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CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 25.02.2014


Present: Geoff Cartwright, Peter Curry, Sue Hamilton, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Ian Cruikshanks, Charlie Reid Thomas,


In attendance: Carole Muir, Fiona Davies, Robin Gray (Pattiesmuir residents), Andrew and Georgia McCafferty and Steve Runciman (with Charlie Reid Thomas), Keith Poulner (Kapital Developments), Suze Anderson, Malcolm Hamilton, David Gray, Margaret Lobley, David Gostick, Callum MacInnes, Lorna Wilkie,


Apologies: Annie Nally, Kat Tebbutt, Tom Scott, Sgt Jillian Neill, Cllr Callaghan.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 28th January 2014

These were approved as a true record. Lesley proposed; Suze Anderson seconded.

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 28th January 2014

  1. CC recruitment. We only have seven full members at present. Secretary has written a CC recruitment piece in Village Link. Callum MacInnes, in attendance today, has recently moved to the village and is interested in joining that Community Council.

  2. Speeding on Overhaven. Results of speed assessment did not provide evidence of a priority need for traffic calming measures, but it will be put on the list for future attention. The new measure that Tom Scott had reported at Grange Road is to be a speed table, rather than cushions.

  3. Crombie School. Councillors voted for closure of Crombie and transfer to Limekilns as of October this year. However, this decision is to be subject of further scrutiny in terms of governance.

  4. Red Row lighting columns. Secretary had elicited a response today. There is to be a planning application for the replacement of the columns like for like with aluminium columns.

  5. FIFEplan consultation. Secretary had made submissions on behalf of the Community Council. Had been wrong-footed by the fact that the consultation closed at 5pm on the final day, rather than 11.59 as it has been in the past. She was given extra time after pointing out that the change of time had not been highlighted. The web site for FIFEplan is well designed. Search for FIFEplan on www.fifedirect.org.uk Click on ‘See the sites for your area’. As you click further on each site, a panel comes up describing the proposal in brief. Click again on ‘comments’ and you will see the comments that have been made.

  6. Representatives from Dunfermline Advocacy will come to the March meeting.

  7. Path reconstruction at the Cairns. Secretary had been told that the total cost of the path had been £5,046.99. She had spoken to Lynn Hoey, Locality Manager, who said that Fife Council priorities meant that additional car parking was out of the question. However, she would ask John McQueen to look at the cost of laying additional ‘Grasscrete’.

  8. Rosyth Graveyard. Secretary had met a man called Mitch of Bereavement Services about the broken gate and collapsed fence.

  9. Beach Clean. This would be on 23rd March. This is to fit in with the Keep Scotland Beautiful clean up season. Another could be arranged later in the season if plenty of volunteers are available.


  1. Police Matters.

  1. Parking problems do not appear to have been addressed.

  2. No crimes have been reported in the villages in the past month.


  1. Junction with A985.

  1. Cameras and speed assessment measures had been in place from Tuesday to Friday last week.

  2. BEAR vehicles seen at the junction today were repairing gullies.



  1. Submarine Dismantling consultation.

  1. We have received no formal notification of this, despite our having been fully involved in the earlier consultation.

  2. The consultation runs until April 22nd (despite the fact that it says, in several places, including the Edinburgh Gazette that it is for 30 days from January 17th)

  3. Tom Leatherland has copied to the Secretary, the letter he has written. Secretary suggests that the main point we shall make is that we should be included on the Local Liaison Committee.

  4. In general, things will be done in such a way as not to endanger workers on site. It is therefore unlikely that there will be radiological hazard to any neighbouring communities.


  1. Broomhall EstateProposed new houses at Pattiesmuir

  1. Andrew McCafferty, planning consultant for Broomhall Estate, presented an outline of the housing sites the Estate hoped to develop in Pattiesmuir.

  2. Steve Runciman, Architect was also present to explain the concept.

  3. Background: An earlier planning application for building on the three plots had been refused on the grounds that access to the main road required visibility splays before any additional houses could be built. Broomhall Estate has subsequently purchased Kilberry Cottage from which garden ground can be released.

  4. The plan prepared for the Estate showed a proposal to build nine houses rather than the four indicated in the previous proposal! This was a great surprise to residents and Community Council alike.

  5. The roadway to access these properties would be improved but would never be of sufficient width to be adopted by Fife Council. This was also at odds with what had been understood with the earlier plans, when the road would have been improved to adoptable standards for the length required to access the new properties.

  6. The proposed roadway is effectively a cul-de-sac but has narrow width and no turning circle so is unlikely to be adequate to serve the number of properties proposed.

  7. The loss of the casual parking area and turning point beyond the College would cause difficulty for all who live in and visit Pattiesmuir.

  8. Addition of 9 properties would constitute an increase of over 40% in the size of Pattiesmuir.

  9. Secretary asked that a copy of the plan be emailed to her for onward distribution.

  10. Pattiesmuir residents were asked to put their concerns in writing to the Estate Office


  1. Hilton Development at Rosyth

  1. Keith Poulner described and explained the plans for the first phase of the development which is to be in the south-west corner near the ‘Lexmark’ roundabout. This is to be shopping parade, including a modest Sainsbury store, with flats above. Design to reflect the garden city architecture.

  2. He had been as surprised as we were when Transport Scotland did not allow access to the new development off the ‘Lexmark’ roundabout. Instead, there is to be a right turn off the hill on Brankholm Brae. This appeared to the Community Council to be a somewhat hazardous option.

  3. Information about the development is available at www.hiltondevelopments.co.uk


  1. Treasurer's Report

  • DBS - £1710.29

  • RFRD - £1072.14

  • BoS - £487.77


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Notice received today of an impending review by the Boundary commission of council ward boundaries.

  2. Potholes at Charlestown Green. Major potholes have developed again near the north-east corner. A request was made to the Estate Factor for them to be filled.

  3. Garage site at Brucehaven Crescent. Purchaser of Margaret Tait’s house in Brucehaven Crescent has been refused a transfer of the lease - on the grounds that there is a ‘waiting list’. Fife Council seems to work its ‘system’ without reference to the fact that this is the only Fife garage site or lock-up in the villages and that it has been leased by the same tenant for some 50 years. Secretary has contacted Lynn Hoey and asked her to look into this situation. Neighbours on either side are concerned about additional traffic taking access in a very narrow lane which is, in any case, owned over half its width by the three property owners.

  4. Coal Bed Methane / Fracking. Through her association with Planning Democracy, secretary had been made aware of the appeal lodged by Dart Energy against the refusal of Falkirk and Stirling Councils to grant planning permission for multiple drilling operations around Larbert and Airth. She had become aware that, through our membership of the West Fife Community Council Forum, our Community Council had been included in an objection to the application on behalf of West Fife residents. The Community Council in the Larbert area is working very hard on challenging the proposal. Secretary had written to all Community Councils in Fife, highlighting how close this industry might be coming to our communities. She had received no acknowledgement from any of them, but found that her letter had been printed verbatim as an article in the Courier!

  5. Tomorrow at 1pm in the Rothes Halls there will be a Scottish Police Authority Board meeting to which members of the public are invited.

  6. APRS Newsletter.

  7. Two mailings about funding for community energy projects.


  1. Councillor Slot. No Councillor


  1. AOCB

  1. Today, Secretary had received notice that West Road is to be resurfaced. This is not the long-awaited resurfacing of the carriageway between the corner and the railway bridge, but West Road between the Sutlery and the corner. This is to involve daytime road closure from 10th – 14th March. Meeting suggested it would be an opportunity to replace the awful cushions with full width speed humps. Secretary will enquire.

  2. Limekilns Church has made an application for funding repairs of the building to Fife Environment Trust who require evidence of support from the community by way of a petition. Those present were invited to sign the petition.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 25th March 2

 

 


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 28.01.2014


Present: Sue Hamilton, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Annie Nally, Kat Tebbutt, Tom Scott


In attendance: Sgt Jillian Neill, Suze Anderson, Doreen Kempsell, Tom Leatherland, Evelyn and Trevor Jones, Philip and Mary Melville, Rob Thompson


Apologies: Geoff Cartwright, Peter Curry, Allison Macdonald, Kathleen Kilpatrick, Cllr Callaghan.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 26th November 2013

These were approved as a true record. Lesley proposed, Alex seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 26th November 2013

  1. Alex is feeding information onto the Facebook page. Sue will put its address on the Noticeboards and give it a mention in Village Link.

  2. Bins at Limekilns Park. Two new bins have been installed. Thanks to John McQueen.

  3. CC recruitment. Allison MacDonald has indicated that she is stepping down as a member, as she finds it difficult to get to meetings. Thanks Allison for your time on the Community Council. Secretary will write a CC recruitment piece in Village Link

  4. Speeding on Overhaven. Speed assessment was carried out over a period of eight days in mid-January. No results yet. Tom Scott reported that Grange Road is getting one pair of speed cushions to protect children who cross the road en route to school. Meeting was of the view that this should be a full-width hump if it was to be effective.

  5. Crombie School. The outcome of the consultation on the proposed closure of Crombie and inclusion of the village in the Cairneyhill catchment area is that this was unsuitable and will not go ahead. Instead, there is to be a whole new consultation on the proposal to close Crombie and make it part of the Limekilns catchment area!

  6. Red Row lighting columns. Still no action despite reminders by Secretary.

  7. Playgroup has ceased to operate as a service provider for Fife Council. It is likely to reopen in the autumn as a parent-led group operating for fewer hours.

  8. Rosyth Graveyard. Secretary had contacted Liz Murphy of Bereavement Services, who had said an officer would be in touch about the broken gate and collapsed fence.

  9. Road works at the Glen Gates. Fife Council has now terminated the contract with Byzak and will be seeking tenders from other contractors to finish the job. In the meantime, the traffic lights will be removed and the road surface reinstated.


  1. Police Matters.

  1. Sgt Jillian Neill is now Sergeant at Oakley and introduced herself to the meeting. She had attended the recent Community Engagement meeting in Limekilns as well as the recent meeting with BEAR and Transport Scotland (next item). There is now a strong community team at Oakley. The best way to contact them is through the contact centre. Dial 101 and ask to speak to the Oakley community team or leave a message for them.


  1. Junction with A985

  1. With the support of village resident Andy Jones (of the Speed Camera partnership), the Secretary had convened a meeting with Transport Scotland and BEAR to discuss the problems that now exist for traffic turning right out of the villages during the morning and evening peaks. The meeting was attended by George Henry, Road Safety Manager, Transport Scotland, Marco Badelli, Area Manager for Transport Scotland, George Boyd and Stephen Kitt of BEAR, Andy Jones, Sgt Jillian Neill, Peter Curry, Sue Hamilton, Kat Tebbutt, Lesley Scott, Moira Adams.

  2. George Boyd reported on the assessment he had made of the junction. He had found that the junction was functioning ‘well within capacity’ and that the accident record showed that there had been only one serious injury accident in the past ten years. Villagers described their long waits, the risk-taking involved in making a right turn, and the frequency of near misses. It is understood that if drivers of damaged vehicles exchange details at the time of the accident, there may be no record at all of the accident. Furthermore, the absence of street furniture means that vehicles and their occupants often end up relatively undamaged in the field.

  3. The chaotic scenes at the Caledonia Way roundabout on Hilton Road were also alluded to.

  4. Community Council members emphasised that some action is urgently required. An undertaking was made to install a camera to monitor the junction. It was unlikely that there could ever be major intervention such as a roundabout or traffic lights because of the knock-on effect on tail-backs on the A985. A suggestion was made that street lights at the junction would increase driver awareness of the existence of queuing traffic waiting to join the flow. Officers said that they could discuss the shift times with contractors at the Dockyard, but that they needed to collect their evidence first. Officers were thanked for the time and were asked to leave the meeting sharply so that they could have the full right turn experience at around 5.15pm.

  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Works behind Charles Court. Secretary reported that water was now only very occasionally flowing onto the road and, when it did so, it did not normally last for more than a few hours. Site meeting still required to think of ways of discouraging walkers and cyclists from using the French drain as a path.

  2. Shoots on the Estate. Shoots generally happen on a Friday during the winter months. The Estate has, this year, erected much more effective notices which clearly advise walkers to take alternative routes and to not take access through the Estate when shooting is in progress. Fife Council’s Access Officer had been contacted by Broomhall Estate because a few individuals are, apparently ignoring the notices. The Access Code advises that the public should be alert to the possibility of shooting taking place and take account of advice on alternative routes. The Access Officer had made a site visit and had spoken to a number of individuals about the need to take ‘responsible access’.


  1. Planning

  1. FIFEplan consultation. Our approved Local Development Plan is the Dunfermline and West Fife Local Plan, adopted in November 2012. With the ink barely dry on it, there is now a consultation on the next Local Plan which will be Fife-wide. Landowners and developers have submitted many of the same sites for inclusion in the plan. As far as our villages are concerned, the land to the east of Limekilns, land to the west of the cricket pitch and the Ballast Bank were submitted for inclusion, but only Ballast Bank has been included in the draft plan – as a site for mixed use development with a potential for 30 houses. One of the Rosyth sites submitted is the field beyond the cycle track bordering Caledonia way ‘for employment and community use’. Secretary will email all those on the village contact list, explaining the situation and that the deadline for responses is 5th February. Meeting agreed to object unreservedly to the Rosyth site for the same reasons as we objected before. The meeting agreed that any development of the Ballast Bank must take account of the asbestos, the flood risk, the amenity of existing properties, and the stabilization of the harbour structures. Thirty houses is too many.

  2. Hilton Development. Plans have been submitted for the first phase of the development east of Brankholm Brae. Secretary has invited Keith Poulner to attend the next CC meeting.

  3. Rosyth Biomass Plant. The Scottish government has suddenly given the go-ahead to the Rosyth Biomass plant. Secretary had re-circulated the CC’s very reasoned letter of objection. Nothing has changed. Indeed the economies of biomass generation now seem more dodgy than ever.

  4. Pitliver. Mr and Mrs Barr of Midmill have, after jumping through many hoops, got permission for the modest house they wanted to build on their property.

  5. A planning application at Brucehaven Crescent was of concern to a neighbour who had raised it with the Secretary. Members were not minded to object to the application.


  1. Submarine Dismantling Project.

Yesterday, we heard that Babcock have submitted an application to the Office of Nuclear Regulation to carry out the dismantling of one submarine at Rosyth. There is a 30-day consultation period, starting on 17th January.

  1. Treasurer's Report

  • DBS - £1710.29

  • RFRD - £1071.81

  • BoS - £555.77 (no longer includes any FDG money)

  • Data protection renewal of £35 has been paid.

  • Treasurer requests that expenses be claimed in time for the year end accounts.


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Grant information from Local Area Office. This was passed to Lesley for the FDG.

  2. Dunfermline Advocacy have asked to come and talk to us about their work. Have arranged for Fiona Sword and Tom Bishop to come to the March meeting.

  3. Queen’s Hall AGM Thursday 7pm.

  4. Invitation to a meeting to discuss how Valleyfield disaster 75th anniversary should be marked.

  5. Fife Access Forum event Feb 5th 7 – 9pm.

  6. Loch Leven Walkathon. Poster on the noticeboards.

  7. Path reconstruction at The Cairns. Fife Council workers, a site hut and diggers and dumper trucks arrived unannounced at The Cairns. They were there for the best part of two weeks. It emerged that they were replacing the slab ‘path’ that runs diagonally across the grass, and has proved quite sufficient for the very few people who now use it. A lot of residents are cross that so much time and effort was spent on creating an unnecessary tarmac path, rather than spending money on what they need most – additional parking. Secretary had spoken to residents and undertook to tell the Council of their displeasure. It transpires that this is a rolling programme by ‘Housing’, and no-one ever consults communities or residents as to whether a path is in use. ‘No-one has ever complained before’. She was told we should apply to the locality budget for funds to provide the necessary additional parking spaces.

  8. Dog fouling. Concern had been raised with the Secretary about dog fouling on Charlestown Green. Secretary had contacted the dog warden but was told it is now the job of a Jim Beveridge in ‘Enforcement’. He said that if there was a regular pattern of offending, officers could attend and make their own observations. There is little they can do unless they have good information. There seems to be a problem on dark nights where owners do not keep track of what their dog is up to when it is off the lead!

  9. Medical Waste. On two different occasions medical waste in yellow bags had been dumped on the roadside between Limekilns and Dunfermline. If this happens again, contact the ‘Enforcement’ team as above.

  10. Jayne Baxter MSP letter. Several copies of newsletter had been sent to the Community Council.

  11. Plunkett Scotland had sent information about their activities in Scotland. Plunkett is a Charitable organisation which supports community enterprises. Their advice could be useful if Janice and Jimmy cannot find a buyer for their business.

  12. Letter about Fife’s Cultural Road show.

  13. Fife Carers Newsletter.


  1. Councillor Slot. No Councillor


  1. AOCB

  1. Thanks to a group of energetic volunteers who had done a major tidy-up of Peggy Bell’s Brae.

  2. Kat suggests that Beach clean should be on either 23rd March or 27th April. She will contact Keep Scotland Beautiful.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 25th February 2014 in the Gellet Hall


014 in the Gellet Hall

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 26.11.13


Present: Peter Curry, Sue Hamilton, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Annie Nally, Kat Tebbutt,


In attendance: Cllr Stewart, Kathleen Kilpatrick, Moira Adams, Doreen Kempsell, Ken Kempsell, Tom Leatherland, Mike Graham


Apologies: Geoff Cartwright, Allison Macdonald, Cllr Callaghan.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 29th October 2013

These were approved as a true record. Alex proposed, Annie seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 29th October 2013

  1. We need to make sure our Facebook presence is active. We should put its address on the Noticeboards and give it a mention in Village Link..

  2. Bins at Limekilns Park. Secretary has, today, been told that John McQueen has two bins at the depot which we can have.

  3. CC recruitment. Karen Nicholl and Mike Graham may join in the new year.

  4. War memorial. Secretary had complained that all the old wreaths had been dumped in the bushes rather than being taken away by the council workmen who were supposed to be tidying the site before Remembrance Sunday.

  5. Speeding on Overhaven. Speed assessment yet to be carried out.

  6. Crombie School. Secretary had written to Fife Education officers about the catchment area decision. Cllr Stewart suggested it be copied to Tony Orton.

  7. Fracking in Fife. Secretary had attended a presentation by Friends of the Earth in Glenrothes. She hadn’t felt it very informative. Moira Adams said that an organisation called ‘Frack Off’ had useful literature which she will pass to the Secretary.

  8. Limekilns Park. Queen Elizabeth Field designation. Secretary had been sent a picture of the plaque which will be placed beside a tree that will be planted. No-one really bothered about the designation, but if it gives greater protection to the asset, that’s a good thing.

  9. Scottish Lime Centre. ‘Yard’ Project. Now that training courses are largely based at Merryhill, the open yard at the Lime Centre is an underused space. Consideration is being given to creating an informal outdoor educational lime and stone ‘garden’. This could be a real asset to the villages and give villagers a better connection with what the Lime Centre is and does.

  10. Red Row lighting columns. Nothing done yet.

  11. Christmas Trees. The Charlestown tree will be in the grounds of the Elgin Hotel, in the care of Rob Wemyss. Limekilns tree lighting event will be on 8th December. Thanks to the Estate for the trees.

  12. Playgroup. In the light of the damning hygiene inspection, the endless bureaucracy, and the planned unavailability of the Church Hall for several months next year, Playgroup has decided to fold. This is very sad from a community perspective.

  13. Speed cushions. Secretary had not written to traffic management because she considered we needed to do something of greater impact – such as a petition signed by every household. A petition could be set up on Facebook if someone could do that.


  1. Police Matters.

  1. No communication from the police

  2. Two top-of-the-range cars stolen at 3am from a house in West Harbour – apparently some sort of organised crime event. We hope for more information from the police as to what the vulnerability was.

  3. There had been suspect ‘roofing guys’ going door to door this week looking for work. Police had been informed.


  1. Junction with A985

With the massive increase in traffic resulting from aircraft carrier commuters going to and from Glasgow, our junction is becoming virtually impossible to negotiate at morning and evening peak. Secretary will contact some appropriate people and tell them to get their heads together to sort out a solution. The Glasgow commuters could, apparently, be part of the scene for another eight years until the completion of the second aircraft carrier.


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Works to install a French drain along the back of the houses is now complete. Thanks to all involved. Let’s hope it works!

  2. Woodland Management. A woodland management plan is being drawn up. This will involve the felling of unsafe trees and planting of replacements. We were reassured that there would not be clear felling on the bank between Broomhall and Limekilns as might be surmised from an article in the Dunfermline Press.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  • DBS - £1710.29 (same as last month)

  • RFRD - £1071.81 (same as last month)

  • BoS - £1070.16 (made up of FDG - £431.39 and CC £638.77)

CC transactions this month:

  • Secretary's expenses from April 2013 to Sep 2013 - £40

  • Wreath £25


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Fife Council budget consultation events. 6.30pm 4th Dec Rosyth, 12th Dec High Valleyfield.

  2. Fife Council Winter Gritting booklet received.

  3. SESPlan Housing Strategy sent to us for consultation. Not very meaningful for the local context.


  1. Councillor Slot.

Integration of Health and Social Care. The bill is to be implemented in full in April. We hope it will work!


  1. AOCB

  1. Gate of vehicle access into Rosyth Churchyard now completely detached. Secretary will contact Liz Murphy.

  2. Road works at the Glen Gates continue to cause disruption to peoples’ lives. No end in sight, despite promises.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 28th January 2014 in the Gellet Hall


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 29.10.13

Present: Sue Hamilton, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Geoff Cartwright, Annie Nally, Kat Tebbutt,

In attendance: Charlie Reid Thomas, Doreen Kempsell, Ken Kempsell, Tom Leatherland, Mike Graham

Apologies: Peter Curry, Allison Macdonald, Tom Scott, Cllr Stewart, Cllr Clelland.

  1. Minutes of the meeting of 24thSeptember 2013

These were approved as a true record. Geoff proposed, Lesley seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 24thSeptember 2013

  1. Information distribution. Secretary had checked her e-mailing lists. All in order. We need to make sure our Facebook presence is active.

  2. Charlestown road surface. Secretary had followed an inspection vehicle at this location! It has now been brought forward as a project and will be done next spring.

  3. Trees on railway line at Merryhill Bridge. Secretary contacted Network Rail. Very helpful customer services, but total denial of responsibility from anyone else! ‘Someone’ has trimmed the main offending hawthorn bush. Thank you.

  4. Public Toilet Review. No news. Toilets have been closed this week ‘for technical reasons’ (key holder on holiday!)

  5. Bins at Limekilns Park. Secretary will alert Pat Callaghan next time he is in the village.

  6. CC recruitment. We need to up the numbers of formal members. Members join by co-option between elections.

  7. War memorial. Planned meeting not held, as no apparent arrangements had been made for Fife Council officers to attend. (An email from Colin Davidson said that he was being moved to Cowdenbeath. Secretary had thanked him for his helpful service over the years.) Lord Elgin happy with any improvement in access that can be achieved. No information about the geology of the mound and why it was called Beggars Knowe. He has offered the services of Estate workers to help keep the area tidy.

  8. Limekilns Pier. Nothing to report.

  9. Speeding on Overhaven. Secretary had a meeting with Iain Henderson and the Fairfields. Secretary left the meeting early, but it is likely that they will do a speed assessment, and there was a suggestion that changing the priorities at South Roundall and Overhaven junctions could interrupt the perception of a straight run from the corner of North Roundall.

  10. Crombie School. Secretary had yet to write to Fife Education officers about the catchment area decision.


  1. Police Matters.

  1. No communication from the police

  2. There had been a number of vehicles interfered with on two or three different nights. It seemed that it was cash that was being stolen. No damage to cars reported, so it is likely that cars had been left unlocked.

  3. Lots of rubbish at the turning circle after cars there at night. Are the police driving round there regularly?


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Flooding at Charles Way. There is a lot of standing water in the ditch, with some westward flow. Fife Council reported that the Estate has collected the pipe from their depot. Kathleen reported last month, that she expected the work to be completed by the end of October.

  2. The Estate will provide a Christmas tree for each village, to be delivered the first weekend in December. Thank you.

  3. The work on the Core Path diversion in front of Broomhall is now almost complete.

  4. Shooting season begins next week. New notices will be erected giving clearer information about when shooting is happening. Secretary again asked that a point is made to ensure the Queen’s Hall gate is unlocked after a shoot – to avoid it being locked over weekends.

  5. Geoff reported that the Pattiesmuir road is developing ruts. He and neighbours have done what they can, but suggest the Estate takes some precautionary action to avoid it deteriorating further.

  6. He also reported that harling has come off the wall of the College beside the door.

  7. This evening, the whole of Pattiesmuir suffered a power cut. It is thought that a tractor in the fields hit an electricity pole


  1. Proposed ‘Queen Elizabeth Field’ designation for Limekilns Park

  1. An organisation called ‘Fields in Trust’ had asked Fife Council to nominate recreation grounds for designation as ‘Queen Elizabeth Fields’ in celebration of the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee, and to protect it from development.

  2. The Community Council couldn’t quite get their heads round why this was necessary, but thought there was probably no harm. A plaque would be erected (and, apparently, we’d get a tree planted). Secretary would request an image of the plaque.


  1. Container Terminal

  1. The Harbour Order was discussed by the Infrastructure and Capital Investment Committee on Sept 25th. The intensity of questions to the Minister from the MSPs was an indication of the doubts they appeared to have about the validity of the project. Nevertheless, they voted it through on party lines. (The SNP have a majority on all the committees.)

  2. It would have gone to the chamber for a straight vote but, with a quickly-acquired knowledge of the parliamentary process, we managed to secure a six minute ‘debate’. This meant it was, for a moment, visible to the wider world. In the event, the SNP and Labour all voted in favour, so the Harbour Order was granted by an overwhelming majority, despite the fact that Clause 17(6), which provided our villages with some protection from adverse effects, had been deleted. We acknowledge the support of the Greens, the Tories, and the Lib Dems on this occasion.

  1. Treasurer's Report

No change from last month


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Fife Council budget consultation events. 6.30pm 4th Nov Rosyth, 12th Nov High Valleyfield.

  2. Information evening about ‘Welfare Reform Surgeries’ to be run by CARF. 6.30pm 7th November in High Valleyfield.

  3. Fife Council is running a campaign to recruit more foster parents.

  4. Fife Housing Strategy update received today.

  5. Inner Forth Landscape Initiative presentation evening. MacRobert, Stirling, 26th November.

  6. Red Row lighting columns. A resident of Red Row had asked why they had been left with rusty old columns. Secretary had contacted Ian Jones. It seemed they had been forgotten.

  7. Christmas Tree carol event. Douglas at the church had asked who to get in touch with about preparing for leading of the singing. Derek at the Bruce.

  8. Scottish Lime Centre. ‘Yard’ project information event tomorrow 30th October to share ideas about making the underused courtyard a visitor attraction / education centre. Tea and cakes.

  9. The Lime Centre runs lots of different courses. Secretary receives updates. Some information goes on the Charlestown noticeboard.


  1. Councillor Slot.


  1. AOCB

  1. Playgroup had been subject to an inspection of their premises today. It was deemed that there was poor ‘infection control’ in the loos. The playgroup is threatened with closure unless things are put right within 21 days! Alex volunteered to go through the list with Norman and the Church property convener to suggest what could be done at what cost.

  2. We need to encourage more use of the Mobile Library. Alex will put a note on Facebook, with the timetable of when and where the library stops in the villages.

  3. The subject of the speed cushions in the villages was raised. It is contended that they increase hazard to pedestrians and drivers alike. They damage the alignment of the steering in modest sized vehicles. They have no effect in slowing down buses, trucks, tractors, white vans, and 4x4 drivers – the very vehicles that are most prone to speeding. They cause a massive hazard outside the school where vehicles are parked alongside cushions. Drivers are distracted by the need to manoeuvre their vehicles over and past the humps – thus diverting their attention from the necessity of watching for pedestrians – and children in particular. Villagers are content with the full-width measures installed at Dunfermline Road and Church Street. The meeting asked the Secretary to write to Fife Council requesting that the cushions be replaced by full-width measures.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 26th November 2013 in the Gellet Hall


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT PATTIESMUIR ON 24.09.13


Present: Sue Hamilton, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Geoff Cartwright, Iain Cruikshanks, Annie Nally, Allison Macdonald


In attendance: Kathleen Kilpatrick, Cllr Callaghan, Doreen Kempsell, Kenny Fairfield


Apologies: Peter Curry, Kat Tebbutt,


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 27th August 2013

These were approved as a true record. Lesley proposed, Geoff seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 27th August 2013

  1. Community Web site. Now that we no longer have a Web site, there is an issue over availability of draft minutes. Approved minutes are on the Fife Direct web site (and on the West Fife Villages web site). Secretary will check her group mailing lists. Sheila Green has requested that she still receive minutes and agendas.

  2. Charlestown road surface. Secretary will arrange to inspect with Pat Callaghan. Cllr Alice Callaghan reported that each of the three areas of Fife now has a ‘Hot box’ for pothole repairs.

  3. Trees on railway line at Merryhill Bridge. Secretary will point out to Pat Callaghan. She will also contact Network Rail (has done. Ref 3711178.)

  4. Public Toilet Review. No news.

  5. Bollard Limekilns Park. Colin Davidson doesn’t seem to have a replacement after all.

  6. Bins at Limekilns Park. Secretary will point out to Pat Callaghan.

  7. Dog Fouling Fortnight. We’re in the middle of it!

  8. CC recruitment. We need to up the numbers of formal members. Members join by co-option between elections.

  9. War memorial. Grass has been cut. Estate has erected a substantial new fence along the boundary with the woods. Kathleen still to ask Lord Elgin what he knows about the geology of the mound and why it was called Beggars Knowe. Next meeting of interested persons will be on October 16th.

  10. Limekilns Pier. Nothing to report.

  11. Speeding on Overhaven. Secretary had not yet written to Scott Blyth but had visited Kenny and Kathryn Fairfield to better understand their concerns. Kenny was invited to tell the meeting why they have raised the issue with Traffic Management and the Community Council. There are now four households on Overhaven who have a fair number of children between them. Their parents encourage them to play together outside, and are teaching them to cycle safely and responsibly. However, living as they do at a T-junction which is the confluence of three straight stretches of road, they are concerned that, seeing straight pieces of roads, drivers inevitably drive faster than they should. The problem is reduced when cars are parked in the road, and residents do deliberately park their cars on the road to reduce drivers’ perception of straight clear roads ahead. They are looking for some means of alerting drivers to the fact that this is a residential street and that they should expect children to be on the roads and footways. There followed a discussion. It was suggested that the 20mph was not enforced nor was it enforceable; a smiley face electronic sign; full width rubber humps. Alice stated that child injury statistics had improved significantly since 20mph zones were implemented in Fife. Secretary will arrange a site visit with Scott Blyth / Iain Henderson. In the meantime, if there were particular repeat offenders, the Fairfields were advised to take down their registration numbers and speak to PC Harvey who could have an advisory chat.


  1. Police Matters.

Secretary had spoken with Mike Harvey today. Nothing to report.


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Flooding at Charles Way. Awaiting delivery of materials. Fife Council will supply the pipe, the Estate will supply and gravel. The intention is to have the watershed along the new drain designed so that about one third of the water flows eastwards. Work should be completed in the next month or so.

  2. Lord Elgin will provide a Christmas tree again this year. Please can we have one for Charlestown too?


  1. Container Terminal

This will be discussed by Infrastructure and Capital Investment Committee tomorrow, Sept 25th.

  1. Treasurer's Report

No change from last month


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Fracking in Fife. Central Fife is an area of search. A meeting has been arranged by a Community Council in Glenrothes to which all CCs are invited.

  2. Scottish Water press release today telling of possible water shortages in Central Fife.


  1. Councillor Callaghan

  1. Crombie School. Down to 14 children. 20 already get brought to Limekilns by parents! Main concern is that Fife council want to put Crombie in Cairneyhill’s catchment area. Secretary will write, supporting the case for it to be in Limekilns.

  2. Social work budget is overspent by £10m


  1. AOCB

  1. Both villages achieved silver awards in the Beautiful Scotland competition, snf in Beautiful fife we achieved the same awards as last year. Congratulations to all who have worked so hard for this success.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 29th October 2013 in the Gellet Hall


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 27.08.13


Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Geoff Cartwright, Kat Tebbutt, Iain Cruikshanks


In attendance: Kathleen Kilpatrick, Cllr Kate Stewart, Mike Graham, Tom Leatherland, Tom Flanaghan, Linda MacPhee


Apologies: Annie Nally, Cllr Callaghan,


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 26th June 2013

These were approved as a true record. Alex proposed, Lesley seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 26th June 2013

  1. Charlestown road surface. Cllr Callaghan had spoken to Bob McLellan. It is still assessed as not being a priority.

  2. Rural Bins. Progress has been made. Inappropriate bulk bins have been removed from Broomhall entrance. Pattiesmuir situation seems to have been resolved.

  3. Inner Forth Landscape Initiative. Following the drop-in event, the heritage consultant had made proposals for a project involving connections between communities on the different sides of the Forth. Secretary had shared these with Anne Marsh, who hadn’t felt them particularly appropriate just now, but there might be scope to tie things in with the new Forth Crossing when it comes. Secretary gave a résumé of the proposals. The meeting did not feel that there would be a great deal of enthusiasm for making connections across the Forth. It is hard enough to get people to take an active interest in our own community and heritage, without looking to connect with communities on the other side of the Forth.

  4. Public Toilet Review. No news.

  5. Pattiesmuir road. The smoother surface is much appreciated.

  6. Land at the back of the Manse. Secretary had spoken to Ruth Padmore of Playgroup. It was agreed that keeping the area safe and free from brambles would be a major task. On the very rare occasions when Playgroup have wanted to be outside, they have put their play equipment on the mown grass in front of Ivy Cottage, by arrangement with Malcolm Duffin.

  7. Sewage pump at Charles Way. Both pumps have been replaced and are working well.

  8. Planning information evening 22nd August. Secretary had been invited to this event at Fife House.

  9. Road at Pan Knowe has been repaired.


  1. Police Matters.

  1. No contact from the Police.

  2. Report of eggs being thrown at cars. Secretary advised complainant to inform the Police.

  3. Incident of a JCB and trailer witnessed by a number of people driving at excessive speed along the promenade. Driver had been identified and the Police informed.

  4. Cyclists regularly exceed the 20mph speed limit in the village. They are apparently not breaking the law since they have no requirement to monitor their own speed!


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Flooding at Charles Way. Estate had opened a large trench at the back of 1 and 2 Charles Court, and Fife Council had arranged for cameras to be put in the exposed plastic pipes. They seemed to go nowhere. It is unclear who will do what next. Kathleen reported that the land had been ‘subsoiled’ which should improve drainage.

  2. Flooding at South Row. Estate had carried out works to try to address the flooding which is regularly experienced by residents of these properties.

  3. State of the dilapidated ‘Piggery’ buildings at Pattiesmuir is giving residents cause for concern, since children have been ‘playing’ there of late, and there is concern for their safety


  1. War Memorial

  1. Tom Leatherland of the Floral Displays Group had initiated a meeting of interested parties, including the Church, the British Legion, the Community Council, the Estate (who could not attend) the Scouts etc.

  2. There were questions about what could be done to improve access for infirm people and solve the problem of water flowing from a drain down the steps on the west side.

  3. There was general concern about the unkempt state of the surroundings this summer. The grass had not been cut at all and the memorial is virtually invisible from the road.

  4. The representatives from the British Legion were of the view that the memorial should be moved from its present location to the patch of grass to the west. This was not a view generally shared by individual residents and representatives of organisations at the meeting.

  5. The Limekilns memorial was one of the earliest to be erected and is a listed historic structure.

  6. The hill on which the memorial stands was apparently known as Beggars Knowe. No-one knows how much of it is natural rock and how much might be rubble. Kathleen will ask Lord Elgin if he has any information about the structure of the hill.

  7. A further meeting will be held on 16th October to which Fife Council officers will be invited.


  1. Limekilns Pier

  1. There have been various posts on ‘Limekilns Born and Bred 2’ Facebook page about the state of Limekilns Pier.

  2. Iain’s group of interested and willing volunteers will be reconvening shortly and will provide an update of their progress in a couple of months.


  1. Keep Scotland Beautiful. Dog Fouling Fortnight

  1. KSB are organising this in the second half of September. It involves doing a survey of dog fouling, with an apparent general intention of raising awareness of both dog fouling and litter.

  2. They hope to get lots of people to sign up as supporters of a litter-free Scotland. They can back to campaign on-line at www.cleanupscotland.com


  1. Container Terminal

  1. Joint Action Group had compiled a submission to the relevant Parliamentary Committees.

  2. There has been substantial coverage of the shortcomings of the proposal in the business pages of Scotland on Sunday.


  1. Community Web Site. Decision time.

  1. Suze reports that the community website hosting subscription is up for renewal on 13 September for just under £70 and is not sure we should maintain this current site.

  2. The web design tools are poor and this has resulted in the Twitter feeds not working on some browsers. Also, because we use the in-built design tool, we are restricted to 10 pages on the website which isn't really enough.

  3. The website can be terribly slow to load even on a PC, never mind a phone. Furthermore, it's only been accessed 4 times in the past month. Suze suggests that we cancel the website renewal and take some time to rethink what the village wants from this.

  4. The matter was discussed, and it was agreed that we should cancel the subscription.

  5. It was suggested that a more active Facebook page would be a more appropriate way to promote and co-ordinate village activity.

  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. Fife Council grant of £628.80 received. APRS subscription of £25 paid.

  2. Fife Council grant for FDG (£430) also received. Bank of Scotland balance is £1135.16, of which £431.39 is FDG money.

  3. Dunfermline Building Society £1710.29 

  4. Residents for Responsible Development £1071.92


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Bollard missing from Limekilns Park entrance. Secretary has spoken to Colin Davidson.

  2. Nessie Stewart reported that litter is regularly redistributed around the play park (by seagulls?). Secretary has asked Colin Davidson to look at the possibility of covered bins.

  3. Scottish Fire and Rescue sent out a consultation.

  4. Fife Licensing Review. Fife sent out, for consultation, a 34-page document, being the proposed new licensing policy. They gave no indication of what had changed, and expected us to comment. Secretary pointed out that this was difficult in the absence of information about what had changed! She was then provided with the information. The alterations are generally technical and mainly concern licensees.

  5. Notice of a planned Forth Bridges Festival in September 2014. Launch event on 4th September 1.30 – 4pm at Orroco Pier


  1. Cllr Stewart

  1. Cllr Stewart had been delighted to attend tennis coaching in Limekilns this summer.

  2. She expressed her surprise at the way Fife Council seems to ‘close down’ for the summer holidays!


  1. AOCB

  1. The trees growing on the embankment at Merryhill Bridge are now obscuring visibility to a dangerous degree. The land belongs to Network Rail. Kathleen will enquire if the Estate can do anything.

  2. Speeding on Overhaven. Kathryn Fairfield of Overhaven had written to Scott Blyth asking for traffic calming on the straight stretch. Scott Blyth had suggested to her that the absence of traffic calming was due to the Community Council who had opposed the proposed scheme. Secretary will write to Scott Blyth, reminding him that the concern of the Community Council had been that the scheme failed to address the most dangerous location for pedestrians which was Church Street, and imposed unnecessary numbers of ‘cushions’ elsewhere. The measures (full width cushions) that we were requesting at Church Street were eventually installed at a much later date. The CC had had no part in the removal of the full width hump which had originally been proposed for Overhaven.

  3. What is happening at the ‘Lexmark’ site? Secretary will enquire.

  4. The Community Council is still seeking more members.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 25th September 2013 at the College, Pattiesmuir.


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 25.06.13


Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Annie Nally, Geoff Cartwright


In attendance: Cllr Callaghan, Mike Graham, Doreen Kempsell, Tom Leatherland, Bill McKissock


Apologies: Kat Tebbutt, Allison MacDonald.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 29th May 2013

Following the deletion of the second sentence in 11(c), these were approved as a true record. Annie proposed, Alex seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 29th May 2013

  1. Charlestown road surface. Still in an appalling state. Cllr Callaghan will speak to Bob McLellan tomorrow.

  2. Community web site. Secretary will contact the various organisations after the summer.

  3. Rural Bins. Still no response to concerns expressed by the Estate and the Community Council. Totally inappropriate bulk bins have been placed a Broomhall entrance. Estate has objected to these. Bins have been delivered to each house on the Pattiesmuir unmade road, so it seems they will be collected from the houses. Cllr Callaghan says that there has been a 50% success rate among those who have lodged an appeal. She also says that, if a request is made, bin men will collect bins from the house if residents are unable to put them out. Nine bins were set alight in Crombie today.

  4. Path round Ballast Bank has been mowed.

  5. The end of the hedge at South Row has been cur right down.

  6. Secretary had elicited a brilliant rapid response to a phone call and has got the dog bin moved to the entrance to Ballast Bank.

  7. Secretary had visited the Inner Forth Landscape Initiative Drop In event, and had sent them some information. Annie knows someone who has a great interest in our local history.

  8. Public Toilet Review. The contents of the letter the secretary had drafted were approved.

.

  1. Police Matters.

  1. Annie reported a very worrying incident when her grandson was walking home along the Limekilns Road. Youths, driving very close, leaned out of the window and whacked him on the back of his head. Difficult to take down a registration number in these circumstances. She was concerned that the police had dismissed it as a ‘prank’.


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Pattiesmuir unmade road. Local appreciation of work done. Proper stone has been laid. Great improvement. Could do with a bit of tamping down.

  2. Flooding at Charles Way. Factor said that the Estate would be happy to talk to Fife Council about going 50/50 on the drainage work.

  3. Area behind the Manse. Space has changed in character since the new house was completed. Secretary will check with Playgroup if they are still interested in an outdoor play space.


  1. Sewage Pump at Charles Way

  1. Sewage pump is not functioning as it should, causing sewage to overflow onto the beach. Tom Leatherland has contacted SEPA.

  2. Wipes’ of any sort seem to cause problems. Secretary will deliver ‘Bag it and Bin it’ leaflets and a covering letter to Muir Homes houses.

  3. The installation at Capernaum pier is very smelly. Secretary will report this.


  1. Container Terminal

  1. On 18th June, it was announced that the Minister was minded to approve the HRO, and that it would be ‘laid before parliament on 20th June’.

  2. The letter to objectors stated that clause 17(6) had been deleted. This is of great concern because, in the view of the Joint Action Group, it strengthened the conditions that had been imposed.

  3. Joint Action Group will raise the issue with the relevant Parliamentary Committees


  1. Treasurer's Report

Secretary and Treasurer are dealing with the necessary paperwork for getting our Fife Council grant.


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Secretary has been invited to a Fife Council planning event on 22nd August.

  2. Access forum representation. Secretary apologised for having failed to mention a communication from Fife Council at the beginning of May, asking for nominations for Community Council representation on the Fife Access Forum. Beryl Leatherland has done sterling work on the Access Forum, for many years.

  3. There is an additional Access seminar meeting on 11th July.


  1. Cllr Callaghan

Nothing that has not already been discussed.


  1. AOCB

  1. Road at Pan Knowe has collapsed again. Estate is aware.

  2. Unknown individuals to be commended for the speed and efficiency with which a derelict caravan was dismantled and completely removed, having been temporarily parked at the Soapworks.

  3. Congratulations to the Floral display Group for the huge amount of work done over the past few days. Village is looking good. It is pleasing to see that private gardens are also seem to be getting tidied up, making a pleasing contribution to the whole.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 27th August 2013 at the Gellet Hall.

 


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 25.06.13


Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Annie Nally, Geoff Cartwright


In attendance: Cllr Callaghan, Mike Graham, Doreen Kempsell, Tom Leatherland, Bill McKissock


Apologies: Kat Tebbutt, Allison MacDonald.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 29th May 2013

Following the deletion of the second sentence in 11(c), these were approved as a true record. Annie proposed, Alex seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 29th May 2013

  1. Charlestown road surface. Still in an appalling state. Cllr Callaghan will speak to Bob McLellan tomorrow.

  2. Community web site. Secretary will contact the various organisations after the summer.

  3. Rural Bins. Still no response to concerns expressed by the Estate and the Community Council. Totally inappropriate bulk bins have been placed a Broomhall entrance. Estate has objected to these. Bins have been delivered to each house on the Pattiesmuir unmade road, so it seems they will be collected from the houses. Cllr Callaghan says that there has been a 50% success rate among those who have lodged an appeal. She also says that, if a request is made, bin men will collect bins from the house if residents are unable to put them out. Nine bins were set alight in Crombie today.

  4. Path round Ballast Bank has been mowed.

  5. The end of the hedge at South Row has been cur right down.

  6. Secretary had elicited a brilliant rapid response to a phone call and has got the dog bin moved to the entrance to Ballast Bank.

  7. Secretary had visited the Inner Forth Landscape Initiative Drop In event, and had sent them some information. Annie knows someone who has a great interest in our local history.

  8. Public Toilet Review. The contents of the letter the secretary had drafted were approved.

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  1. Police Matters.

  1. Annie reported a very worrying incident when her grandson was walking home along the Limekilns Road. Youths, driving very close, leaned out of the window and whacked him on the back of his head. Difficult to take down a registration number in these circumstances. She was concerned that the police had dismissed it as a ‘prank’.


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Pattiesmuir unmade road. Local appreciation of work done. Proper stone has been laid. Great improvement. Could do with a bit of tamping down.

  2. Flooding at Charles Way. Factor said that the Estate would be happy to talk to Fife Council about going 50/50 on the drainage work.

  3. Area behind the Manse. Space has changed in character since the new house was completed. Secretary will check with Playgroup if they are still interested in an outdoor play space.


  1. Sewage Pump at Charles Way

  1. Sewage pump is not functioning as it should, causing sewage to overflow onto the beach. Tom Leatherland has contacted SEPA.

  2. Wipes’ of any sort seem to cause problems. Secretary will deliver ‘Bag it and Bin it’ leaflets and a covering letter to Muir Homes houses.

  3. The installation at Capernaum pier is very smelly. Secretary will report this.


  1. Container Terminal

  1. On 18th June, it was announced that the Minister was minded to approve the HRO, and that it would be ‘laid before parliament on 20th June’.

  2. The letter to objectors stated that clause 17(6) had been deleted. This is of great concern because, in the view of the Joint Action Group, it strengthened the conditions that had been imposed.

  3. Joint Action Group will raise the issue with the relevant Parliamentary Committees


  1. Treasurer's Report

Secretary and Treasurer are dealing with the necessary paperwork for getting our Fife Council grant.


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Secretary has been invited to a Fife Council planning event on 22nd August.

  2. Access forum representation. Secretary apologised for having failed to mention a communication from Fife Council at the beginning of May, asking for nominations for Community Council representation on the Fife Access Forum. Beryl Leatherland has done sterling work on the Access Forum, for many years.

  3. There is an additional Access seminar meeting on 11th July.


  1. Cllr Callaghan

Nothing that has not already been discussed.


  1. AOCB

  1. Road at Pan Knowe has collapsed again. Estate is aware.

  2. Unknown individuals to be commended for the speed and efficiency with which a derelict caravan was dismantled and completely removed, having been temporarily parked at the Soapworks.

  3. Congratulations to the Floral display Group for the huge amount of work done over the past few days. Village is looking good. It is pleasing to see that private gardens are also seem to be getting tidied up, making a pleasing contribution to the whole.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 27th August 2013 at the Gellet Hall.

 


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 28.05.13


Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Kat Tebbutt, Annie Nally,


In attendance: Cllr Stewart, Cllr Callaghan, Doreen Kempsell, Ken Reynolds, Karen Grant, Linda MacPhee


Apologies: Tom Scott, Sheila Green, Graham Urquhart, Allison MacDonald. PC Mike Harvey


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 30th April 2013

These were approved as a true record. Lesley proposed, Alex seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 30th April 2013

  1. Village noticeboards. Erected. Everyone happy.

  2. Charlestown road surface. No apparent attention has been given to this.

  3. Community web site. Secretary still to contact PTA, Gala, Floral Display Group, Garden Club, the church and the uniformed organisations.

  4. Secretary had contacted Parks people about litter left after a football match. There had been no official booking that day!

  5. Secretary had spoken with Ron Farn about relocating a bin to Ballast Bank entrance.

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  1. Police Matters.

  1. PC Harvey had nothing significant to report from the villages.


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Pattiesmuir unmade road. Work will start on Monday.

  2. Hedge at South Row. A resident of South row reports that, when in full leaf, the hedge bt the telephone box restricts the view of drivers entering and exiting South Row. Kathleen does not believe it belongs to the Estate.

  3. Mowing at Ballast Bank. Kathleen was asked if a mown path could be maintained round the Ballast Bank. She would enquire.

  4. Secretary had observed that weed killer had been applied round the grass at the wooden houses. This was timely and appreciated.

  5. Flooding at Charles Way. Ken Reynolds expressed his dismay that so much time (and money) had been spent, achieving nothing. Fife Council had not yet served a Court order. Another meeting is planned for tomorrow to be attended by Ian Jones, Cllr Callaghan and someone from Scottish Water. Kathleen regretted that she was not available, but agreed to take a walk with Ken on another occasion so that he could appraise her of his observations.


  1. Brucehaven Crescent – access to The Wellheads.

In light of a planning application for an adjacent property, Secretary had confirmed the path’s status as a Right of Way


  1. Inner Forth Landscape Initiative

  1. IFLI people had been in touch, asking for contacts who could contribute to an overview of the history of coalmining in the coastal strip of West Fife. The deadline for response was short. Secretary had indicated that coal had been less significant than lime for these villages.

  2. She had been told a little more about the proposal for tidying up the Kilns. Historic Scotland has been involved in drawing up the proposal. It will probably involve removal of vegetation, replacement fencing, and a plan for ongoing maintenance. They are not, currently looking at Limekilns Pier.

  3. IFLI people are holding a drop in event at the Queen’s Hall on 17th June from 3.30 – 6.30pm


  1. Fife Access Seminar. This will be held at St Bryce Centre in Kirkcaldy on Weds 5th June from 9am to 1pm. Secretary will attend.


  1. Fife Council Public Toilet Review

  1. Papers relating to this were supposed to reach Community Councils by email at the beginning of April. They did not reach this CC. Secretary had now received a bundle of papers which were a little difficult to make sense of. The gist seems to be that communities are being consulted as to whether, in light of budget cuts, their toilets should be retained.

  2. The toilets at Charlestown provide an excellent facility for locals and tourists alike. Tourism is very significant to the economy of the villages. Before we can form a view, we need information about costs of keeping them open compared with the financial and social cost of maintaining or demolishing the building if they close. It would appear that the ‘comfort break’ scheme is not sufficiently robustly supported by Fife Council to be an adequate substitute.

  3. Date for responses is Monday 1st July. Secretary will draft a response.


  1. Container Terminal

There is no indication yet of when the outcome of the consultation on the modifications will be known. Forth Ports had produced a very clear and robust refutation of the whole process.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. CC Bank of Scotland £101.36, of which £1.39 is FDG money.

  2. Dunfermline Building Society £1710.29 

  3. Residents for Responsible Development £1071.81


10. Secretary's Report.

Forth Rail Bridge – application for World Heritage Site status.


  1. Cllr Callaghan

  1. Threatened closure of Crombie School. The loss of the school would be devastating for the village community. Fife Council have failed to assess it against ‘rural school criteria’. As Limekilns Nursery building is unlikely to provide accommodation in the long-term, there is perhaps scope for using the Crombie building for Nursery. The idea of transferring pupils to Cairneyhill makes little sense in terms of connections, geography and catchment.

  2. Suggests that it would be good to tidy up the War memorial in light of centenary commemoration next year. Cllr Callaghan was assured that the Floral Display Group and others were ‘on the case’. There’s funding from the Scottish Government for schools to do projects on First World War.

  3. Cllr Callaghan had visited Babcock to find out about submarine Dismantling and the container Terminal. She would find out who she had met and Secretary would email her further information.

  1. Cllr Stewart

  1. Apologised for her absence from previous meetings.

  2. Had also been involved with the Crombie School threatened closure.

  3. Deeply concerned about the emerging effects of the Welfare Reform Bill. She was aware of a number of vulnerable individuals who had been severely affected both by the ‘Bedroom Tax’ and the alterations to Disability Living Allowance. The DWP have had to take on extra staff to deal with the changes, thus creating additional costs in the system.

  4. Very impressed with the two local members to the Scottish Youth Parliament who she had met.

  5. Concerned at high incidence of strokes in West Fife.

  6. Looking to do a survey of where dropped kerbs are required. Our villages are fairly well-supplied after our protracted campaign.


  1. AOCB

a) High Hedges Bill had become law


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 25th June 2013 at the Gellet Hall.


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 30.4.13


Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry (from 7.40pm), Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Kat Tebbutt, Geoff Cartwright, Tom Scott,


In attendance: Charlie Reid Thomas, PC Harvey, Bill McKissock, Stuart Webster, Tom Leatherland, Doreen Kempsell, Evelyn Gibson


Apologies: Annie Nally, Sheila Green, Cllr Stewart, Cllr Callaghan, Cllr Clelland,


Alex Hill took the chair in the absence of Peter Curry.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 26th March 2013

These were approved as a true record. Lesley proposed, Peter seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 26th March 2013

  1. Commonwealth Games legacy funding. Kat still to follow this up.

  2. Secretary had written a note of thanks to Paul Hendy.

  3. Parking in Main Street. Bollards have been installed outside old Post Office !!!

  4. Scotways signs. Signs at the foot of the run have been reinstated along with ‘heritage panels’.

  5. Consultation on Fife’s Planning performance. Secretary had written a full response – and to her amazement got an appreciative response from Jim Birrell.

  6. Village noticeboards. Continued frustration in identifying a new location, which will then require planning approval.

  7. Charlestown road surface. No apparent attention has been given to this.

  8. Community web site. Secretary still to contact PTA, Gala, Floral Display Group, Garden Club, the church and the uniformed organisations.

  9. Gifford House. It seems that Transportation would be happy with the garage development, so long as the original vehicular access is closed off.

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  1. Police Matters.

  1. PC Harvey had nothing significant to report from the villages.

  2. The community team should be back up to strength soon, and shift patterns should allow officers to work in pairs.

  3. Off road underage, un-helmeted bikers reported again

  4. No, an air gun may not be used, except with the landowner’s permission.

  5. Parking on the pavement. It has to be a matter of judgment and common sense.

  6. Keep your eyes open. Record car registration numbers.


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Pattiesmuir unmade road. On Monday there will be a meeting with Charlie Reid Thomas, Kathleen Kirkpatrick and Pattiesmuir residents to discuss the road repair which is planned to take place over the next two weeks. Currently, the Intention is to use tar planing to fill pot holes. Still eventually looking to building of two more houses, with accompanying adopted road access.

  2. Planning Review Panel overturned the refusal of Planning Permission in Principle for Old Foundry Cottage site.

  3. Inner Forth Landscape Initiative people had been in touch with the Estate. They have a deadline for 3rd May! They had looked at Limekilns Pier and the Kilns. It looks as if they will have a project to tidy up the Kilns, and train volunteers to maintain them thereafter.

  4. Estate will be seeking Listed Building consent for the refurbishment of the Sutlery building and to bring the flats back into use.

  5. Flooding at Charles Way. No Order has yet been served. CRT says that the Estate is happy to work jointly with Fife Council.

  6. Pheasants are causing damage to gardens and grief to gardeners.



  1. Rural bin collection

  1. Fife Council has written individually to all householders who do not currently have a multiple bin collection service. The letter suggests that bins will only be emptied at lane-ends on the roadside. One of the major factors quoted is ‘the whole body vibration’ suffered by the bin men. No account seems to have been taken of the added hazard to both bin men and residents and other drivers of bins being dealt with on the roadside.

  2. Many tenants of Broomhall Estate are affected.

  3. The Secretary has written to Fife Council expressing concern about the cases she had heard about. The deadline for residents to appeal the arrangements was Sunday last.


  1. Container Terminal

Deadline for responses to the modifications to the Harbour Revision Order is this Thursday. Members of the Joint Action Group have been very busy getting their responses in.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. CC Bank of Scotland £201.36, of which £1.39 is FDG money. £100 still to be paid for noticeboard installation.

  2. Dunfermline Building Society £1710.29 

  3. Residents for Responsible Development £1071.81


10. Secretary's Report.

Insurance Liability Certificate received.


  1. Councillor Slot.

No councillors


12. AOCB

a) Beach clean was excellent. About 80 folks involved.

b) A group of volunteers also cleared Limekilns Park of the accumulation of litter there. It was disappointing that, on the very next day, the Sunday footballers had messed it up again with their own litter.

c) A group who cleaned up the Ballast Bank reported the need for a waste bin at the ‘gate’ where people park. If folk do not find a bin there, they seem to just throw their pooh bags in the vegetation.

d) Community Council membership is still short of the full complement. Folk are encouraged to come along and see and hear what we do.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 28th May 2013 at the Gellet Hall. AGM at 7.30pm. Ordinary meeting, at approximately 7.50 pm.

 

 

 


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 26.03.13


Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry (from 7.40pm), Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Kat Tebbutt, Ian Cruikshanks, Sheila Green,


In attendance: Paul Hendy, Cllr Callaghan, Kathleen Kilpatrick, Ken Reynolds, Bill McKissock, Gaye McKissock, Tom Leatherland, Beryl Leatherland, Doreen Kempsell


Apologies: Annie Nally, PC Harvey, Geoff Cartwright, Tom Scott, Cllr Stewart, Cllr Clelland, Bill Walker.


Alex Hill took the chair in the absence of peter Curry.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 26th February 2013

These were approved as a true record. Lesley proposed, Alex seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 26th February 2013

  1. Completion of works at Church Street. Secretary had met with Bob Aimer. We’re not getting the footway surfaced. Sec pointed out the ‘trip’ at the raised corner of a BT manhole cover.

  2. Signs at village entrance. Looking good. No Estate Agent signs now.

  3. Charlestown toilets still open. Cllr Callaghan said they had been saved from closure. Thanks Alice.

  4. Commonwealth Games legacy funding. Kat still to follow this up. Secretary has another flier from supplier of all-age activity kit.

  5. Parking in Main Street. Bollards still to be installed outside old Post Office. Sec will chase.

  6. Anti-skid surfacing at the Limekilns junction in poor state.

  7. Scotways signs. Signs at the foot of the run will be reinstated when heritage panels arrive.

  8. Village noticeboards. Problem with Limekilns location by the bus stop. Alistair Campbell will use his cable detector to see if there is a location where there are no buried utilities.

  9. Fife Plan. Main Issues Report consultation. Secretary had responded as agreed.


  1. Paul Hendy, Scottish Flood Forum. (Taken before item 2: Matters Arising)

  1. Paul explained the role of the Scottish Flood Forum in supporting and advising those living in flood-prone or flood-affected communities. He commended Fife Council for having set aside £400,000 for flood preparedness. They would supply ‘pods’ with flood protection equipment such as door barriers to vulnerable communities. He would be happy to come to the villages and make a presentation, explaining what equipment is recommended and were it can be obtained. He suggested a meeting held from 4pm to 6pm. He gave us copies of the Scottish Flood Forum leaflet ‘Ready for Winter’. (Paul spoke with Ken Reynolds about the difficulties he was having in achieving any action from the various parties.) Paul was thanked for his time.

  2. Flooding at Charles Way. Fife Council is to serve the Estate with a court order to take action to prevent water flowing onto the roadway. Kathleen suggested that it would be passed to the Estate’s solicitors when it arrived. The meeting expressed its regret that resources (of both the Estate and Fife Council) might be spent on legal fees, rather than in working together to achieve a satisfactory solution.

  3. Floodline initiative. No more information on which properties have been contacted by SEPA

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  1. Police Matters. PC Harvey had nothing significant to report from the villages.


  1. Broomhall Estate.

Pattiesmuir unmade road. No progress, due to bad weather.


  1. Planning

  1. Fife Council’s Planning performance consultation. Secretary had not printed a copy of this. She would circulate it to members.


  1. Submarine dismantling Decision

  1. Following an extensive consultation, the MOD had decided that they would demonstrate the initial dismantling process by removing all the radioactive waste from one submarine at Rosyth.

  2. Subject to successful conclusion of this demonstration, it is intended to carry out dismantling of the remaining submarines at both Rosyth and Devonport. (There are seven at Rosyth.)


  1. Container Terminal

  1. The report (463 pages) by the Reporters has been completed and sent to objectors. The recommendation of the Reporters is that a Harbour Revision Order may be granted, but only with substantial modifications. These ‘substantial modifications’ are now subject to a 42 day consultation period.

  2. The Report is a very thorough document, and the arguments made by all the parties have been subject to careful analysis. It is clear that the participation of the Joint Action Group (representing the Community Council and objectors from the villages) was respected and valued by the Reporters.

  3. Some of the modifications proposed are favourable to the villages, but a number of our concerns have not been addressed.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. CC Bank of Scotland total £5508.46. (CC £464.62 Floral Displays £5043.84)

  2. Dunfermline Building Society £1708.44 

  3. Residents for Responsible Development £1071.71


10. Secretary's Report.

a) 76 bus service. With barely a day’s notice, the 76 bus service had been reduced to once every 75 minutes to allow for delays caused by the road works. Secretary had asked for copies of the timetable to be attached to each bus stop as they had been on previous occasions.

b) The deteriorating surface on the road out of Charlestown had been the subject of a letter to the Press. Secretary had followed it up with Ian Jones. They might patch pot-holes, but it won’t get into the repair programme until 2014-15

c) NHS Fife are looking for public representation on their Victoria Hospital car parking review group. Meeting discussed the paucity of parking provision and the particular difficulties it poses for people from West Fife who might use public transport, but no-one volunteered to join the group.

d) West Fife Villages Community Planning Group to be renamed West Fife Villages Community Project Group. A meeting on April 17th will ratify that.

e) Community web site. The web site at www.clpg.org.uk is a brilliant facility, thanks to Suze Anderson’s hard work. However, it could be better used. Suze hopes that the Community Council can encourage more use of it by village organisations to publicise their events. Suze has offered training to anyone who wants to use it but needs to know more. Secretary will contact PTA, Gala, Floral Display Group, Garden Club, the church and the uniformed organisations.


  1. Councillor Slot.

Cllr Callaghan had nothing to raise beyond what had already been discussed.


12. AOCB

a) Beach clean is being organised for 20th April. Kat Tebbutt is co-ordinating it on behalf of the Floral Displays Group. Thanks Kat

b) Community Council membership. There are currently 4 unfilled places for ‘elected’ members on the Community Council. Ian Cruikshanks is content to remain as a co-opted member (along with Tom Scott). Folk are encouraged to come along and see and hear what we do.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 30th April 2013 at the Gellet Hall.

 


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 26.02.13


Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Lesley Scott, Annie Nally, Alex Hill, Allison MacDonald, Ian Cruikshanks, Charlie Reid Thomas


In attendance: PC Harvey, Ken Reynolds, Bill McKissock, Gaye McKissock, Tom Leatherland.


Apologies: Kat Tebbutt, Graham Urquhart, Geoff Cartwright, Sheila Green, Tom Scott, Cllr Callaghan,

Cllr Stewart,


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 29th January 2013

These were approved as a true record. Lesley proposed, Alex seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 29th January 2013

  1. Completion of works at Church Street. Secretary was to have met a Bob Aimer today, but the meeting has been put off until Thursday.

  2. No Through Road’ signs at Red Row and Elgin Hotel have been erected!

  3. Signs at village entrance. McEwen Fraser Legal sign still an unnecessary intrusion.

  4. Charlestown toilets still open. We must ensure they survive the review which is currently underway

  5. Commonwealth Games legacy funding. Kat still to follow this up.

  6. Parking in Main Street. Bollards still to be installed outside old Post Office.

  7. White lines and anti-skid surface on A985. White lines have been renewed between Lexmark roundabout and Hilton road junction. Anti-skid surfacing at the Limekilns junction in poor state.

  8. Scotways signs. Signs at the foot of the run still to be reinstated. ‘Heritage’ panel text has been finalised, and panels will be ordered.

  9. Village noticeboards will be erected on Friday this week. Lesley and Annie have keys. Secretary has drafted a notice giving details of funding for the boards. We also need a note for the board which gives Lesley’s and Annie’s phone numbers and guidelines for preferred size and shape of notices, and the priorities for use of the space.

  10. Flooding at Charles Way. Fife Council has written to the Estate, serving them with notice of their responsibility to prevent water flowing onto the roadway. It is the Estate’s responsibility to maintain drainage infrastructure. It seems that the main ditch down to Overhaven is choked with vegetation and may not be doing its job. The management of cultivation of the field behind 1 and 2 Charles Court has also changed in that, in the past, the lowest part was rarely ploughed and seemed to act as a more effective sink for surface water. Charlie Reid Thomas acknowledged that he had received Ken Reynolds’ letter earlier this month.

  11. SEPA Floodline initiative. Moira Adams had received the letter about possible storm surge vulnerability, but Tom Leatherland had not, nor had Halketts Hall residents. Gaye explained that this was a major initiative to identify areas of vulnerability to flooding. Local and National Flood Risk Management Plans are being drawn up.

  12. Gaye had, through her work, met Paul Hendy of the Scottish Flood Forum. He will come to our March meeting and explain the role of the Forum and what support and advice they can provide.

  13. Secretary hopes still to resolve bin situation at the Church Hall.

  14. Signing up to Planning Democracy manifesto. The meeting agreed to sign up to the manifesto


  1. Police Matters. (Taken before item 2: Matters Arising)

  1. There were no new leads on the thefts reported last month.

  2. Police had attended a reported theft of heating oil, but there was no evidence of tampering.

  3. There had been an accident at the Limekilns junction at lunchtime today. No-one had information about the circumstances. We all still agree that a roundabout is necessary.


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Pattiesmuir unmade road. No progress, due to bad weather. Road is still in a very bad state. The Estate is no longer planning to provide drainage on the road edge because of possible gas pipe.

  2. Charlie Reid Thomas said that Pattiesmuir village envelope, in the new Local Plan, now includes the two house plots and, when planning permission is sought, proposals would include the making of a proper adopted road to serve the plots. Building would be subject to improvement to the junction with main road to improve sight lines.

  3. Notwithstanding this, in the meantime, the whole length of road needs to be made up properly with hard core. Residents should not be subject to the risks of negotiating this ‘road’.


  1. Planning

  1. Fife Plan Main Issues Report. The meeting agreed that we maintain our objection to the submitted sites which are virtually identical to those which had been found to be not required in the Finalised Dunfermline and West Fife Local Plan.

  2. Charlie Reid Thomas suggested that building on the land west of the cricket pitch would be viewed as an ‘enabling development’ for repairs at the Harbour and the Kilns. He suggested that the acres of ‘Broomhall’ land allocated for housing in the Local Plan could be years away from any implementation, and that smaller sites could come forward more quickly.


  1. Container Terminal

  1. There is no indication as to what the Transport minister is doing with the Reporters’ report, or how long it would take for a decision to be announced.

  2. Members of the Joint Action Group had met MSPs from four parties to express their concern about the inadequacy of the necessary preliminary investigations, and the absence of strong enough conditions to protect our community. Willie Rennie and Annabelle Ewing had expressed their willingness to endorse a letter from us specifying the necessary conditions.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. CC Bank of Scotland total £5498.46. (CC £454.62 Floral Displays £5043.84)

  2. Cheque for Noticeboards of £2934.65 (made up of Fife Council Grant, FDG transfer of £800, CC contribution of £364.65 and Pilates fund transfer of £195) has been paid.

  3. Dunfermline Building Society £1708.44 

  4. Residents for Responsible Development £1071.71


12. Secretary's Report.

  1. Data Protection Act subscription has been paid (to be reimbursed by Fife Council)

  2. Training is to be offered to community groups on issues like ‘Setting up as Charity’, ‘Community Right to Buy’ etc. These are on the afternoons of Tuesdays 16th and 23rd of April. More information from claire.hynd@fife.gov.uk

  3. Secretary had received a letter from ‘Drug and Alcohol Project Ltd’ offering to come and speak to a meeting. It was agreed that it is not our remit to speak on behalf of the organisation or promote it in any way, but we would invite them to provide a poster for our notice board, or perhaps the noticeboard at the doctors’ surgery. Concern was expressed about how difficult it seems to be for vulnerable individuals to negotiate the obstacles encountered by those trying to access support.


13 . Councillors. No Councillors. No Report. No issues were raised.


14. AOCB

  1. Toilet sign at the Ship Inn. After extensive efforts by Ian, he has persuaded Fife Council to provide a sensible sign indicating that publicly available toilets are available at the Ship Inn.

  2. Floral Displays Group is holding a fund-raising Coffee Morning on March 23rd in the Church Hall from 10am – 12 noon.

  3. Two traffic cones on the pavement opposite Surgery.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 26th March 2013 at the Gellet Hall.

 

 


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 29.01.13


Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Lesley Scott, Annie Nally, Kat Tebbutt, Alex Hill, Sheila Green,


In attendance: Cllr Callaghan, Kathleen Kilpatrick, Ken Reynolds, Bill McKissock, Stuart Webster, Doreen Kempsell, Tom Leatherland.


Apologies: Graham Urquhart, Geoff Cartwright, Allison MacDonald, Cllr Stewart,


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 27th November 2012

These were approved as a true record. Lesley proposed, Alex seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 27th November 2012

  1. Completion of works at Church Street. Secretary has reported need for resurfacing of the footway and black paint touch-up on the lamp posts,

  2. No Through Road’ signs at Red Row and Elgin Hotel. They will be erected tomorrow!

  3. Signs at village entrance. The entrance to Limekilns had been much tidier of late – until McEwen Fraser Legal sign had gone up again at the end of last week.

  4. Charlestown toilets are open again. We need to be sure they survive the review which is currently underway

  5. Flooding in Main Street. Secretary had received an update from Scottish Water: I can confirm the wet well at the pumping station has been cleaned and the pumps inspected. In addition the survey of the sewer network downstream of the pumping station and outfall pipe has been completed and the sewer has been cleaned removing the grease and fat that was identified within the sewer pipes. It is very important that residents phone our customer helpline on 0845 601 8855 whenever they witness sewage spilling from the sewers as we can arrange for the area to be cleaned up and this will be the most accurate way for us to monitor the extent and frequency of the problem at this location.

  6. Commonwealth Games legacy funding. Kat still to follow this up.

  7. Parking in Main Street. Bollards still to be installed outside old Post Office.

  8. Christmas Tree on Limekilns Green had been a great success. Thanks to all who had a part in making it happen.

  9. Toilet facilities, Limekilns Park. Secretary wrote to South West Area Committee. Detailed reply from Cllr Clelland, explaining how Fife Council couldn’t do anything because of the cost involved. CC members expressed their concern about the hygiene issues that arise. Perhaps Press publicity would help get the message to anyone bringing children to the park that they need to consider how they will access toilet facilities. Perhaps Fife Council could erect a notice highlighting the absence of toilet facilities. Human faeces had recently been found at the top of the red slide.

  10. Street Lighting upgrade at the Roundalls etc. All lighting columns are being replaced. Work will be completed next week.

  11. Wreaths at the War Memorial. Sue has secured the wreaths and poppies with plastic mesh.

  12. White lines and anti-skid surface on A985. For over a year, there have been requests to BEAR to renew the white lining between Rosyth and Limekilns, particularly opposite Hilton Steadings. The work is weather-dependent, but the length of time taken is now unacceptable. The Secretary has also reported the eroded state of the anti-skid surfacing at the Limekilns junction.

  13. Green Bins. There has been a second occasion when green bin day coincided with gales, with plastic bags flying all over the villages. Officers say it has not been reported as a problem elsewhere! Secretary hopes to get the bin situation at the Church Hall rationalized sometime soon


  1. Police Matters. (Taken before item 2: Matters Arising)

  1. The recent spate of thefts in the villages has been a matter of great concern to the police. These range from the theft of a JCB from the Old Orchard, a substantial sum of money from a house in Charlestown, power tools and a kitchen appliance from a house undergoing renovation, and a number of intrusions into houses and cars, the doors of which had been left unlocked.

  2. The police have allocated a dedicated CID officer to the area. There was no scene of crime evidence, so information is still being sought on possible perpetrators. Police have upped their presence in the villages, with plain clothes officers patrolling and sometimes stopping vehicles travelling to and from the villages at night.

  3. Villagers need to be vigilant. Police would prefer 10 ‘calls of good intent’ which prove to be innocent, to one report of an incident where someone’s property has been violated. In particular, the most useful thing you can do is note the registration numbers of vehicles you consider suspicious.

  4. Scottish Police reorganization. Fife will be a division of the Scottish Police. It will be amalgamated under one Assistant Chief Constable with Lothian and Borders and Central. Some cost savings are to be achieved over the next three years – mainly through reductions in salary costs of high ranking officers. There should not be noticeable changes at community level.

  5. Draft National Policing Plan. Secretary had been sent a copy.

  6. Dunfermline Police Station is to be sold. A purpose-built cell block is being constructed at Glenrothes. Cllr Callaghan hoped that this was not a omen of more centralization to come.

  7. Cannabis smokers are again in evidence at the turning circle. This is of concern, since they will be driving away under the influence. Police patrol regularly, but note registration numbers.


  1. Core Paths and Scotways signs

  1. Small Core Path roundels have been erected, following the approval of the Fife Core Paths scheme. Secretary had received a complaint that the erectors of the poles had left mud on the pavement!

  2. Quad bikes on the Core Path. An individual had been identified and spoken to be the police. The same individual had made a mess of the path through the woods at Windylaw by churning up the already muddy path.

  3. Lord Elgin has made some helpful suggestions about wording on the Scotways Heritage Plaques.

  4. Having been repeatedly interfered with, the Scotways signs at the foot of The Run disappeared completely! This was reported to the police and the signs were eventually recovered. They will be reinstated, and photographic evidence of their reinstatement will be provided to the police.


  1. Village Noticeboards

  1. Planning permission. Received. Condition that the Limekilns one should have space in front of it for people to stand without standing in the road.

  2. Funding. Now in place.

  3. Boards should arrive in early February. Colin Davidson and John McQueen have been alerted.


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Pattiesmuir unmade road. The weather has been awful. The Estate admitted that the temporary repairs had been unsatisfactory due to the nature of the material used to fill the pot holes. Work is still planned to provide drainage on the road edge and proper fill materials.

  2. Estate has appealed the refusal of permission for building a dwelling on the Ironmill Cottage site.


  1. Flooding at Charles Way

  1. Ken Reynolds of 4 Havens Edge gave a detailed presentation of the ongoing serious consequences of the flow of water off Broomhall Estate land. Run-off from the fields which subsequently flows down Haven’s Edge has been an issue of concern to Mr Reynolds who has been reporting the problem to various bodies since 2008. It has become critical this winter.

  2. There is no definitive plan of surface water drainage anywhere in the records of Fife Council or Scottish Water. Fife Council have carried out various surveys and drain clearing to little apparent avail.

  3. There is to be another meeting between Fife Council and the Estate this week. It is to be hoped that they can find a way to work together to effect a solution to this problem.

  4. Mr Reynolds wishes to alert the community to an issue that is relevant to a number of properties in Havens Edge, Charles Way, and Overhaven.


  1. SEPA Floodline Initiative

SEPA has contacted the Community Council this week to publicise their ‘Floodline’ initiative. The purpose of this is to alert householders who may be at risk of coastal flooding. Affected properties are likely to receive a direct mailing shortly.


  1. Planning

  1. Fife Plan Main Issues Report. The next Local Plan will be Fife wide. Landowners and developers were invited to submit proposals for development. The proposals for our villages and the land between us and Rosyth are almost identical to the proposals which were put forward and subsequently rejected for the Dunfermline and West Fife Approved Plan. The only new proposal is for development at the ‘soapworks’ garages by the Scout Hut. The plan can be viewed on line. Put Fifeplan into Fifedirect. There are three volumes of proposal maps. Charlestown, Limekilns, and Rosyth are in Volumes 1, 2 and 3 respectively.

  2. Certificate of Lawfulness’. This is what you have to apply for if you want to know whether you need planning permission for relatively small domestic alterations outwith the Conservation Area. Everything in the Conservation Area needs planning permission, so don’t bother requesting a Certificate of Lawfulness!

  3. Land at Brucehaven Crescent. Cllr Callaghan is still following up the request by residents of Byways to purchase land behind their garage.


  1. Container Terminal

Scottish Ministers received the Reporters’ report on 31st December.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. Floral displays: £5842.45 (including residue of Fife Council grant of £1.39) in BoS account.

  2. Also in BoS account, £489.62.62 of Community Council funds.

  3. Dunfermline Building Society Account: £1903.44 (includes £195 Pilates donation).

  4. Residents for Responsible Development: £1,071.60


12. Secretary's Report.

  1. Dog Fouling. Charlestown Resident had reported serious dog fouling. Beryl said it was bad on the coastal path. Secretary said that this was the time of year when most complaints were received. Grass isn’t growing. Temperature is too low for rapid rotting. Sara, the dog walker used to pick up all poos, whether or not they came from ‘her’ dogs. She now no longer walks the Limekilns paths.

  2. UK Honours system. Invitation to nominate someone for an honour.

  3. Planning Democracy. Secretary distributed copies of Planning Democracy’s manifesto. Community Councils are asked if they will endorse the manifesto. Members will read it before the next meeting. An on-line version is available at www.planningdemocracy.org.uk.

  4. Loch Leven Walkathon. We are asked to publicise this fund raiser on 24th March for Chest, Heart and Stroke Scotland.

  5. Consultation on redesigning Community Justice. This seems to be aimed at rationalizing the way it is organised.

  6. Winter Resilience. Secretary had received two Government booklets suggesting that communities should design their own emergency plans.


14. AOCB

  1. Segways’ cannot be legally used on roads, footways, or Core Paths.

  2. Exit from Limekilns is getting worse. It used to be a case of waiting for a gap in continuous east-bound traffic. West-bound traffic is now equally heavy. Peter reported that traffic had not even given way to a blue-light vehicle waiting to turn right.

  3. Paths round the Ballast Bank have, in the past been mown by the Estate. This was helpful.



Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 26th February 2013 at the Gellet Hall.

 


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 27.11.12


Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Lesley Scott, Annie Nally, Graham Urquhart, Kat Tebbutt, Geoff Cartwright,


In attendance: Kathleen Kilpatrick, Doreen Kempsell


  1. Apologies: Alex Hill, Tom Scott, Sheila Green, Cllr Stewart, Cllr Callaghan, Bill Walker


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 30th October 2012

These were approved as a true record. Lesley proposed, Annie seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 30th October 2012

  1. Letter Box. In response to yet another email from the Secretary, Madge Lamberty had written describing the complex process of taking the box ‘off suspension’ on 30th November and thereafter it will feature as a ‘missed collection’ etc etc. In fact, after the meeting it was reported that it has already been re-opened!!

  2. Completion of works at Church Street. Earlier this week, the two redundant lamp posts have been removed!! We now await resurfacing.

  3. No Through Road’ signs at Red Row and Elgin Hotel. Secretary had spoken to Scott Blyth. Even though these are standard signs, they have to be ordered from an external supplier who has an 8 week delivery time!

  4. Footpath Project. Signs on the pole at the foot of The Run have again been turned round. Secretary has yet to ask the neighbouring property if they can keep an eye on it. Alistair Lawson has written proposed text for the ‘Heritage Plaques’. The wording awaits lord Elgin’s approval.

  5. Limekilns Road now subject to a different set of traffic lights. Meeting wondered why they could not have been carried out when the road was closed to most traffic!

  6. Lane by Telephone Exchange. When rubble and tree stumps have been removed by the Estate Floral Displays Group will arrange some planters or planting at the Church Street end..

  7. Signs at village entrance. Meeting agreed that the continued presence of signs at the village entrance was little more than advertising. One has now been up for more than 4 months. Secretary would enquire what planning regulations are.

  8. Bollard at Limekilns Park entrance. Has been repaired!!

  9. Charlestown toilets have re-opened!! Cllr Callaghan had received an update from Damian Woods explaining the situation concerning the cleaner’s sick leave. A notice has now appeared saying the toilets will be closed from December 4th until January 4th for staff holidays!

  10. Rosyth churchyard. Sharron McColl not available for this meeting. Will arrange another date.

  11. Flooding at Haven’s Edge. Scottish Water have carried out camera investigations to assess the capacity of the road drains.

  12. Flooding in Main Street. Lisa Lewry had received a report of Scottish Water’s findings, but Secretary had heard nothing, but now has a brief report. There have been problems with a valve at the pumps. There is also an issue of fat accumulation in some of the pipes. A ‘vactor’ will be brought in. The condition of the outfall pipe has been surveyed, but no report yet.

  13. Commonwealth Games legacy funding. Kat is exploring further the idea of ‘Fresh air fitness’ or similar equipment. It is likely to require matched funding. The school is also exploring this source of funding. Kat will keep in touch with Ailsa Swankie.

  14. Parking in Main Street. Secretary had spoken to Iain Henderson who had determined that dedesignating the footway as footway as a step too far. However, he and Ian Jones had agreed that, exceptionally, they are planning to put a bollard on the footway near the letter box. Secretary had had a conversation with the driver of a Fife Council glass collection vehicle which she had noticed driving through the Main Street (and on the footway). He has to come through the Main Street in case there is a bin out at the King’s Cellar. He says this is very rare.

  15. Christmas Tree. Following the absence of enthusiasm on the part of the Community Council to take this on, a group involving members of the Floral Display Group and the landlord and patrons of the Bruce Arms has taken on the project with enthusiasm. This is excellent news. A tree has been promised by Broomhall Estate.

  16. Toilet facilities. Limekilns park. Secretary has still to write to the South West Area Committee.

  17. Hole in the road at Red Row. The broken manhole cover has been safely covered, pending replacement by Scottish Water.


  1. Police Matters.

  1. After a long period with no contact, PC Harvey had been in touch today. The new inspector thinks there is value in community police attending Community Council meetings as and when there is the opportunity or need. This would be alongside the continuing Community Engagement meetings. PC Harvey was not available to attend tonight, but Secretary had said he would be made very welcome when he could attend. She has added him to the circulation list for the minutes.

  2. There have been a number of thefts from unlocked cars in the villages. Police advice is to always lock house and car doors. An individual with a head torch was reported to the Police in connection with his suspicious behavior around parked cars in Pattiesmuir.


  1. Village Noticeboards

  1. Planning permission. Planning Applications were returned because they didn’t apparently tick all the boxes. Secretary had managed to meet a helpful officer for five minutes at New City House to sort out the apparent omissions. Signs have now gone up at the bus shelters. After a phone call from Planning there had been further discussion about the possible concern from Transportation about a noticeboard encouraging parking and causing an obstruction. Secretary had restated the proposed position of the noticeboards, and it seemed to be agreed that there was no problem.

  2. Funding. The funding application by the Community Council to the Fife Council local area budget for £1735 had been successful. It had been hoped that £1000 of floral display lottery money was available, but it now seems that his may be only £800. The total cost is £3234.65 (including Planning permission costs, delivery and installation by Community Services). Funds now confirmed as available are: £3035 (£1735 grant, £800 FDG, £500 CC – including £195 from Pilates).


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Reminder that logs are for sale by the Estate @£65 per m3.

  2. Pattiesmuir unmade road. There had been considerable press interest following the publication of an article about the difficulties encountered by the elderly residents of the cottage at the end of the road in negotiating their way through puddles and pot-holes.

  3. Geoff Cartwright, who’s property is also on this road, provided an overview and a potted history of the efforts of residents to achieve a resolution to this issue. The Estate has, on occasion, filled potholes, but the material used has been too mobile to be effective.

  4. Kathleen said that the Estate would begin work to dig drainage channels on either side of the road and thereafter bring in some Type 1 stone to fill the pot-holes.

  5. It was suggested that it would be helpful if the Estate were to contact residents with this information before work begins.


  1. Replacement Street Lighting

  1. Red Row. Despite best efforts Secretary has not discovered who it is in Transportation or Planning who decides what style of lamp post we have. She was told there could be no justification for period columns on Red Row, because there was no historic evidence that there had been any in the past. Secretary sent them a copy of the historic photographs of four wee boys on Red Row where a street lamp is clearly in evidence. Community Council agreed that, having got them on Brucehaven Road, at Murrell Lane and on Church Street, it would give a sense of completeness to put them on Red Row as well. It should always be borne in mind that the Community Council never asked for ‘period’ lamp posts anywhere.

  2. Roundalls, Loanheads, Sandilands and Orchard Square. Soon after the last meeting it transpired that lighting columns were also being replaced in Sandilands and Orchard Square as well as in the whole of the Roundalls, Loanheads estate. While installation of modern columns makes complete sense in the latter location, the newly adopted Local Plan makes a point of including Sandilands and Orchard Square in the Conservation Area. It seems that this fact has been ignored in the decision to put modern columns here! A modicum of consistency in policy would be helpful.

  1. Container Terminal

The web site now says that the Reporters expect to report to Scottish Ministers in December.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. Floral displays: £6455.36 (including residue of Fife Council grant of £1.39) in BoS account.

  2. Also in BoS account, £329.62 of Community Council funds.

  3. Outgoings this month £160 for planning applications and £40 for OS map extracts (which will be reclaimed in the Fife Locality budget grant).

  4. Dunfermline Building Society Account: £1903.44 (includes £195 Pilates donation).

  5. Residents for Responsible Development: £1,071.60


10. Secretary's Report.

  1. Letter from Scottish Water saying they are carrying out a customer survey. There were only two questions, one relating to price and the other to level of investment. The gist of the survey seemed to be do people want a better service with higher prices or a lesser service with prices only rising with inflation.

  2. Inner Forth Landscape Initiative. Secretary had attended a ‘workshop’ meeting at High Valleyfield Community Centre on 22nd of November. Communities are asked to submit proposals or ideas for projects by the beginning of December! The three themes of culture, nature and access, and projects will be selected from as wide a geographical area as possible. Funding for individual projects will be limited and other funding will be required. Fife Council is the only Local Authority which has not signed up as a full partner to the Initiative.

  3. Scottish Health Campaigns Network. This is an internet-based network established by two Community Councillors from the West, so that communities across Scotland can find out about and discuss Health Service Issues which may be common across different Health Board areas.

  4. Request for suggestions for a name for the new Library / Gallery building in Kirkcaldy. This request was met with a bemused silence by all present!

  5. Fife winter gritting programme. Booklet has been published. Information about policy and implementation is available on line at www.fifedirect.org.uk/winter

  6. Secretary has a suggestion for securing wreathes and their poppies more securely to the War memorial.

  7. Wind Turbine Community Liaison Group. We received an invitation to attend a meeting of this one concerning proposed turbines at Knock Hill. It will be interesting to learn how the community benefit payments will be shared.

  8. Community Safety partnership Annual Report has been published. No response to Secretary’s request to be sent it electronically.

  9. West Fife Citizen of the Year presentation event this Friday. Not something that we have heard much about. Apparently the award process had been suspended for two years.

  10. A985. Secretary and a resident have, over a period of more than a year sought to get the white lining renewed beside Hilton Farm. Secretary continues to chase for action. She has also requested the renewal of the anti-skid surface at the Limekilns junction.


14. AOCB

  1. Bins. Some residents find that the green bin is not big enough. Stephanie Newstead is the person to contact at Fife Council.

  2. Request to Estate to fill the potholes that are again developing at the north east corner of Charlestown Green alongside the Grasscrete.

  3. People are invited to submit names for the new bridge.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 29th January 2013 at the Gellet Hall.

 


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE COLLEGE, PATTIESMUIR ON 25.9.12


Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Graham Urquhart, Lesley Scott, Annie Nally, Sheila Green, Kat Tebbutt, Alex Hill, Allison MacDonald,


  1. In attendance: Barbara McKenzie, Charlie Reid Thomas, Cllr Alice Callaghan, Cllr Kate Stewart, Gaye McKissock, Bill McKissock,


  1. Apologies: Geoff Cartwright, Cllr Bobby Clelland, (Peter Curry for late arrival). Alex Hill kindly agreed to take the Chair.

  1. Minutes of the meeting of 28th August 2012

These were approved as a true record. Sheila proposed, Annie seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 28th August 2012

  1. Letter Box. Secretary’s contact with Madge at Royal Mail had dried up. She hopes she is making more progress by direct contact with Woodmill Sorting Office.

  2. Completion of works at Church Street. Fife Council are ‘waiting for Scottish Power’. Apparently they wait forever, and have no service level agreement.

  3. No Through Road’ signs at Red Row and at The Elgin Hotel. Secretary had sent Scott Blyth a picture of the one at The Wellheads. He has agreed to erect the two we have asked for.

  4. Footpath Project. Pole at the foot of The Run has been secured.

  5. Someone came from SEPA to look at Sewage-related debris and Enteromorpha growth on our beaches.

  6. Liggars Bridge road works. Road should have re-opened yesterday, but did not. A new date has been given as October 22nd. Compared with what the residents of Liggars Place are suffering, our diversion is a minor inconvenience. Secretary had checked whether it is our CC area, but it is not. Our boundary is at the railway line.

  7. Lane by Telephone Exchange. Rubble still to be removed by the Estate.

  8. Signs at village entrance. The McEwen Fraser Legal sign has twice been re-erected. It has not, in three months, resulted in the sale of the property. It has now been joined by a non-specific sign for Ross and Connell. Secretary had phoned this agent, and questioned the purpose of the sign at this location.

  9. Bollard at Limekilns Park entrance. Not yet been repaired.

  10. Cycling out of Limekilns. As agreed at the last meeting, Secretary had written to Phil Clarke, requesting a footway / Cycle Way on the south side of the A985.

  11. Charlestown toilets still closed. Duncan Brown still off work.

  12. Fence at Rosyth Churchyard will be repaired by Transportation. They have got as far as measuring up the job.

  13. Rosyth churchyard. Condition of the Gravestones. An enquiry of the Scout Group, lead eventually to a contact with Sharron McColl, who works in Dunfermline Library, and who is writing a paper on Rosyth Churchyard! She has photographs of every headstone, and has deciphered all text as far as she is able. She would be happy to come and give the CC a short presentation at a future meeting.

  14. Community Empowerment Bill consultation. This had proved very challenging to make a proper response. Secretary had sent in her effort.

  15. Flooding at Haven’s Edge. No progress yet.

  16. Fifedirect ‘join our club’ facility. Seems to be a facility to sign up now. However, the sports folk at Fife Council are a bit wary of un accredited and undisclosed folk setting up clubs involving younger folk.


  1. Police Matters.

Community Engagement meeting was on 13th September. Some attendance from Limekilns, but most of discussion was about Cairneyhill.


  1. Flooding Issues. Meeting with Scottish Water.

  1. A meeting was held on 20th September. Graeme Drummond of Scottish Water used a map of the villages to indicate the location of various pumping stations and the direction of flow. He undertook as an initial action (a) to examine the pumps under the Green to ascertain that they were working to maximum efficiency and (b) to inspect the long outfall pipe for blockages. Secretary will ensure we have a report back on these inspections.

  2. Kat recalls that a new pump has been installed at Halkett’s Hall this year.

  3. It seems that what looked like a surface water drain outside Seacliff is no such thing, as there does not appear to be a pipe leading from it, making it merely a soakaway


  1. Broomhall Estate. Nothing new. Application for Old Foundry Cottage site ongoing.


  1. Planning. Refusal of permission for house at Mid Mill.

In March Mr and Mrs Barr submitted an application to build a new house on their property at Pitliver. At the CC meeting in April, it was agreed that, if the neighbours had no objection, then neither did the CC. The Barr’s received a notice of refusal in early September, and were told they could take their case to Fife’s Planning Review Panel. Secretary has done some research as to how this operates, and has suggested that the Barrs brief Cllr Callaghan on the situation. There is no formal process for the CC to write to the panel, expressing support. However, the Barr’s could ask us to write such a letter to be included in their submission.


  1. Floral Display Group. Village Noticeboards.

  1. At the Fife in Bloom awards event on 6th September, Limekilns was awarded a Silver Gilt medal, and Charlestown a Silver. The group also received a special judges’ award for community involvement, and won the Raffle in the form of two tubs.

  2. It’s Your Neighbourhood’ awards day is on 31st October. Annie would like to attend.

  3. There is a need for noticeboards in the villages. Floral Displays Group have lottery funding allocated for one noticeboard, but we need one in Charlestown as well as Limekilns. Secretary has made enquiries and has identified ‘Greenbarnes’ man made timber boards as being attractive (and expensive). Enquiries are being made for funding from the locality Budget and other sources. Planning permission is required (a separate application and fee for each site!). The total cost is likely to be something in the region of £1200 for each board. Lesley and Annie volunteered their services as ‘board key keepers.


  1. Container Terminal

Date for the Reporters to make their recommendation to Scottish Ministers is still ‘in the Autumn’.


  1. Treasurer's Report

No Report


12. Secretary's Report.

  1. Boundary Commission Review of Parliamentary Constituencies. West Fife is still to be join with Clackmannan in one constituency.

  2. Village Directory. A new edition is being published by the Church.




  1. Cllr Callaghan

  1. Alice is pleased to accept invitation to Limekilns School Centenary Celebration this Friday 28th September.

  2. Main Street. Traffic Management officers have put back the matter of Main Street parking into the hands of Councillors and the Community Council. A meeting will be arranged with Iain Henderson to try and achieve a sensible solution.


  1. Cllr Stewart

  1. Kate will attend alternate CC meetings here and in Saline.

  2. As her professional experience has been in youth work, she is focusing on contact with 13 – 18 year olds through her planned youth surgeries. A Children and Young people’s Bill is going through parliament just now – ensuring that services conform to the UN convention on the Rights of the Child. ‘Children in Scotland’ annual conference is in Dunfermline this year. (1st- 2nd November)

  3. Kate also has concerns about provision for the elderly – particularly in light of the closure of Blairhall Day Centre.

  4. The planned integration of Health and Social Care Services in Scotland should lead to better service structures of the elderly


15. AOCB

Dunfermline Museum has been granted planning permission. It has its first tranche of HLF funding, but progress is still dependent on a much bigger second grant.


Date of Next Meeting Tuesday 30th October 2012 at the Gellet Hall.


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL ON 28.8.12


Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Graham Urquhart, Lesley Scott, Annie Nally, Sheila Green, Kat Tebbutt, Tom Scott,


In attendance: Kathleen Kilpatrick, Cllr Alice Callaghan, Bill McKissock, Patrick MacKay, Steve Hope, Tom and Gloria Flanagan, Andy Jones and Sharon.


  1. Apologies: Alex Hill, Allison MacDonald, Geoff Cartwright, Cllr Kate Stewart,


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 26th June 2012

These were approved as a true record. Kat proposed, Lesley seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 26th June 2012

  1. War memorial. Has, this month been re-erected with more secure fixings. Still need to sort out a better system for securing the wreaths.

  2. Letter Box. Secretary is maintaining contact with Madge at Royal Mail, and had sent her a photo showing that work on the frontage is almost complete and asking her what the process will be to reinstate the box.

  3. Completion of works at Church Street. Bits of work done now and again. Old lamps still lit, alongside new ones. Secretary will push for completion.

  4. No Through Road’ signs at Red Row and at The Elgin Hotel. Officers now reluctant to erect because the roads are not adopted! Secretary will press for action.

  5. Footpath Project. Invoice for £900 from Scotways has been settled. (£400 from CC funds and £500 Fife Council grant.) Pole at the foot of The Run has been dislodged by a disgruntled person.

  6. Beryl has contacted SEPA but not yet had a response.

  7. Inner Forth landscape Initiative. Letter received this week saying that funding has been secured for the project.

  8. Liggars Bridge road works. Road closed from 23rd July for 9 weeks. Diversion has been well-signposted. There have been a number of accidents along Grange Road.

  9. Lane by Telephone Exchange. Thanks for the removal of trees and killing of stumps. Still quite a lot of rubble remaining. Kathleen has noted.

  10. Signs at village entrance. The signs were reorganized so as not to detract from the floral displays at the entrance. The Secretary had, as agreed at the June meeting, contacted the Estate Agent who had erected a For Sale sign for 35 Charles Way. Out of courtesy, she had also written a note to the owner of the property. The owner of the property subsequently appeared at her door and accused her of theft of a sign. He threatened to report her to the police. Two policemen subsequently visited (at ten past ten at night) to investigate. Secretary told them she had observed the sign to be lying on the ground.

  11. Bollard at Limekilns park entrance. This has been reported to John McQueen


  1. Resignation of Community Councillor.

It is with great regret that we have received Suze Anderson’s resignation from the Community Council. She had taken the Chair for a year, alongside fulfilling the functions of Treasurer and IT expert. While she has resigned as a full member, she is willing to be co-opted as Treasurer and IT technical expert, as long as she is not required to attend meetings. A vote of thanks to Suze was heartily endorsed, and the Secretary was asked to write her a formal letter of thanks.


  1. Police Matters.

Community Engagement meeting is in the Gellet Hall on 13th September at 7pm.


  1. South West Area Committee 22nd August

In the days following the June meeting, members of the Community Council agreed that they could make no recommendation to Traffic Management about appropriate measures in Main Street. Traffic Management Officers subsequently declared that they would go to committee on 22nd August with a proposal for a Traffic Order for double yellow lines. This caused much consternation among residents and members of the Community Council. The Secretary wrote a paper outlining the history and current circumstances and suggesting it could be designated as ‘Shared Space’. Three Councillors made site visits and met residents. Councillors agreed that double yellow lines were not the appropriate means to address the issues raised and refused to sanction a Traffic Order for double yellow lines, asking officers to look again at other alternatives.


  1. Flooding Issues

  1. Main Street. On two occasions during the past two months, heavy rain has caused the drain opposite Academy Square to be overwhelmed with surface water which mixed with sewage. Residents managed to prevent water entering houses by sweeping as much as possible down the path towards the Prom. Scottish Water attended the next day to disinfect the area, but residents would like the cause to be investigated. They have asked the Community Council to write to Scottish Water. Secretary will write and request a meeting, so that the way the system works or doesn’t work can be fully explained.

  2. Havens Edge. On the same two occasions, a massive amount of water off the field behind Charles Court rushed down Charles Way and into Havens Edge where it failed to drain away and threatened to enter the property at the lowest point in Haven’s Edge. Fife Council provided sandbags and have held a site meeting with the owner of the property. Kathleen reported that Broomhall Estate had already had a meeting with Fife Council officers to discuss possible solutions.


  1. Provision of Cycle facilities

  1. Steven Hope from Sandilands is a regular ‘utility’ cyclist. He has contacted the Community Council following extensive correspondence with Fife Council and Bill Walker MSP. His correspondence and observations are recorded on his blog at: http://stevenhope.typepad.co.uk/cycle/

  2. As a cyclist, he has concerns about the availability of an adequate cycle route to Dunfermline, and the effective barrier which the A985 forms to cyclists from Limekilns.

  3. Access to Woodmill High School is particularly tortuous if an attempt is made to use designated cycle routes. (Peter Curry said that his sons had given up on cycle routes and used Limekilns Road and Woodmill Road when they had cycled to school)

  4. Cyclists (and indeed, pedestrians) turning right out of Limekilns have to cross the busy road to the footway on the south side, and cross back again at the Pattiesmuir junction where the footway moves to the north side.

  5. As a start, he is proposing and campaigning for a shared use footway/cycleway on the south side of the road from Limekilns to the existing footway at Brucehaven Farm. He is seeking support from the Community Council for this. People who support this proposal are encouraged to write to Phil Clarke at Fife Council (phil.clarke@fife.gov.uk)


  1. Limekilns Pier. No news yet.


  1. Floral Display Group

  1. Stall at Gala had lots of visitors expressing appreciation for what the group has done. Several new ‘friends’ were recruited. There were requests for something to be done about the area around the Toilets in Charlestown.

  2. A second boat is ready for planting in West Harbour Road.

  3. New seating, incorporating planters has been ordered for Red Row.

  4. In co-operation with the Estate, compost bins are being established in the woodland opposite the Cairns.

  5. Preparations are being made for the group’s first AGM.

  6. Judging for ‘Village in Bloom’ and ‘It’s Your Neighbourhood’ both went well, with the sun shining on both. Awards ceremony for Beautiful Fife is in Glenrothes on 6th September.

  7. Fife Council is hosting a funding event which Lesley and Lyndsy will attend.


  1. Container Terminal

  1. Babcock have submitted a 50-page expenses claim against SNH. SNH have refuted it comprehensively.

  2. A number of written questions concerning Harbour Revision Orders and the Habitats Regulations have been lodged by John Park MSP.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. Annual Fife Council grant of £631.68 was paid in on 25th July

  2. Floral display: £6455.36 (including residue of Fife Council grant of £1.39) in BoS account.

  3. Also in BoS account, £700.63 of Community Council funds.

  4. Dunfermline Building Society Account: £1903.44

  5. Residents for Responsible Development: £1,321.20


11. Secretary's Report.

  1. Kamil Trzebiatowski cycle ride through Fife. He’s due to pass through Limekilns on 7th November.

  2. The fence beside the cycle way at Rosyth Church Yard has been damaged – apparently for the purposes of getting firewood for a bonfire on the beach. Secretary has reported it, and finds that Transportation are responsible for repairs.

  3. Rosyth Churchyard. Conditions of gravestones. Although Fife Council does some maintenance by way of mowing, the gravestones are deteriorating rapidly. We should find who is interested locally. 81st Fife Scouts once surveyed and recorded all the stones as a mapping exercise. Secretary will enquire of the Scouts.

  4. Community Empowerment Bill. This is a consultation to explore what additional powers communities might be given. An excellent easy-read version has been produced, but is not readily available! Secretary will prepare a draft CC response. Individuals are encouraged to make their own response.


12. Councillor Slot.

Focus on Sport and Leisure in the Community. Fife Council has a new web page where people can see what local sport and leisure groups exist in their area. Local clubs and groups are encouraged to sign up at www.fifedirect.org.uk/joinourclub The Fife Sport Strategy is to be reviewed in 2013 and the new Administration has indicated that it wants to free up more capital and revenue support for local community sport and leisure activities. Fife Council also need people to tell them what needs to change and what the Council can do to help.


13. AOCB


14. Date of Next Meeting Tuesday 25th September 2012 at the College, Pattiesmuir..


 

 

 

 

 

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