Community Engagement Meeting here last evening. It seems that, in future they will hold their Engagement Meetings on the same night as, and preceding, Community Council meetings.

  2. Issues which were raised and discussed last night were: overnight campervans, use of cardboard policeman, rules relating to CCTV installations, Bistro application (see item 5 below).

  3. Secretary had circulated the reply she had received from the chair of Safer Communities Committee about our concerns about the move of the contact centre to Bilston. It is still not clear whether local non-emergency incidents are routed through operators with local knowledge

  1. Bistro, application for Variation to License

  1. The meeting of the Licensing Board had postponed a decision pending a site visit to be held on June 1st. Objectors had submitted photographic evidence of failure to restrict alcohol consumption by wedding guests to the licensee’s premises. They therefore take issue with the Community Council’s view that outdoor alcohol consumption will be managed as effectively as it is in other licensed premises in the village.

  2. The police had stated at the Community Engagement Meeting that they operate a ‘green, amber, red’ system of warnings for any breach of regulations.

  1. Broomhall Estate. Pattiesmuir

  1. The responsibility for future upkeep of the unmade road will be the subject of a meeting between the Factor and representatives of the affected residents. The Estate is still planning to build houses. A meeting to which all residents are invited has yet to be held.

  2. Hogweed is bad at Aberlyn. It is being sprayed ‘as we speak’..

  3. Big article in the Dunfermline Press about ‘Broomhall Development’ was not initiated by either the Estate or Stirling Developments! There is, in fact no news beyond the fact that it is in the Local Plan as a ‘Strategic Land Allocation’

  1. Community Engagement Group.

  1. The village diary non-edit link http://teamup.com/ks2d7841cb0be65458/ will be sent out through the email list and Facebook. Secretary will ask if anyone else would like the edit facility.

  2. Design and wording of questionnaire for Village Link has been agreed. Mandy has produced an on-line version which will be circulated after publication of village Link

  1. Treasurer’s Report.

  1. Balances: CC BoS £791.55; CC Nationwide £1717.52; Residents for Responsible Development £1072.66..


  1. Secretary’s Report

Secretary had received information about a new Facebook page for Scottish Community Councillors: https://www.facebook.com/groups/Scotlands.community.councillors.chewin.the.fat/?fref=ts

  1. Councillor

Cllr Callaghan had nothing to add

  1. AOCB

  1. There is a move to introduce a bill in the Scottish Parliament to ban parking on footways. Such a measure would mean that it would be virtually impossible for traffic to move along roads such a Brucehaven Road!

  2. Secretary had been asked to find out why some pupils living on Charlestown Green get free transport to Limekilns School and some do not. It’s because some of North row is more than a mile from the school and all of South Row is less than a mile.

Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 30th June 2015 at the Gellet Hall.





Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Alex Hill, Trevor Jones, Mandy Littlewood, Geoff Cartwright, Callum MacInnes, Lesley Scott, Kat Tebbutt, Rob Thompson, Suze Anderson

  1. In attendance: Cllr Callaghan, PC Kirsty Orrock, PC Ian Moffat, Fiona Thompson, Evelyn Jones, Tom Leatherland, Doreen Kempsell

  1. Apologies: Tommy Cuthbert, Annie Nally, Cllr Stewart, Colin and Betty Craig

  1. Minutes of the meeting of 31st March 2015.

Item 9(g) was amended to record that the Factor had agreed to arrange a meeting with the affected residents. The meeting then accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Lesley Scott, Seconded: Kat Tebbutt,

  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 31st March 2015

  1. Junction with A985. Electronic signs have been up for a month. Many views were voiced in the meeting about the fact that the signs on the junction had not made much difference. Meeting agreed to ask villagers via email and Facebook how well the measures are working. No move on the painted kerbs or the return of the missing bollard.

  2. Request for ramps for skate-park etc. Investigations ongoing.

  3. Gate latch at Rosyth Churchyard. New one installed this week!

  4. Mobile Post Office service. Secretary has sourced a poster for the noticeboard. She tried to get BT and the GPO to talk sense to each other but to no avail. She arranged a meeting with David Gray of 1 The Promenade and Brian Turnbull, GPO ‘change manager’ to discuss alternative locations to site the vital box, which is currently attached to the inaccessible telegraph pole in the lane between The Prom and Main Street. The obvious location would be to attach it (glue?) to the back of the telephone kiosk. If we were to adopt it, then BT couldn’t object. Secretary has made an initial expression of interest in the adoption of the box by the community. In the meantime, Brian will enquire of BT what would be involved in attaching the box to a wall at 1 The Promenade.

  5. Planning Democracy conference was an excellent event. Lots of good networking opportunities and a big thrust to the campaign for Equal Rights of Appeal.

  6. Outdoor Fitness. Investigations ongoing.

  7. Merryhill Bridge. Scott Blyth cannot identify no appropriate location for ‘unsuitable for HGVs’ signs west of The Elgin (which is really too far in advance). He will talk to Amey about putting a sign on the main road. At Pattiesmuir, he will ask them for a ‘No through road’ sign.

  8. Unconventional Gas meetings. Secretary had circulated information about Ineos ‘consultation’ events. No-one has attended one yet. She also circulated the notice of the WFVCC Forum this Thursday, when Andrew Nunn from Cluff will speak. Rob suggests the 9th June as the best date for an information meeting in the Queen’s Hall. He is contacting speakers, and will put the provisional date in the on-line diary.

  9. Inner Forth landscape Initiative Kilns Project. No update.

  10. Cairns Parking. John Wilson now busy farming, but will keep in touch about when he identifies a date when men and machines are available. The Green is in a better state now it has dried out a bit.

  11. Slabs at Capernaum Court. Secretary still trying to establish who did the work so that the remaining slightly raised slab is sorted.

  12. Community Payback. Posts at Limekilns Pier car park have been renewed and the minister’s garage given a once-over. Our letter of thanks from the Community Council had been published in the Dunfermline Press.

  13. War memorial. Rob reported that grass seed has been planted. The additional drain will be dug to direct water from the new cross-drains to the soak-away. The model for the bas-relief sword is being produced. Secretary mentioned that a group of individuals is carrying out research on the men who are named on the war memorial. Craig Lindsay is also compiling a photo story of the production of the new sword.

  14. Local bus service. Secretary had spoken to Scott Blyth. He thinks it would be preferable to have a ‘Hail and Ride’ stop by the Sutlery, rather than moving any bus stops. This still leaves a long walk from the Elgin, but maybe the driver can be asked to put folk down a bit nearer the shop.

  15. Sutlery. Secretary had spoken with Janice. There has been some interest, but no real prospect of a sale. Secretary asked that, if Janice and Jimmy found they were no longer able to carry on, they would let us know in good time, so that the community could decide whether it was minded to run a community shop.

  16. Boundary Commission. Secretary had tried to discover more. Public consultation on proposed new boundaries is only planned at the very end of the process. Saline is particularly exercised by the proposal that they be put into a ward with Kelty – with which they have no connection at all. From the proposals map published in the Press, Secretary had an impression that Charlestown and Limekilns would be split. This is not the case. Currently the proposal is to ‘move’ both our villages in with Rosyth. (There was a suggestion that, if Crombie is in a different ward from Limekilns, it might be difficult to deal with issues raised by Crombie parents concerning Limekilns school.)

  1. Police Report. (Taken before matters arising)

  1. PC Kirsty Orrock, reported the small number of calls each from Limekilns and Charlestown in the past month. One call had been about a grenade found on The Run at Charlestown! No crimes had been recorded.

  2. (Secretary omitted to report that she had, as suggested by Cllr Callaghan, written to the chair of Safer Communities Committee, about our concerns about the move of the contact centre to Bilston, but had yet to receive a response.)

  3. The cardboard cop is being deployed around the area for no more than 2 hours at a time.

  1. Bistro, application for Variation to License

  1. It is understood that the immediate neighbours have made representations to the licensing authority. None of them are in attendance this evening, and only one has copied their objection to the secretary.

  2. The application, if granted, would bring the Bistro into parity with The Bruce and The Ship.

  3. Meeting agreed, proposed by Lesley, seconded by Geoff, that we are not minded to object and anticipate that the premises will be self-policing in the manner exercised by other licensed premises in the villages. Secretary will write to licensing.

  1. Broomhall Estate. Pattiesmuir

  1. Geoff Cartwright was delighted to report that, although the promised meeting had yet to happen, action has been taken by the Estate, specifically Jim McDonald, to grade the surface and deal with some of the drainage levels. Some further work is to be carried out, and thereafter the respective responsibilities of residents and Estate for future maintenance will be established. Coincidentally, Fife Council have done some repair work on corner by the College and on the lane past the Piggery as part of the cycle network.

  2. Application has been submitted for conversion of Charlestown old school building to flats. The Community Council welcomed the proposal.

  3. Work to be carried out at Rosyth Churchyard will need vehicular access. Secretary progressing the issue of gate padlock with Factor.

  1. Rosyth Churchyard

  1. Secretary had met on site with David Simpson, Rory McDonald of Historic Scotland and ‘Mitch’ of Bereavement Services. It was agreed that the tree growth around the church walls was likely to compromise the structure, and that the saplings should be removed. Mitch said that he could arrange this. We also agreed that the broken down fence should be removed and that Mitch would also deal with the tree that has fallen into the churchyard.

  1. Community Engagement Group.

  1. The village diary non-edit link is http://teamup.com/ks2d7841cb0be65458/. Secretary to ask through email list if anyone else would like the edit facility.

  2. Mandy will draft a short questionnaire for Village Link (deadline 17th May), and circulate it to members for approval.

  3. Anne Marsh had emailed the Secretary this morning to ask if we could speak to a class about how the Community Council make decisions. Meeting agreed we would be happy to do this if we could find dates that suited.

  1. BT Adopt a Kiosk Scheme

  1. Several suggestions have been made as to how our kiosks might be used if we adopted them. They could be local geography and history information points with a different emphasis for each village. They could be like the ‘empty plinth’ in Trafalgar Square with different village organisations taking it in turns to use them for their purposes. They could be book exchange points – as in Cleish. Or they could be community defibrillator points. There was extensive consideration of the latter. However, it seems that if they are to be worthwhile (the initial cost, maintenance cost, and eventual replacement cost) then there needs to be a fair chance that they would be used to save a life or two. In general, they tend to be located in places where there is high footfall over an extended period – like supermarkets and busy stations. (The more people you have, the more likely there is that someone will have a cardiac arrest.) Defibrillators can also be located in isolated communities where ambulance response times can be long. In the case of our villages, Charlestown and Limekilns are treated as ‘urban’ and have a 9 minute emergency response time while Pattiesmuir is treated as ‘rural’ and subject to a longer response time. (This 18 minute response time is also the case for villages in the East Neuk, where there are a number of community defibrillators.)

  1. Treasurer’s Report.

  1. Kat, Suze, and Sue have met to plan hand over of Treasurer responsibilities and completion of forms for change of signatories.

  2. Balances: CC BoS £791.55; CC Nationwide £1717.52; Residents for Responsible Development £1072.66.

  3. In answer to a question about the derisory interest rates, Treasurer explained that, whatever the bank, ‘Treasurer’ accounts which do not incur bank charges and which can have multiple signatories have very low interest rates.

  4. Annual accounts are now complete and have been reviewed by Sam Burton.

  5. Fife Council grant application form received by Secretary, passed to Treasurer.


  1. Secretary’s Report

  1. High speed broad band. Chairman explained some of the history of the arrival of broadband. It seems that there is a discontinuity in Limekilns, with some properties (apparently those connected to ‘cabinets 1 and 4’ in the exchange) having high speed broadband, while others (connected to cabinets 2 and 3) do not. Secretary will write to BT, but it would probably be more effective if the individuals who need it wrote to BT themselves, or possibly contacted OFCOM.

  2. Annie Nally has written to the secretary tendering her resignation from the Community Council since she doesn’t feel that we have given sufficient support to her efforts to achieve a better bus service for the villages. Secretary read her letter which asks that we write to Stagecoach in order to get the 8.40am bus restored in term time. It was pointed out that there is, in fact, a bus that leaves the village at 8.15am. This is the Rennies bus to Woodmill School and is, (clarified by Secretary post meeting) apparently, available to everyone. Secretary will write a letter of thanks to Annie for her commitment and enthusiasm as a member of the Community Council.

  3. Mailing from Bill Welsh of Fife Council. Contained two copies of the Community Council information pack (Lesley took one to read); a list of our elected Community Councillors checked for having signed a Declaration of Acceptance; our grant application form; and a useful grid of local managers for various services. We are also asked what training Community Councillors would like. No members mentioned any pressing need.

  1. Councillors

Cllr Callaghan understands that Charlestown street lighting installation is to happen this month. Callum confirmed that the positions of new columns had been marked and that residents had received letters confirming that the works would take place in May.

  1. AOCB

  1. It was announced on the news this evening that there are plans to test a revised flight path for planes taking off from Edinburgh and heading south. After taking off in a westerly direction, they will turn north until they cross the shore of the Forth at Blackness, and thereafter climb eastwards along the Forth until they turn south over Musselburgh. These flights will start on June 25th. Our lives may become noisier.

  2. Situation with Crombie and Charlestown children each being provided with a different school bus is very odd. Why can’t they be served by just one bus?

Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 26th May 2015 at the Gellet Hall. AGM at 7.30pm, followed by an ordinary meeting at approximately 7.50pm.




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