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CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 28th APRIL 2015


Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Alex Hill, Trevor Jones, Mandy Littlewood, Geoff Cartwright, Callum MacInnes, Lesley Scott, Kat Tebbutt, Rob Thompson, Suze Anderson


  1. In attendance: Cllr Callaghan, PC Kirsty Orrock, PC Ian Moffat, Fiona Thompson, Evelyn Jones, Tom Leatherland, Doreen Kempsell


  1. Apologies: Tommy Cuthbert, Annie Nally, Cllr Stewart, Colin and Betty Craig


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 31st March 2015.

Item 9(g) was amended to record that the Factor had agreed to arrange a meeting with the affected residents. The meeting then accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Lesley Scott, Seconded: Kat Tebbutt,


  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 31st March 2015

  1. Junction with A985. Electronic signs have been up for a month. Many views were voiced in the meeting about the fact that the signs on the junction had not made much difference. Meeting agreed to ask villagers via email and Facebook how well the measures are working. No move on the painted kerbs or the return of the missing bollard.

  2. Request for ramps for skate-park etc. Investigations ongoing.

  3. Gate latch at Rosyth Churchyard. New one installed this week!

  4. Mobile Post Office service. Secretary has sourced a poster for the noticeboard. She tried to get BT and the GPO to talk sense to each other but to no avail. She arranged a meeting with David Gray of 1 The Promenade and Brian Turnbull, GPO ‘change manager’ to discuss alternative locations to site the vital box, which is currently attached to the inaccessible telegraph pole in the lane between The Prom and Main Street. The obvious location would be to attach it (glue?) to the back of the telephone kiosk. If we were to adopt it, then BT couldn’t object. Secretary has made an initial expression of interest in the adoption of the box by the community. In the meantime, Brian will enquire of BT what would be involved in attaching the box to a wall at 1 The Promenade.

  5. Planning Democracy conference was an excellent event. Lots of good networking opportunities and a big thrust to the campaign for Equal Rights of Appeal.

  6. Outdoor Fitness. Investigations ongoing.

  7. Merryhill Bridge. Scott Blyth cannot identify no appropriate location for ‘unsuitable for HGVs’ signs west of The Elgin (which is really too far in advance). He will talk to Amey about putting a sign on the main road. At Pattiesmuir, he will ask them for a ‘No through road’ sign.

  8. Unconventional Gas meetings. Secretary had circulated information about Ineos ‘consultation’ events. No-one has attended one yet. She also circulated the notice of the WFVCC Forum this Thursday, when Andrew Nunn from Cluff will speak. Rob suggests the 9th June as the best date for an information meeting in the Queen’s Hall. He is contacting speakers, and will put the provisional date in the on-line diary.

  9. Inner Forth landscape Initiative Kilns Project. No update.

  10. Cairns Parking. John Wilson now busy farming, but will keep in touch about when he identifies a date when men and machines are available. The Green is in a better state now it has dried out a bit.

  11. Slabs at Capernaum Court. Secretary still trying to establish who did the work so that the remaining slightly raised slab is sorted.

  12. Community Payback. Posts at Limekilns Pier car park have been renewed and the minister’s garage given a once-over. Our letter of thanks from the Community Council had been published in the Dunfermline Press.

  13. War memorial. Rob reported that grass seed has been planted. The additional drain will be dug to direct water from the new cross-drains to the soak-away. The model for the bas-relief sword is being produced. Secretary mentioned that a group of individuals is carrying out research on the men who are named on the war memorial. Craig Lindsay is also compiling a photo story of the production of the new sword.

  14. Local bus service. Secretary had spoken to Scott Blyth. He thinks it would be preferable to have a ‘Hail and Ride’ stop by the Sutlery, rather than moving any bus stops. This still leaves a long walk from the Elgin, but maybe the driver can be asked to put folk down a bit nearer the shop.

  15. Sutlery. Secretary had spoken with Janice. There has been some interest, but no real prospect of a sale. Secretary asked that, if Janice and Jimmy found they were no longer able to carry on, they would let us know in good time, so that the community could decide whether it was minded to run a community shop.

  16. Boundary Commission. Secretary had tried to discover more. Public consultation on proposed new boundaries is only planned at the very end of the process. Saline is particularly exercised by the proposal that they be put into a ward with Kelty – with which they have no connection at all. From the proposals map published in the Press, Secretary had an impression that Charlestown and Limekilns would be split. This is not the case. Currently the proposal is to ‘move’ both our villages in with Rosyth. (There was a suggestion that, if Crombie is in a different ward from Limekilns, it might be difficult to deal with issues raised by Crombie parents concerning Limekilns school.)


  1. Police Report. (Taken before matters arising)

  1. PC Kirsty Orrock, reported the small number of calls each from Limekilns and Charlestown in the past month. One call had been about a grenade found on The Run at Charlestown! No crimes had been recorded.

  2. (Secretary omitted to report that she had, as suggested by Cllr Callaghan, written to the chair of Safer Communities Committee, about our concerns about the move of the contact centre to Bilston, but had yet to receive a response.)

  3. The cardboard cop is being deployed around the area for no more than 2 hours at a time.

  1. Bistro, application for Variation to License

  1. It is understood that the immediate neighbours have made representations to the licensing authority. None of them are in attendance this evening, and only one has copied their objection to the secretary.

  2. The application, if granted, would bring the Bistro into parity with The Bruce and The Ship.

  3. Meeting agreed, proposed by Lesley, seconded by Geoff, that we are not minded to object and anticipate that the premises will be self-policing in the manner exercised by other licensed premises in the villages. Secretary will write to licensing.


  1. Broomhall Estate. Pattiesmuir

  1. Geoff Cartwright was delighted to report that, although the promised meeting had yet to happen, action has been taken by the Estate, specifically Jim McDonald, to grade the surface and deal with some of the drainage levels. Some further work is to be carried out, and thereafter the respective responsibilities of residents and Estate for future maintenance will be established. Coincidentally, Fife Council have done some repair work on corner by the College and on the lane past the Piggery as part of the cycle network.

  2. Application has been submitted for conversion of Charlestown old school building to flats. The Community Council welcomed the proposal.

  3. Work to be carried out at Rosyth Churchyard will need vehicular access. Secretary progressing the issue of gate padlock with Factor.


  1. Rosyth Churchyard

  1. Secretary had met on site with David Simpson, Rory McDonald of Historic Scotland and ‘Mitch’ of Bereavement Services. It was agreed that the tree growth around the church walls was likely to compromise the structure, and that the saplings should be removed. Mitch said that he could arrange this. We also agreed that the broken down fence should be removed and that Mitch would also deal with the tree that has fallen into the churchyard.


  1. Community Engagement Group.

  1. The village diary non-edit link is http://teamup.com/ks2d7841cb0be65458/. Secretary to ask through email list if anyone else would like the edit facility.

  2. Mandy will draft a short questionnaire for Village Link (deadline 17th May), and circulate it to members for approval.

  3. Anne Marsh had emailed the Secretary this morning to ask if we could speak to a class about how the Community Council make decisions. Meeting agreed we would be happy to do this if we could find dates that suited.


  1. BT Adopt a Kiosk Scheme

  1. Several suggestions have been made as to how our kiosks might be used if we adopted them. They could be local geography and history information points with a different emphasis for each village. They could be like the ‘empty plinth’ in Trafalgar Square with different village organisations taking it in turns to use them for their purposes. They could be book exchange points – as in Cleish. Or they could be community defibrillator points. There was extensive consideration of the latter. However, it seems that if they are to be worthwhile (the initial cost, maintenance cost, and eventual replacement cost) then there needs to be a fair chance that they would be used to save a life or two. In general, they tend to be located in places where there is high footfall over an extended period – like supermarkets and busy stations. (The more people you have, the more likely there is that someone will have a cardiac arrest.) Defibrillators can also be located in isolated communities where ambulance response times can be long. In the case of our villages, Charlestown and Limekilns are treated as ‘urban’ and have a 9 minute emergency response time while Pattiesmuir is treated as ‘rural’ and subject to a longer response time. (This 18 minute response time is also the case for villages in the East Neuk, where there are a number of community defibrillators.)


  1. Treasurer’s Report.

  1. Kat, Suze, and Sue have met to plan hand over of Treasurer responsibilities and completion of forms for change of signatories.

  2. Balances: CC BoS £791.55; CC Nationwide £1717.52; Residents for Responsible Development £1072.66.

  3. In answer to a question about the derisory interest rates, Treasurer explained that, whatever the bank, ‘Treasurer’ accounts which do not incur bank charges and which can have multiple signatories have very low interest rates.

  4. Annual accounts are now complete and have been reviewed by Sam Burton.

  5. Fife Council grant application form received by Secretary, passed to Treasurer.

 

  1. Secretary’s Report

  1. High speed broad band. Chairman explained some of the history of the arrival of broadband. It seems that there is a discontinuity in Limekilns, with some properties (apparently those connected to ‘cabinets 1 and 4’ in the exchange) having high speed broadband, while others (connected to cabinets 2 and 3) do not. Secretary will write to BT, but it would probably be more effective if the individuals who need it wrote to BT themselves, or possibly contacted OFCOM.

  2. Annie Nally has written to the secretary tendering her resignation from the Community Council since she doesn’t feel that we have given sufficient support to her efforts to achieve a better bus service for the villages. Secretary read her letter which asks that we write to Stagecoach in order to get the 8.40am bus restored in term time. It was pointed out that there is, in fact, a bus that leaves the village at 8.15am. This is the Rennies bus to Woodmill School and is, (clarified by Secretary post meeting) apparently, available to everyone. Secretary will write a letter of thanks to Annie for her commitment and enthusiasm as a member of the Community Council.

  3. Mailing from Bill Welsh of Fife Council. Contained two copies of the Community Council information pack (Lesley took one to read); a list of our elected Community Councillors checked for having signed a Declaration of Acceptance; our grant application form; and a useful grid of local managers for various services. We are also asked what training Community Councillors would like. No members mentioned any pressing need.


  1. Councillors

Cllr Callaghan understands that Charlestown street lighting installation is to happen this month. Callum confirmed that the positions of new columns had been marked and that residents had received letters confirming that the works would take place in May.


  1. AOCB

  1. It was announced on the news this evening that there are plans to test a revised flight path for planes taking off from Edinburgh and heading south. After taking off in a westerly direction, they will turn north until they cross the shore of the Forth at Blackness, and thereafter climb eastwards along the Forth until they turn south over Musselburgh. These flights will start on June 25th. Our lives may become noisier.

  2. Situation with Crombie and Charlestown children each being provided with a different school bus is very odd. Why can’t they be served by just one bus?


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 26th May 2015 at the Gellet Hall. AGM at 7.30pm, followed by an ordinary meeting at approximately 7.50pm.




 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 31ST MARCH 2015


Present: Sue Hamilton, Geoff Cartwright, Tommy Cuthbert, Callum MacInnes, Lesley Scott, Kat Tebbutt, Rob Thompson


  1. In attendance: Cllr Callaghan, Charlie Reid Thomas, Mike Brockie, Fiona Thompson, Evelyn Jones, Lorna Wilkie, Phillip Heaton, John Haxton, Tom Leatherland, Malcolm Hamilton, Bob and Irene Ferguson, Colin and Betty Craig, Doreen Kempsell


  1. Apologies: Peter Curry, Alex Hill, Trevor Jones, Mandy Littlewood, PC Kirsty Orrock


  1. In the absence of both the Chairman and Vice Chairman, Cllr Callaghan opened the meeting by asking for a volunteer to take the chair. Geoff Cartwright volunteered, and the meeting accepted his offer.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 24th February 2015.

  1. Rob Thompson wished it recorded at 4(a) that he and the Secretary would arrange to meet ‘to discuss the War Memorial’. Minutes were amended accordingly. Rob proposed a number of further amendments. Meeting agreed that action to investigate community council constitution was not placed on Rob. Other items were discussed at some length, but the meeting majority agreed that further amendments were not necessary.

  2. The meeting then accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Lesley Scott,. Seconded: Kat Tebbutt,


  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 24th February 2015

  1. Junction with A985. Electronic signs are being erected this week. No move on the painted kerbs or the return of the missing bollard.

  2. Request for ramps for skate-park etc. Investigations ongoing.

  3. Gates at Telephone Exchange. Magnificent new gates installed. They are sometimes locked, and sometimes not.

  4. Gate latch at Rosyth Churchyard. No new latch yet

  5. Mobile Post Office service. Started on Thursday 19th, as promised. Location on the Prom is less than ideal, causing complaints from residents, a hazard to other traffic, and has its cable trailing across the footway and driveways. Secretary will speak to the ‘Change Manager’ again. Members observed that the service doesn’t seem to have been very well publicised. Only some people have had letters telling them about it. Secretary will ask again for posters

  6. Planning Democracy campaigns for more justice in the planning system. Its next conference is in Glasgow on 25th April. Secretary has details.

  7. Outdoor Fitness. Kat has been looking at what would be available for under £10,000 (the small grant limit for FET, which only requires 10% match funding). Suggested location would be beside Limekilns play park. Charlestown must be kept in mind too!

  8. Purple pipes sticking out of Charlestown pavements are ducts for installing wires when new street lights are installed. They were put in when the road was surfaced a year ago. They have now been buried until they are needed.

  9. Merryhill Bridge. Scott Blyth will erect ‘unsuitable for HGVs’ signs at the main road junction and at the corner near the cricket pitch. Geoff asked for a similar sign at Pattiesmuir road end, where there is a regular problem with HGVs getting misled by their Sat Navs!

  10. Constitution. Enquiries so far indicate that only three (of approximately 100) community councils in Fife have a constitution which differs from the Fife standard model. There was a time when applications to Fife Environment Trust required specific wording, but this is no longer the case.

  11. Unconventional Gas meetings. CC had received no information about the time and date for the Kincardine meeting which was mainly about underground coal gasification. Fiona Thompson had attended, and had heard some ‘quite frightening’ things. The meeting was well attended with speakers from Friends of the Earth and Maria Montinaro from California Community Council. Ineos and Cluff were not present but sent statements. Ineos is organising a number of ‘consultation’ events, but none are in Fife. Rob suggested that we arrange a meeting in the villages to ensure our community is well-informed. He would be happy to arrange it. Queen’s Hall would be a suitable venue. Sooner rather than later. Perhaps May. Fiona got the impression that things were going on behind the scenes, so time is probably of the essence. It should be purely an information meeting. Secretary could give Rob contact details for speakers. Secretary said the WEA had arranged a showing of ‘Gaslands 2’ but had not publicised it very well!

  12. Inner Forth landscape Initiative Kilns Project. The Factor reported that the offer of funding for the project has been made to the Estate. Final details are being clarified. IFLI is running two introductory archaeology events in Clackmannan next week


  1. Police Report.

  1. PC Kirsty Orrock, while not present had submitted a written reported which stated that there had been one call each from Limekilns and Charlestown in the past month, with one crime of theft recorded.

  2. There had been a community engagement meeting in the Gellet Hall last Monday. It was poorly attended. Secretary had not been sent a notice and few members of the public seemed to know about it! There is a suggestion that, to give Community Engagement meetings a regular date, they may in future be held an hour (or half an hour) before CC meetings. Meeting agreed that they had no problem with this, while presuming that it would not be every month, since there are other CCs meeting on the same night.

  3. There are concerns about the move of the 101 service from Glenrothes to Bilston. Doreen reported that they seemed to have little clue as to where Limekilns was.

  4. PC Orrock had told the Secretary that cops on the move can no longer be sent emails via Airwave, and that they have to return to base to receive emails. She had suggested that this is a huge inconvenience. Cllr Callaghan suggested that we write about our concerns to the chair of Safer Communities Committee.

  1. Bistro, application for Variation to License

  1. Secretary had, today received notice of this application. Currently, the license allows alcohol to be consumed outside until eight o’clock, as long as it is served with food. The variation applied for is to allow alcohol to be served outside, not necessarily with food, until midnight. This is a different proposition and may be unacceptable to neighbours.

  2. We should check how the outside license works for The Bruce and The Ship.

  3. Police are consulted when there is an application for a variation.


  1. Parking at The Cairns.

  1. Lorna Wilkie and Phillip Heaton, residents of the Cairns were in attendance to hear what work is planned. The main issue is for bin lorries to be able to negotiate the curve, even when there are parked cars. The proposal is to dig a trench 1m wide inside the existing Grasscrete, and fill it with hard core, with a final layer of red shale chips.

  2. Residents did not want to see more parking encouraged on the Green. The expenditure on the unnecessary tarmac path is still seen as a waste of money.

  3. Lynn Hoey had suggested to the Secretary that locality Budget funds (£2227.20 as per John Wilson’s proposal) could be made available if the project involved a partnership between the Community Council, Fife Council and Community Payback. Secretary had applied to the Housing Manager on this basis and the amount had been approved.

  4. Secretary had brought to the meeting, samples of the materials which John Wilson proposes to use. Geoff said that a smaller size of demolition waste had not been a success for filling pot holes on Pattiesmuir’s unmade road. However, the samples provided are of a larger grade, and, in this case will be packed down to fill a trench and not ground down to cement slurry as had happened in Pattiesmuir.

  5. Secretary will contact John Wilson about a starting date. Residents will be informed what the work will involve and how long it is likely to take.




  1. Slabs at Capernaum Court

  1. Community Council minutes of May June and September 2014, record our efforts to have the slabs at Capernaum Court re-laid, after four people had tripped and fallen. Fife Council denied responsibility and nothing was done.

  2. In early March, this year, a lady tripped and broke her nose and glasses and cracked three ribs. She has approached her lawyer about seeking compensation.

  3. The slabs have now been re-laid, but no one is admitting to have done it. One slab is slightly raised and still needs attention.


  1. Broomhall Estate. Pattiesmuir

  1. Geoff Cartwright, speaking for residents said the unmade road is worse than it has ever been.

  2. He said that residents are trying hard to get a solution, but hear nothing from the Estate.

  3. Factor says the Estate is waiting for better weather to apply tarmac planings.

  4. Estate thinks that the long-term solution is housing development. Residents want the matter of the road to be not linked to development.

  5. One Pattiesmuir resident has a letter from the Estate, dated 2006, saying that if planning permission was not granted for a development proposed at that time, a one-off payment of £2000 to repair the road would be made. This evidently never happened. Factor stated that the letter has been taken out of context.

  6. Factor asserted that responsibility lies with householders. Individuals are currently examining their deeds. Some deeds refer to the lane as a ‘public road’.

  7. Essential now that residents or their representative sit down with the Factor to seek a long-term resolution.

  8. It was suggested by the Chair that it would probably not be in the Estate’s interest if there were to be another ‘media storm’. Elderly couple in the last cottage are now both very vulnerable, and access to and from their home is vital.


  1. Community payback

  1. Substantial work had been carried out at the War Memorial. Three drains had been dug across the path and drain piping installed. The tarmac at the eastern end of the site has been broken up and a soakaway provided. Pooling should no longer happen. There had been a huge downpour last night. Secretary had visited the site immediately after it stopped. There was no water running down the east side.

  2. In the bus shelter (The ‘Snug’), one new seat is being made from what was reclaimable from the two existing ones. It will be in place shortly.

  3. Vegetation on the A985, which had previously been cut back, has been removed from the field.

  4. Car park behind the church has been cleared of brambles and sapling growth. The minister’s garage is to be refurbished.

  5. Secretary had asked Clive how the good work done could be acknowledged, so that the ‘clients’ recognised the value of the work they were doing. He suggested writing to the local paper. Meeting approved a draft letter read by the Secretary. It will be sent to the Press and The Courier.

  6. Annie Nally and Geoff Cartwright had, separately, asked if the path round the plantation on the Bell Hills could be cleared. Clive will have a look. He had suggested to the Secretary that this is not the best time of year to clear brambles, since the shoots think they are being pruned and, as a result, put on rapid growth. Late autumn is the better time.


  1. Beach Clean

  1. We had another great beach clean. About 40 people turned out on a blustery day.

  2. Someone had nominated the organisers of our community Beach Clean for a Keep Scotland Beautiful ‘Clean-up Hero of the Month’ award. The award was presented by Cllr Callaghan to Kat Corbett who had organised the clean-up event on behalf of the Floral Displays Group and the Community Council.

  3. Kat holds relevant telephone numbers in the event of a pollution incident affecting our beaches.


  1. Community Engagement Group.

  1. An on-line village diary has been established and an editable link sent to village organisations. When they have got the hang of this shared diary, Mandy will issue a non-edit link for information on the CC website and the ‘Limekilns for Sale and Wanted site’. She’ll also print off the diary each month for the noticeboards. The non-edit link is http://teamup.com/ks2d7841cb0be65458/. Anyone else who would like the edit facility, please let us know.

  2. We have asked the editor of Village Link if we could have a pull-out centre page which would have the diary on one side and a questionnaire on the other to seek community feedback on the work of the Community Council. Meeting agreed a payment of £50 for this facility.

  1. War memorial.

  1. The Sword. The forge is standing by to begin casting. It is not essential that we spend the appropriate % of the Fife Council grant, as long as it is tied to specific projects in the near future.

  2. Rob has received verbal approval of the application to the War Memorials Centenary Fund and expects a written confirmation this week).


  1. BT Adopt a Kiosk Scheme relaunched.

  1. Both our telephone kiosks are ‘listed’ by Historic Scotland, and so cannot be removed.

  2. BT is offering them for adoption by communities at £1 each.

  3. They will remove the telephone apparatus, but leave the electricity supply (and pay for it) if we ask them to.

  4. Some members expressed reluctance to take on such a project, and there were no immediate thoughts as to appropriate use. It was agreed that all should think creatively about possible uses. Secretary will ask Anne Marsh if we could involve the school children.

  5. Secretary will enquire of Historic Scotland as to any knowledge they have of kiosks being adopted elsewhere.


  1. Treasurer’s Report.

  1. No report this month. Suze has been unwell.

  2. Meeting still to be held to hand over Treasurer responsibilities.

  3. A new mandate will be completed with the new signatories.

 

  1. Secretary’s Report

  1. Limekilns Church is holding a series of meetings called ‘Future Focus’ on 21st April, 5th May and 16th May. The church building is big and prominent within the villages, but the church is more than a building, and it’s important that it works for the and with the whole community. All are invited to these meetings to discuss the role of the church in our community.

  2. A resident was concerned that we don’t have fibre broadband. Yes we do. Ask your provider.

  3. The community noticeboards have been given some TLC and the locking mechanism now works much more smoothly.

  4. Rosyth Churchyard. At the last Gellet Society meeting, David Simpson, a historian who was raised in Charlestown, spoke about his theory that the site of Rosyth Churchyard, may well have been a very important link for the monks from Abercorn in their mission to the Picts (who, at that time, occupied all the lands north of the Forth). The site may have a far longer history than previously thought. He expressed his concern about the growth of saplings and other vegetation which was threatening the integrity of the surviving walls. He hoped that he might recruit some volunteers to do some maintenance. Secretary has long-held concerns about the vegetation and the collapsed wooden fence which now serves no purpose. She is arranging a meeting between David Simpson, Rory McDonald of Historic Scotland, and Fife Council Bereavement Services to see what can be done.

  5. Sutlery shop business. Janice and Jimmy had high hopes of a buyer with whom they have been dealing for the past several months. This sale has now fallen through. We have previously spoken of a feasibility study for a community shop. Charlie Stoddart from the church had useful dialogue with the Plunkett foundation which provides advice for community enterprises. Secretary will speak to Janice to gauge what her and Jimmy’s feelings now are about future prospects.


  1. Councillors

  1. The Local Government Boundary Commission is reviewing ward boundaries. There is a possibility that ‘Limekilns’ could be moved in with Rosyth. There is, apparently, a consultation in progress. Secretary has not heard. She will enquire.

  2. Cllr Callaghan said she was delighted to have been invited to present the award for our community beach clean efforts.


  1. AOCB

  1. Mrs Kempsell raised the issue of the unkempt state of the enclosed area of Rosyth Churchyard which is apparently reserved for the Elgin family. The Factor will investigate.

  2. A tree has fallen into the churchyard. Secretary will alert Bereavement Services.

  3. Local bus service. Lesley told the meeting that a number of people take the bus to Charlestown in order to shop at the Sutlery. They do so in anticipation that they can get back on the same bus as it comes back from Crombie. The walk from the bus stop at the Elgin makes this something of a challenge for less mobile individuals. Is there a chance that the bus stop could be moved? Secretary will enquire. Cllr Callaghan has a meeting arranged about a bus stop in High Valleyfield, so she’ll get them to look at Charlestown too.

  4. West Fife Villages Community Council Forum. Secretary and Tommy agreed that it was taking a long time for Tommy to be put on the circulation list. By the time he gets on to it, we might all have moved to Rosyth, (see item 18 above)!

  5. Lorna from The Cairns asked the Factor about tree felling operations in the woods opposite The Cairns. He said he would phone her with dates.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 28th April 2015 at the Gellet Hall.



 


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 24th FEBRUARY 2015


Present: Sue Hamilton, Alex Hill, Geoff Cartwright, Trevor Jones, Mandy Littlewood, Callum MacInnes, Lesley Scott, Kat Tebbutt, Rob Thompson


  1. In attendance: Cllr Callaghan, Cllr Stuart, PC Kirsty Orrock, PC Ian Moffat, Mike Brockie, Fiona Thompson, Evelyn Jones, Moira Adams, Kirsty Ballantyne, Scott Lockhart


  1. Apologies: Peter Curry, Tommy Cuthbert, Annie Nally, Suze Anderson, Doreen Kempsell

  2. In the Chairman’s absence, Alex Hill chaired the meeting.

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  1. Minutes of the meeting of 27th January 2015.

  1. Rob Thompson wished it recorded at 8(a) that he and the Secretary would arrange to meet ’to discuss War Memorial funding’.

  2. After amendment to this effect, the minutes were accepted as a true record. Proposed: Callum MacInnes. Seconded: Kat Tebbutt,


  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 27th January 2015

  1. Junction with A985. Little communication achieved. No move on the painted kerbs or the return of the missing bollard. Technical visit to plan the electronic signs will happen this week. Vegetation on the north side of the A985 between the Limekilns and the Pattiesmuir junctions has been cut back by Community Payback, working from the field with the permission of John Hutcheson.

  2. Parking at The Cairns. Secretary had spoken with Clive about possibly filling in the holes in the grass. Advice from John Wilson (Waulkmill) was that any fill would be churned into the mud. John had suggested that soil needs to be removed from a trench which should be lined and filled with clean aggregate. This may be a more achievable solution than Grasscrete. John has provided a quote of £1856 + VAT (£2227.20). Meeting agreed that Secretary would speak with Lynn Hoey about whether this could be carried out in place of Grasscrete. Rob asserted that we would need three quotes. Secretary would check with Lynn. Callum requested that we be given more information about the materials to be used. Secretary will follow this up.

  3. Request for ramps for skate-park etc. Investigations ongoing.

  4. Gates at Telephone Exchange. New gates are being made, and are currently being galvanized.

  5. Gate latch at Rosyth Churchyard. Secretary had received word today that a ‘line will be sent to the blacksmith’ for a proper latch to be made.

  6. Mobile Post Office service. No news.

  7. Charlestown street lighting. Sense has prevailed and Lochaber and Hall Row have been added to the list of streets excepted from the plan to install modern columns.

  8. Beechgrove application. Unsuccessful this year. Floral Display Group will find out more about the applications which were short listed.

  9. Planning Democracy conference to be held in Glasgow on 25th April. Most planning conferences take a planner/developer perspective. This conference considers planning from a community perspective.

  10. Road surface at the Loanheads. Has been reported again, but officers say it’s not bad enough to merit attention.


  1. Police Report.

  1. PC Kirsty Orrock was in attendance with a colleague. There had been only one call from Limekilns and two from Charlestown in the past month, all three being minor incidents.

  2. Trevor reported that his CCTV had detected people interfering with his vehicle. He had called 101 and a response team had attended.


  1. Secretary’s possible breach of Data protection legislation.

  1. Secretary read a statement stating that she had given the email address and telephone number of a member of the Community Council to an individual who wanted to contact him. She apologised if she had acted against the spirit of Data Protection legislation.


  1. Broomhall Estate. Pattiesmuir

  1. No-one from the Estate was in attendance.

  2. Geoff Cartwight referred to a letter which has been sent to the Estate by the residents of Pattiesmuir whose only access is the unmade road. Quite apart from the damage being done to vehicles, there is now particular concern about the vulnerability of an elderly couple who have to be transported to hospital appointments and who have carers going in four times a day. Residents are exasperated at the total absence of maintenance of this essential access. The letter states that if nothing is done within a month, residents will have, once again to resort to media exposure.

  3. Cllr Callaghan cited an equivalent situation with an unmade road in Kincardine. (She added, incidentally, that it is important that, if and when a planning application is lodged, people submit any objections in writing. If there are more than 5 objections, it has to be considered by councillors on the Planning Committee and not just dealt with by officers.)


  1. Inner Forth Landscape Initiative. Proposals for the kilns

  1. Rory McDonald of Historic Scotland and Kirsty McAlister of IFLI brought various people to a site meeting at the kilns last Thursday. There was a structural expert, some archaeologists, and some IFLI ‘landscape trainees’. Rory explained that he was also representing Broomhall Estate at that meeting. Clive Allan was in attendance as was the Secretary. The site and the proposals were described to those in attendance. Rory hoped that work might get underway in March. For Health and Safety reasons, the site will be enclosed by secure industrial fencing for the period of the works – which are likely to last a year or more. There is still some contractual paperwork to be signed off with the Estate

  2. The archaeologists, in particular, expressed an enthusiasm for working with local people on some of the ‘digging’.

  3. Community Payback had done a great job in clearing the buddleia and brambles from in front of the publicly-accessible kiln and had painted the posts and the support for the information board. After Clive had spoken to Rory, they had also made a substantial start on clearing vegetation form in front of the other kilns.


  1. War memorial.

  1. Clive’s footpath squad is otherwise engaged just now. He’ll keep in touch with Rob.

  2. The Sword. Costs and security issues make it preferable to form the sword as a bas relief bronze to be attached securely to the stone pillar. The first quotation is for £3200.

  3. The War Memorials Trust has approved the pre-application submission and is likely to approve make a grant of 75%. Full application to go in this week.

  4. The Community Council agreed to contribute £500.

  5. Matthew Price and a John Wylie of Fife Council suggested that planning permission would be required, but is likely to be granted.

  6. British Legion are supportive as is Historic Scotland.

  7. Secretary had received two copies of ‘The Repair and Maintenance of War Memorials’ published by Historic Scotland. She had passed one on to Rob.


  1. Community Payback

  1. A report (See Annex 1) had been circulated to members in advance of the meeting: The meeting agreed to the Secretary’s proposal that we pay the cost of materials necessary for refurbishing the seats in the old bus shelter on the Prom (£59.49 estimate). Secretary would check with Clive whether the work would include all necessary making good of the woodwork before it was painted.




  1. Treasurer’s Report.

  1. Only Kat had mentioned accountancy experience in her member information. She was nominated by Alex and seconded by Lesley. There were no other nominations. Kat Tebbutt was elected as Treasurer to replace Suze Anderson who, sadly, plans to move from this area.

  2. A new mandate will be completed with the new signatories.

  3. Balances are as follows: BoS £958.09; Nationwide account £1712.87; RFRD £1072.56.

  4. Data protection registration has been paid

  5. Expenditure of Fife Council grant. With the agreed expenditure on the War Memorial and the bus shelter, together with our regular outgoings, more than 80% of the grant for 2014/15 will have been spent.
     

  1. Secretary’s Report

  1. Rebecca Cairns who is also associated with IFLI contacted us to encourage community involvement in Coastal Wildlife recording (Scottish Shell survey, Seaweeds, and plastic pellets). Secretary had suggested that the Beach Clean was not the best time for recording, but there probably was local interest. She had mentioned it to Anne Marsh who is happy to be kept in the loop.

  2. Neighbour planning issue. Secretary had been approached to support one party in a neighbour dispute. Members had been consulted and agreed that it was not appropriate for the Community Council to take sides in such situations.

  3. Outdoor fitness equipment. Secretary had a brochure for the sort of kit that encourages adults to engage in exercise outdoors. Kat had explored possible options when Commonwealth Games legacy funding was going to be available. Cllr Stewart said that Carnock has installed similar equipment in their park and that Kincardine were considering it. Both these CCs might be able to provide helpful information.


  1. Councillors

  1. Cllr Callaghan had mentioned the state of West Road to Transportation. Secretary suggested there was a greater problem at the edge of the road at the speed humps opposite the Green

  2. Cllr Stewart said that there was to be a public meeting in Kincardine on the matter of Underground Coal Gasification. This (largely unproved) process has not been included in the Scottish Government moratorium on unconventional gas.

  3. Cllr Stewart has involvement with work on the war memorial at Carnock.

  4. She reminded us that there are to be extensive road works on Kincardine Bridge. These could involve peak hour delays.

  5. Cllr Stewart now sits on the board of Fife and Forth Valley Community Justice Authority. (See Annex 2)

  6. Both councillors agreed that Care of Older People is failing some clients because the pressure of numbers and restricted budget. Fife Council is devolving some services to the Third Sector.

  7. Councillor Stewart reported that a Community Education Worker, has been appointed to a post in West Fife with a particular focus on welfare issues, including transport. Secretary said it would be useful for her to be introduced to Annie Nally. (See Annex 3)


  1. AOCB

  1. The next beach clean will be on 28th March. Kat has contacted the relevant agencies.

  2. Again there has been a serious incident of a lorry getting stuck on Merryhill Bridge. The holdup was for about 30 minutes. Secretary has already requested signage for restricted length of vehicles. She will repeat her request.

  3. Rob reported Gala dates are fixed and the committee is looking forward to putting them in the on-line village diary. Gala Week is from 8th – 15th August. The door to door collection will be between 18th May and 1st June.

  4. Rob suggested we might review the Community Council constitution. Others suggested there would only be value in such an exercise if any clause in the constitution currently restricts the activity of the Community Council. Rob will review the constitution of a selection of other Community Councils. Other WFVCCF members might provide this information.

  5. Callum asked if anyone knew the purpose/origin of the purple pipes sticking up out of the pavements in Charlestown. Cllr Callaghan will enquire.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 31st March 2015 at the Gellet Hall.



Annex 1: Report on Community Payback

At our last meeting, Clive Allan was in attendance to discuss what his ‘team’ could contribute to drainage works at the War Memorial. Community Payback has 16 supervisors each with a squad of six in action all over Fife. Supervisors also work weekend shifts. Task allocation is dependent on the calibre and skills of the available offenders and on the availability of supervisors with the necessary experience of the work involved. Clive couldn’t promise when a path squad would be available. However, he was listening carefully to other things that were discussed at the meeting – in particular the vegetation on the A985 and the scrub clearance at the kilns.

The next day, he had visited the kilns and contacted me to say just how the scrub clearing job would be their sort of job. I advised that he had to rein in his enthusiasm since there were issues of Health and Safety and of Conservation. I spoke to Rory Macdonald and left a message with the Estate about the opportunity that seemed to be presented. Rory spoke to Clive and explained what could and couldn’t be done at this stage. Scrub clearing has continued to great effect. They’ve also done a thorough litter pick at the Ballast Bank and cleared vegetation to open up the paths there.

I contacted Amey about the A985 vegetation, and they made it so complicated getting access from the road that I spoke to John Hutcheson, the farmer. He gave the go-ahead and said the forecast was for frost for several days, so driving on the field would be fine. It wasn’t. The weather got warmer and the vehicle got bogged down, so some of the branches have still to be uplifted.

I showed Clive a number of possible projects in the villages. In addition to some path works at Lime Brae, we looked at the path beside the railway from West Harbour to the Lyn Burn. We looked at work needed at the cricket pavilion. We looked at the swampy parking at the Cairns. We looked at the old bus shelter on the Prom. We looked at renewing the posts at the car park on Limekilns Pier. We looked at the gabion project that Cruising Club is undertaking at Capernaum. He agreed there was plenty to be getting on with. We would need to provide the materials for the bus shelter. I have priced these from the Dulux store in Kirkcaldy. The cost to us would be £59.49. It seems unlikely that Fife Council would ever see fit to carry out this work, so I propose that we purchase the necessary materials.


Annex 2: Fife and Forth Valley Community Justice Authority?

FFVCJA aims to reduce the numbers of remands and promote the use of community based disposal as an alternative to short prison sentences; Improve the credibility of community based sentences; Promote partnership working across the CJA partner bodies; Manage and target our resources to improve efficiency and cost effectiveness; Engage more effectively with our communities.)


Annex 3: New Community Education Worker

Lynn Hoey adds that: Aileen Aitken’s overall remit is financial inclusion. She is looking at access to, and possible setting up of, a credit union, and how people with no transport and with limited means can access health, employment support and other services. It is more likely that transport support would be by way of an organised network of volunteer drivers, rather than any dedicated vehicle.


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 27th JANUARY 2015


Present: Peter Curry, Sue Hamilton, Trevor Jones, Callum MacInnes, Mandy Littlewood, Kat Tebbutt, Rob Thompson


  1. In attendance: Cllr Callaghan, Kathleen Kirkpatrick, Ian Cruikshanks, Catharine Idle (Paths for All), Clive Allan (Community Payback), Kirsty McAlister (Inner Forth Landscape Initiative), Rory McDonald (Historic Scotland), Tom Leatherland, Doreen Kempsell, Stewart Webster, Bill McKissock, Gaye Mackay, Stephen Swan, Ken Walker, Scott Piatkowski, Mike Brockie, Nan and Phil Whetton, Fiona Thompson, Evelyn Jones, Karen Grant


  1. Apologies: Alex Hill, Geoff Cartwright, Tommy Cuthbert, Suze Anderson,

.

  1. Minutes of the meeting of 25th November 2014

  1. Chairman stated that he understood that, when he had been out of the room, during the election process at the inaugural meeting, it had been suggested that his attendance at meetings was poor. He acknowledged that he had missed a number of meetings, and apologised for this, but he had undergone three major operations in 14 months.

  2. Rob Thompson wished it recorded at 17(b) that he had requested that the Secretary provided him with copies of the paperwork related to the handrail and path project.

  3. After amendment to this effect, the minutes were accepted as a true record. Proposed: Kat Tebbutt, seconded: Callum MacInnes


  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 28th October 2014

  1. Junction with A985. The resurfacing and road marking work was completed earlier than expected. Secretary had sought a progress report on other matters: (i) Right turn into village would be assisted by painted kerbs. Amey says ‘we will review the new road markings and also arrange for a member of staff to carry out the right turn manoeuvre into the junction in darkness’. (ii) What wording is planned for the electronic signs? Amey says ‘for each sign, a warning triangle showing an exclamation mark with TURNING TRAFFIC below’ the detector pads will presumably be of sufficient area to detect a car wherever it is halted. (iii) When will we get our ‘keep left’ bollard back? Amey says ‘We will check that this is Amey’s responsibility and if so arrange for the replacement of the bollard’. (iv) What will be done about vegetation on the north side of the A985 between the Limekilns and the Pattiesmuir junctions which restricts the long view of the traffic coming from Rosyth Amey says ‘I recall that this issue has been discussed within Amey in the past and I will ascertain what the view was of our landscaping team and let you know’. Kathleen would find out whether the Estate could help, since some of the vegetation is inside the field.

There was a suggestion that some sort of raised street furniture would help to discourage overtaking and possible collision with vehicles waiting in the central reservation

  1. Parking at The Cairns. Cllr Callaghan had secured an allocation of £7,500 at the Ward 1 meeting. Secretary will follow up with Tam Mowat.

  2. Bus service changes. Another consultation finished in mid-January. This was on the proposal to reduce the subsidised evening service from hourly to once every two hours. Once again, this was not a consultation to identify new routes. In Fife Council correspondence with Annie about her petition, David Henderson (Law and Administration) explained about the new Fife Council petition system. Not many people know about this! It would be advisable to use the format provided if there are plans to petition Fife Council in the future.

  3. Request for ramps for skate-park etc. A delegation from Limekilns visited the Rosyth skate-park, hosted by Neil Currie from Skateboard Scotland. Young people tried out the park using scooters, skate-boards, bikes and roller-skates, as well as a skate-sledge (since it had snowed the night before). We now have plans and dimensions for a few other small skate parks, from the designers - ‘Concreate'. A couple of boys have been collecting names of young people at Woodmill High School and Limekilns Primary School supporting the skate-park and will write-up a review of our visit to Rosyth. Two Dads are going to use the plans to look at possible sites. One of the boys is also using a skate-park design App to develop some ideas for the park.

  4. Gates at Telephone Exchange. Nothing done yet.

  5. Mobile Post Office service. Has yet to start. Secretary phoned today for an update. (Post meeting note: there had been a phone call at 7.30pm, explaining that they were having trouble doing whatever they have to do to get a broadband connection in their van! BT won’t let them connect via the phone box because it no longer belongs to BT!)

  6. Charlestown street lighting. West Area Planning Committee made a site visit before their meeting on 26thNovember. They were accompanied by a bus load of planners from Northern Ireland. They turned back before they got to the end of North Row, because they’d ‘seen as much as they needed to see’. At the subsequent meeting, Councillor Callaghan’s proposal that the streets in the core of the Charlestown Green conservation area be excluded from an approval for the rest of the scheme for modern lighting columns was accepted. She did not name the streets. The names of the streets were to be confirmed at the January meeting. However, at that meeting, officers did not accept that they had omitted Hall Row and Lochaber from the list, only that Cross Row should be called Cross Row and not Half Row. Apparently correcting this detail would involve a whole expensive legal process!

  7. Responses to FifePlan consultation. Secretary had noted that, of some 300 responses to the plan, about one third were comments on the ‘Minerals Plan’, the majority of those being objections to unconventional gas.

  8. Beechgrove Application. Rob does not expect to have a response until the end of January. Residents of The Wellheads expressed concern that they had not been involved in discussions concerning the proposed allotment site. Rob said that things were at an early stage, as ownership of the land was uncertain.


  1. Police Report.

  1. Community policing has been reorganized. Mike Harvey has gone from Oakley. Our Community PCs are Kirsty Orrock and Kev Chandler. There is an intention to attend more Community Council meetings, but they hadn’t taken account of the fact that three CCs meet on the last Tuesday of the month! There is a Police Community Engagement meeting here, tomorrow night at 7pm.

  2. Peter Curry described a surprisingly comprehensive police response to a minor attempt to break in to a vehicle in Brucehaven Road.


  1. Broomhall Estate

Kathleen Kirkpatrick understands that Pattiesmuir residents still wish to meet Broomhall Estate to share information and concerns. Community council is happy to facilitate this meeting.


  1. Inner Forth Landscape Initiative. Proposals for the kilns

  1. Rory McDonald of Historic Scotland and Kirsty McAlister of Inner Forth Landscape Initiative explained that the IFLI has a ‘pot of money’ which will support 50 built heritage and environmental projects over the period 2014 – 2018.

  2. For the kilns, it will mean vegetation removal and ‘targeted consolidation’. Work to be done by Historic Scotland staff, contractors and conservation volunteers

  3. Could use local volunteers for scrub removal and ‘a bit of archaeology’. Also opportunities for volunteers to carry out desk-based history of ‘Forth Crossings’ (all industries, all vessels, all goods). A Sue Mowat does research in this area.

  4. Anyone interested should sign up to receive the IFLI e-newsletter at www.innerforthlandscape.co.uk or contact Kirsty at kirsty.mcalister@rspb.org.uk.

  5. Historic Scotland is coming out of Government and combining with The Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland to become ‘Historic Environment Scotland’. There will be changes in the way they work. The kilns project is a first, in that it is working with a private landowner.


  1. War memorial. ‘Paths for All’, Community Payback.

  1. Daffodils have been planted on the banking with Floral Display Group. The soil on the slope seems stable.

  2. Catharine of ‘Paths for All’ had written a useful report. General recommendation is to monitor water flow by construction of some strategically located v-ditches to be filled with Type 1 stone. Recommends that any hard landscaping is left for the time being. It was good to see the landowner, the local authority and the community all ‘on board’ with this project.

  3. The Estate has done some work on drainage on the west side. Breaking through the tarmac on the remains of the old road below the wall at the eastern end will prevent water from ponding here.

  4. Clive Allan from Fife’s Community Payback scheme described the types of projects that are carried out by offenders under supervision. They do painting and decorating, ground clearance, path construction, anything really. They carry out some 500 projects per annum. They have access to machinery. The works suggested at ‘b’ above would be something they could do.

  5. The Sword. An old photo shows a sword mounted vertically on the southern face of the war memorial pillar. It may have been lost on one of the occasions when the memorial fell down. Rob has been investigating the practicality of making and fixing a new one. The War Memorials Trust are interested in funding this. The Community Council could also contribute to the cost. It would be essential for it to be protected with ‘Smartwater’ or similar security measure.


  1. Community Council Engagement Group.

  1. The CCEG work group (members: Mandy Littlewood, Callum Macinnes, Kat Tebbutt, Tommy Cuthbert) has met twice.

  2. The main aims of the CCEG are to:

  • Engage the wider community : particularly those not involved so far and those not on social media

  • Ease the burden on the Secretary

  • Publicise what the CC does

  • Let people know what the CC can and has achieved

  • Improve communication between CC and community groups and between and among community groups (e.g. community diary)

  1. Next steps for the CCEG

  • Village Link – contribute Community Council news each quarter.

  • Community list - finalise an email asking various groups to opt into email group and village on-line diary

  1. Medium to longer-term –

  • To develop and action a community development strategy – looking at engaging young people and older people in particular

  • Source funding for different strands of work (e.g. surveys, events, youth forum)

  1. Chairman suggested that it might be useful to link up with Fife’s D of E organisation. Secretary said there is a village directory with contacts for all village organisations. Meeting commended the initiative taken by this group


  1. Treasurer’s Report.

  1. Balances are as follows: BoS £993.09; Nationwide account £1712.87; RFRD £1072.56.

  2. Data protection registration. Invoice received for annual data protection registration. This £35 is reimbursed by Fife Council.

  3. Signatories to the account. The Bank of Scotland has not been very good at keeping account signatories up to date. They have decided to tighten up their procedures. A new mandate form is being sent to the Treasurer.

  4. Suze Anderson has intimated that she is planning to move house out of the area, so will have to resign as Community Council Treasurer.

  5. Expenditure of grant. We'll be getting to the end of financial year soon. Of the £596.32 FC grant we got last year, only £91 has been spent. The grant application form states that if less than 80% of the grant has been spent we need to say what the surplus is for.  A contribution to the war memorial sword will form part of this expenditure. Benches are always valued by the community. If Janice and Jimmy’s plans to sell the Sutlery business come to fruition we will need to co-ordinate a community thank-you for their huge contribution to village life.
     

  1. Secretary’s Report

  1. Land at Primrose. Masterton Estates have put their strip of land along the A985 between Pattiesmuir and Rosyth on the market.

  2. Rosyth Churchyard Gate. The latch is faulty and prevents access into the Churchyard.

  3. Planning Democracy conference is holding a conference on 25th April. It has also lodged a petition with the Scottish parliament to suggest an equal right of appeal for communities.

  4. Queen’s Hall AGM. This coming Thursday.

  5. Conservation Area policy review? Secretary had heard a rumour that Fife Council were going to review their Conservation Area policy and tighten up on windows. She thought this would be difficult if Fife Council is to continue installing modern lighting columns.

  6. Forth Replacement Crossing presentations today and tomorrow at the Education Centre in South Queensferry.


  1. Councillor

Nothing further to report


  1. AOCB

Secretary had received a complaint about the state of the road surface at North Loanhead and South Loanhead. She will pass this on.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 24th February 2015 at the Gellet Hall.


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF INAUGURAL MEETING

HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 25th NOVEMBER 2014


Present: Peter Curry Sue Hamilton, Lesley Scott, Callum MacInnes, Alex Hill, Mandy Littlewood, Kat Tebbutt, Annie Nally, Tommy Cuthbert, Trevor Jones, Rob Thompson


In attendance: Cllrs Callaghan and Stewart, Ian Cruikshanks, Christine Forrester, Fiona Thompson, Evelyn Jones, Malcolm Hamilton, Christine Donnelly, Catharine Idle,


  1. Apologies: Geoff Cartwright, Suze Anderson, Tom Leatherland, DoreenKempsell

  2. Welcome

Cllr Callaghan took the Chair and welcomed everyone, particularly newly-elected Community Councillors, to the inaugural meeting of the new Community Council. She proceeded to the election of a Chairman.

  1. Appointment of Chairman

Peter Curry.  Proposed: Sue Hamilton,  Seconded: Kat Tebbutt.

Alex Hill.  Proposed: Rob Thompson. When asked if he wished to be nominated, Alex Hill said he did not.  Peter Curry, being the only nomination, the meeting agreed that Peter Curry be appointed Chairman. Peter Curry took the Chair.


  1. Appointment of Vice Chairman

Alex Hill. Proposed: Peter Curry, Seconded Callum MacInnes. This being the only nomination, the meeting agreed that Alex Hill be appointed Vice Chairman


  1. Appointment of Secretary

Sue Hamilton. Proposed Peter Curry, seconded Alex Hill. This being the only nomination, the meeting agreed that Sue Hamilton be appointed Secretary


  1. Appointment of Treasurer

Suze Anderson. Proposed: Sue Hamilton, seconded Lesley Scott. This being the only nomination, the meeting agreed that Suze Anderson be appointed Treasurer.


  1. Information for Members

The Secretary gave a presentation on the purpose, relationships, and funding of the Community Council. Secretary agreed to attach this to the minute of the meeting. Chairman emphasized that the Community Council generally works by consensus and does not vote on everything. Our business is to represent all the views of the community – which may be divergent – and express an agreed way forward if possible!


  1. Co-option of Members.

Tom Scott had stood down from his co-opted role in representing the issues of concern to residents of Grange Road. Secretary will write him a formal note of thanks. Suze Anderson was co-opted to continue in the role Treasurer. Iain Cruikshanks is happy to continue as a representative of local businesses.


Before proceeding to ordinary business, the Chairman noted the full agenda and reminded the meeting that meetings were intended to last for around 90 minutes. He proposed that, after 120 minutes, he would ask if it was the will of the meeting to continue beyond this time.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 28th October 2014

After insertion of an item about the commencement of the Estate shooting season, the minutes were agreed as a true record. Proposed Alex Hill, Seconded Lesley Scott

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 28th October 2014

  1. Junction with A985. Secretary has been informed by Amey that the promised resurfacing and road marking work will be carried out on the nights of 4th and 5th December.

  2. Parking at The Cairns. Cllr Callaghan had site meeting with Tam Mowat of Fife Council, and a site meeting with the Secretary this morning. Cllr Callaghan will seek funding for this at the next Ward 1 meeting.

  3. Bus service changes. Annie has collected around 300 signatures on the petition which she will present to Fife Council officers who deal with bus services. Secretary understands that the service requested would need to be provided by Stagecoach. The number 6 service has survived because it doubles as the school bus – which is why there are gaps in the timetable, morning and afternoon, and also why it is a double decker (which, surprisingly, have similar fuel ‘economy’ to single deckers). The consultation in the summer had been about the existing Fife Council subsidised services, rather than about new routes.

  4. Lime Centre Yard project. Secretary had been told by Ros Artis that the Lime Centre is no longer progressing the ‘Yard’ project at this time.

  5. Request for ramps for skate park etc. Mandy still investigating costs. Need to involve the young folk in development of ideas. She is considering the training of the Explorers as ‘peer researchers’ who could gain a better understanding of the needs and wants of the age group(s). Age group considerations are important to address potential conflict

  6. Boundary at Douglas Bank Cemetery. No report back from Bereavement Services, but Rob says trimmed brushwood has been ‘woven’ into the gaps in the hedge, giving it a generally tidier appearance.

  7. Gates at Telephone Exchange. There had been a site visit today and a decision to renew the gates.

  8. Mobile Post Office consultation. Secretary had written about our concerns with security of the vehicle, and the possible impact on Charlestown Post Office. Post Office had replied that security of the vehicles is well-managed, and that there is likely to be little impact on Charlestown PO.

  9. Charlestown street lighting. West Area Planning Committee is to make a site visit tomorrow before their meeting.

  10. Secretary had attended ‘Unearthed’, a film about the effects of unconventional gas operations. It provided much food for thought.


  1. Police Report. No contact or report from Police.


  1. Broomhall Estate

Kathleen Kirkpatrick will organise a meeting with Pattiesmuir residents.


  1. FifePLAN consultation ends 8th December. Secretary emphasized that the Local Plan determines development for the next n years. Rob said there is probably a ‘hook’ upon which to hang a comment about Fracking. Secretary thanked him for the observation and asked if he could find the reference to the possible ‘hook’.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. Following payments for Secretary’s expenses and Remembrance Day wreath, balances are as follows: BoS £993.09; Nationwide account £1712.87; RFRD £1072.24.

  2. Rob Thompson asked about the rules for receiving the annual grant from Fife Council. In order to receive it, we have to have spent at least 80% of the previous year’s grant. The Community Council holds modest accumulated funds. Such funds were available last year to contribute to the cost of the community noticeboards.


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Fibre broadband has come to the villages earlier than expected. Service providers will provide detailed information as to how you can be connected.

  2. On Site’, a firm of contractors are carrying out a comprehensive sewer survey in the villages. One of the pumping stations apparently had so much hydrogen sulphide that they couldn’t complete the work at that location. Secretary had phoned Scottish Water for more information, but they had none. Apparently ‘On Site’ are contractors to contractors to Scottish Water!

  3. Secretary has reported the ‘keep left’ bollard which has gone missing from the Limekilns junction.

  4. Information received from Paths for All about training courses they are running next year. Catharine Idle, who lives in Charlestown and works for Paths for All explained that the training was in ground survey and path construction.


  1. Councillors

  1. Cllr Callaghan had given a talk at the College Club about the work of a Councillor.

  2. Cllr Stewart had, recently, been stuck behind a long vehicle which was stuck on Merryhill Bridge, having followed SatNav instructions. Others had experienced similar events. Secretary will ask if we can have signs which restrict access for vehicles above a certain size.

  3. There is to be a consultation on Fife Council’s draft budget. Choices have to be made about budget cuts. Cllr Callaghan provided a paper copy of the Draft Budget.

  4. There are also plans afoot to reduce the length of teaching contact time for all pupils in Fife. (Post meeting note: Secretary has tried to find out more: During the second half of November, there were just 8 meetings in the whole of Fife to inform parents what is being considered. For Woodmill, St Columba’s, Dunfermline High, Queen Anne, and Inverkeithing High, there were just two possible meetings, on the 20th and 27th November (both Thursday). There is no formal consultation period notified on the Fife Direct web site.) There are also plans to close more school kitchens.

  5. Cllr Stewart said several West Fife Villages had not yet re-established Community Councils, following recent elections. The Community Council Forum is therefore currently under strength. Tommy Cuthbert volunteered to attend meetings on our behalf which was agreed. It would be the appropriate forum for discussion of wider issues such as Unconventional Gas extraction.


  1. Discussion of proposal (Rob Thompson)

  1. Rob Thompson presented two written proposals to the Community Council. These had been emailed to members yesterday and today.

  2. One arose from his request, at the last meeting, for funding to repair the path on the east side of the War Memorial. The proposal presented had two elements – drainage on the west side and enhancing the area surrounding the War Memorial. A number of questions were put about the need for the works, the various parties named as contributing materials and labour, how ten tonnes of shale would be held on the sloping ground, whose decision it would be as to what was appropriate hard landscaping around the War Memorial. The proposal was that the Community Council might contribute the cost of grass seed @£62 and storm drain channel @£60. There was a further suggestion that the Community Council might fund ‘Spanish White chips’ @£180. (Secretary stated that she, personally, would be totally opposed to the latter, as being out of keeping with the informality of the site).

  3. Chairman thanked Rob for his proposal. He stated that a number of parties had an interest in the War Memorial, not least Fife Council, who have a statutory duty to maintain it, the landowner, as well as the whole population of the villages, who hold the site in great affection as well as others such as the British Legion. Everyone needs to feel comfortable with any changes that are made. It seems that an Action Group reporting to the Community Council might be the best vehicle for delivering any work here.

  4. Catharine Idle volunteered to meet Rob on site tomorrow. She has experience of distinguishing between drainage and maintenance on the one hand, and reconstruction on the other. She will produce a report for the Community Council after this meeting. She was thanked by the Chairman.

  5. Malcolm Hamilton said that two different individuals had told him how much they appreciated the recent provision of the path and handrail to the west side when they attended the Remembrance commemoration.

  6. The second proposal which Rob presented was an application to Beechgrove Community Gardens which needed to be submitted two days hence. It was a proposal for three community mini-orchards at several locations, and the creation of allotments on vacant land between Wellheads and Upper Wellheads. It also included proposals for decorative planting at the War Memorial. All the pieces of land are in the ownership of Broomhall Estate. He had spoken to various folk in different organisations and suggested that there was a groundswell of people in the villages who supported the proposal. Some could not understand why there was a rush to submit an application this year. Concerns were expressed about the planting of garden plants at the War memorial, since it is already something of a wild flower meadow in May and June after the informal scatter of daffodils has died down. Catharine suggested an organisation called ‘Grow Wild’ as an excellent source of advice for communities seeking to increase biodiversity by growing wild flowers

  7. In the Chairman’s summing up of a long discussion, he suggested that the mini-orchards and allotments were relatively non-controversial, but that inclusion of the War Memorial makes the application much more complex.

  8. Rob will redraft the application taking the foregoing discussion into account. The application will be in his name, under the umbrella of the Floral Displays Group.



Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 27th January 2015 at the Gellet Hall.

 


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT PATTIESMUIR 30.09.2014


Present: Peter Curry Sue Hamilton, Lesley Scott, Callum MacInnes


In attendance: Kathleen Kilpatrick, Cllr Callaghan, Doreen Kempsell, Colin and Betty Craig, Tom Leatherland, Rob and Fiona Thompson, Anne Steele, Myra Pater,
Mike Brockie, Nan Whetton, Robin Gray, David Crabb, Evelyn and Trevor Jones.


Apologies: Alex Hill, Kat Tebbutt, Annie Nally, Mandy Littlewood, Geoff Cartwright,

Fiona Davies, Suze Anderson, Elain MacLachlan.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 26th August 2014

After deletion of the last two sentences in item 4d, these were agreed as a true record. Proposed Lesley, Seconded Alice.

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 26th August 2014

  1. Junction with A985. It transpires that Gordon Boyd transferred from BEAR to Amey, so there would appear to be little reason for delay in implementing the variable sign measures. Secretary had asked that the bushes on the north side of the road between Limekilns and Pattiesmuir be removed. Amey’s initial reaction is that we still have 160m of visibility.

  2. Parking at The Cairns. Cllr Callaghan had a site meeting with Callum and the Secretary. Cllr Callaghan is arranging a meeting with Housing.

  3. Garage at Brucehaven Crescent. Situation seems to be resolved to the satisfaction of all concerned

  4. Trip hazard at Capernaum Court. Nothing done

  5. Bus service changes. Annie had had further correspondence on the matter of east-west services. It was pointed out that 71 – the only existing east-west service had been reduced through lack of use.

  6. Litter Bin requests. Secretary had sent Tam Mowat photos of the mess made by seagulls when they rake through the open-topped bins on the Promenade, and requested request ‘side slot’ bins at these locations as well as a new bin to replace the rusty one at Charlestown Green.

  7. Lime Centre Yard project. Secretary awaits information about the form of words required in the letter of support.

  8. Request for ramps for stunts etc. Mandy Littlewood’s husband has a particular interest in skateboard facilities and he and a colleague are happy to assess sites in and around the villages. Such facilities can be noisy so are not appropriate near houses. Rosyth has a big new facility. High Valleyfield has a smaller one under construction.

  9. Boundary at Douglas Bank Cemetery. Secretary has spoken to Liz Murphy of Bereavement Services, who is investigating.

  10. Gates at Telephone Exchange. These will be painted or removed altogether.

  11. Fence contractor removed his advertising sign promptly.


  1. Police Report.

  1. Secretary and Lesley had attended the recent Community Engagement Meeting, where the main topic had been issues concerning speeding by cyclists in the village. Cyclists are neither required to have insurance or speedometers on their bikes. PC Harvey, himself a keen cyclist, will contact the local cycle clubs and ask them to remind their members of the dangers of speed in village areas.


  1. Broomhall Estate

  1. Giant Hogweed. Plants are now dying off. New growth will need spraying in the spring

  2. Knotweed. Only one of the two patches has been sprayed. There is another larger patch beyond the East Lodge on the south side of the drive. Kathleen will investigate.

  3. Pattiesmuir. Estate will organise a meeting with Pattiesmuir residents.

  4. The Estate reports a problem with cars parked at the entrance to Broomhall.

  5. Estate delighted with progress being made with the Sutlery building.


  1. Planning

  1. Fifeplan update. The Proposed Plan has been published. There will be a 6 week period of consultation from the end of October. It contains a proposal for a small development behind the Sutlery.

  2. Hilton Development. The triangle of ground between Brankholm Brae and the footpath is part of the development site. It is likely that it will be for some sort of commercial development such as a restaurant. It will be subject to a separate planning application. The arrows marked on the road for access to this site are misleading.

  3. Spinneys, Church Street. (Chairman, as owner of one of the adjacent properties, disclosed an interest.) Work on the house at this address has been carried out according to the approved planning permission. Massive digging has now been carried out, removing what were, effectively, retaining earthworks, and leading to slippage of soil from the gardens of adjacent properties which are at a higher level, as well as to exposure of the foundations of the high wall bordering Church Street. Planning and Building Control are investigating.


  1. War Memorial Access Project.

  1. Funding has been secured. Brian Siddell will fit the job in during October.

  2. Rob Thompson volunteered to recruit a squad to tidy up the site. Community Council can make a contribution to the cost of materials.


  1. Proposed new street lighting columns

  1. This was going to have been considered by the West Area planning committee on 1st October, but is not on the published agenda.

  2. The Community Council maintains its opposition to this scheme.

  3. Missing lamp post, Red Row. New owner of No 21 has observed how dark it is at that corner. An earlier lamp post was lost when the wall collapsed during the installation of a sewer along the beach in 1991. Transportation say they will only replace on a like for like basis and that they have no record of the existence of this lamp post.


  1. Other conservation area issues.

  1. Pierhead House. Still no planning application lodged.

  2. 5 Halkett’s Hall. Concerns have been raised by several villagers about the fence erected across the footway. Secretary will write to householder suggesting that it was advisable to seek planning permission.

  3. Satellite Dish, South Row. A new dish has been erected in the middle of a white wall. Satellite dishes must be sensitively sited in conservation areas.


  1. Treasurer's Report

No change from last month


  1. Community Council Elections

Secretary has today received the paperwork relating to Community Council Elections. These are held every four years. All existing members stand down and are eligible to stand again. Anyone living in the villages and on the electoral roll can stand for election. To date, there have never been enough nominations for an election to be required! Nomination papers can be down loaded at:

http://www.fifedirect.org.uk/publications/index.cfm?fuseaction=publication.pop&pubid=C1067AD6-CA74-1AFC-276DB4F017758572


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Children’s panel recruitment posters. Cllr Callaghan commented that self-employed people are welcomed to the panel, as they often have greater flexibility. They are paid for their time.

  2. Fife Council is organising a Welfare Reform information event at High Valleyfield on 5th October.

  3. Fife Coast and Countryside Trust newsletter

  4. Fife Council looking to update their list of groups who might be seeking funding information.

  5. Stickers on Royal Mail letterboxes. Stickers on letterboxes indicate a change of collection regime from 20th October. This is likely to be that collections will be made by delivery personnel when they have completed their delivery rounds.

  6. Letter received today about 6-week consultation starting today on new mobile Post Office service to be offered for Limekilns between 14.15 and 16.15 on Thursdays.

  7. Parking at Upper Wellheads. Secretary had been contacted by a resident who has encountered problems with his access being blocked.


  1. Councillor Callaghan

Cllr Callaghan has been addressing problems associated with delays in Blue Badge allocation. She has also raised concerns about the working of the Community Alarms system when a user is admitted to hospital without the family being informed


  1. AOCB

  1. A Radio 4 programme today about Fracking had mentioned Fife.

  2. Access to the beach at the eastern end of the gabions is deteriorating.

  3. Sewage on Capernaum Pier. The problem persists, with raw sewage often leaking onto the pier. Cruising club will compile a diary of events. Community council will take it up with Scottish Water and SEPA.

  4. Craning out happens next weekend


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 28th October 2014 at the Gellet Hall.

 


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 26.08.2014


Present: Sue Hamilton, Alex Hill, Kat Tebbutt, Lesley Scott, Annie Nally, Mandy Littlewood, Geoff Cartwright,


In attendance: Kathleen Kilpatrick, Cllr Callaghan, Cllr Stewart, Doreen Kempsell, Bill and Gaye McKissock, Colin and Betty Craig, Linda MacPhee, Tom Leatherland, Julian Smith, Rob and Fiona Thompson, Tony Orton,


Apologies: Fiona Davies, Callum MacInnes, Tom Scott, Suze Anderson, Peter Curry (but present for items 6,7,8!),


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 24th June 2014

These were agreed as a true record. Proposed Lesley, Seconded Kat.

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 24th June 2014

  1. CC recruitment. Welcome to Mandy Littlewood today! CC had a presence at Gala Day. Secretary has rationalized her distribution lists so that the emails she receives can be more widely circulated.

  2. Junction with A985. A good meeting was held in early July with George Henry and Marco Bardelli from Transport Scotland and Gordon Boyd from BEAR. It was attended by the Secretary, Malcolm Hamilton, and Karen Hart. As a first measure, the plan is to have the variable signs on the main road activated by stationary traffic at our junction, and alert drivers on the main road to joining traffic. Unfortunately, the whole of the highway management has now been significantly disrupted by the transfer of the contract from BEAR to Amey on August 15th! Secretary has asked Marco to push Amey into action. Bushy growth of trees on the north side of the road between Limekilns and Pattiesmuir hinders our sight line to the east. Secretary has asked that his be addressed.

  3. Parking at The Cairns. No progress. Cllr Callaghan asked for a site meeting with the Secretary.

  4. Garage at Brucehaven Crescent. Chris Moodie of Fife Council seems to have got this sorted by offering each property bordering on the council-owned patch the chance to buy the land they need.

  5. Trip hazard at Capernaum Court. No progress. Cllr Stewart will follow up with John McQueen.

  6. Bus service changes. The consultation on the use of the subsidised 71 and 86 bus services ran until 27th July. There was an excellent response from this community. The 71 has been reduced to one journey in each direction at the beginning and end of the day (so it’s ‘tough’ if it does not fit your working hours.) Then, with no apparent warning, Stagecoach made major changes to their services – changing the number of our service from 76 to 6 and removing the onward service to Wellwood (hitherto used by pupils electing to go to Queen Anne High School). They seem to have delivered new timetables to most houses in the villages.

  7. Litter Bin request at Red Row. A bin was about to be installed, but the process was halted after objection from another resident. We will ask residents to monitor the litter situation at this location. There is an ongoing issue about the mess seagulls make when they rake through the open-topped bins on the Promenade. We should request ‘side slot’ bins at these locations. We also need a new bin to replace the rusty one at Charlestown Green.

  8. Rosyth Churchyard. A new pedestrian gate has been installed. Secretary had thanked Bereavement Services for their attention to this matter, and to the grass-cutting at the graveyard this season. There is now a Commonwealth War Graves notice on the gate. There are two graves there of casualties from WW1 – an Admiral Tower and a Private Wylie.

  9. Lime Centre Yard project. Secretary has yet to write a letter of support.

  10. Hilton Road skid spot. The corner has been surfaced with more grippy material (at the same time as other resurfacing was carried out, apparently in anticipation of the Queen’s visit!).

  11. Wind turbine survey. Tom Scott had returned the survey questionnaire but had heard nothing further.


  1. Police Report.

  1. There was no report from the Police.

  2. Small World. Ali MacKerron, former chairman of the Community Council, now living in Perth, Australia, reports that he had recently met our one-time diligent community policeman, Ryan Hutchison, at a barbecue there!


  1. Broomhall Estate

  1. Giant Hogweed. Spraying by the Estate is still ongoing.

  2. Knotweed. Kathleen will check what has been / is being done about the two patches near the East Lodge.

  3. License application for felling operations. The plan is to fell small groups of old trees to allow replacement planting. The existing application is for just one small site on the main bank of trees.

  4. New fence at War Memorial. This substantial new fence has been vandalised.

  5. Pattiesmuir. Secretary once again, re-iterated that residents are still looking to have a meeting with the Estate, so that views and concerns can be aired and discussed openly. Geoff Cartwright endorsed this opinion on behalf of the residents of Pattiesmuir. It is puzzling why the Factor is so resistant to such a meeting. It is common experience that, when communities are included in early opportunities for discussion of proposals, their hostility to any development is reduced!

  6. Overnight caravan at the ‘turning circle’. A towed caravan had been there for one night and caused no disturbance or litter. There would be concern if there were more than one caravan or one staying for more than one night, in which case the Estate would be alerted..


  1. War Memorial Access Project.

Secretary had completed an application to Fife Environment Trust for 90% of the cost of £6960 (Brian Siddell’s quote). It is hoped the remainder will come from the Locality Budget. Secretary had indicated in the application that the Community Council’s contribution would be in financing some tidying up of the area around the war memorial itself. Meeting noted how much tidier the area looks thanks to the recent strim by Fife Council.


  1. Proposed new street lighting columns

  1. The number of objections had been such that the application will have to be considered by the West Area planning committee.

  2. Cllr Callaghan had spoken to the planning officer about the policy. Not clear what support for the residents’ and the Community Council’s case will be forthcoming.


  1. Other conservation area applications.

  1. 42 Main Street. Application for substantial alterations. No concerns.

  2. Pierhead House. No planning application has yet been lodged. Work appears to have stopped.

  3. 5 Halkett’s Hall. Application for replacement windows and doors in uPVC. Unlikely to get planning permission. (Post meeting note: Secretary forgot to voice concerns raised by several villagers that a fence has been erected across the footway in front of the house.)


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. Balances: BoS - £1059.09; DBS - £1712.87; RFRD - £1072.24.

  2. Fife Council grant of £596.322 received. APRS subscription of £25 paid


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Bus parked at Halketts Hall. In July, an unmarked white coach was regularly parked outside Seacliff during the day. This created difficulties for drivers exiting from Main Street. It transpired that the bus was carrying BAE workers from Clydeside to Rosyth and returning them in the evening. The driver had decided that Limekilns beach was the ideal place to spend the day, and didn’t respond well to requests to park his bus elsewhere. Secretary managed to make contact via BAE Systems HR department.

  2. Crombie School letter. Letter received telling us that Fife Council has made the decision to close Crombie school and transfer pupils to Limekilns. This is by no means a final decision, as it has to go to the scrutiny committee and may well be called in by the Scottish government. Tony Orton of Crombie suggested that Fife Council services needed to work more closely together – as, just as Education was suggesting closure of the school, the new Local Plan makes provision for 100 additional houses to be built at Crombie! It was pointed out that the per capita cost figures provided as justification for the closure have been shown to be exaggerated. In previous minutes the per capita cost per pupil was recorded as £16,438 per pupil. However, adjusting for the cost of one fewer teacher  and the loss of Grant Aided Expenditure, the per capita cost is reduced to £7,689.

  3. Commenting on planning applications. Letter received about the rationalisation of consultation periods for planning applications.

  4. Road repairs west of Charlestown. Hurrah! Road now properly resurfaced. However, it required a 3 day closure and disruption of the bus service. Pity they didn’t give us any notice. Councillors are told, but the affected communities are not.

  5. ‘On location’ at the lime kilns. Filming of the American television series ‘Outlander’ required a cave, and one of the kilns was deemed to be suitable. Secretary had received notice and was concerned that the residents were kept fully informed. The number of vehicles was such that traffic lights were required to allow West Harbour residents to get to and from their homes. Not really much economic benefit to the villages!

  6. Request for scooter facility. At the Gala, Secretary had been approached by Angus and his dad, asking whether we could have ramps installed in the park for him and his friends to ride their scooters. It turns out that what they have in mind is something like a full skate park. They had subsequently provided photographs of facilities at Saline, Oakley and Rosyth. There was a bit of a feeling that the installation of such facilities in Limekilns Park would alter the clientele it attracts. Perhaps we could find a site elsewhere. Facilities such as those at Saline and Rosyth cost in the region of £100,000. (Secretary noted that the recent re-launch of the ‘Awards for All’ scheme had prioritised awards to minority groups, which are listed as ‘mainly black and minority ethnic people (including refugees, asylum seekers and new migrants); disabled people; lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people; older people; carers’. Unlikely, therefore to be a source of funding for a skate park in Limekilns!

  7. Hall management seminar. Secretary had attended this excellent event led by Peter Ager of Fife Council. Its purpose is to ensure that those who manage halls are aware of their responsibilities in terms of Health and Safety and Fire.

  8. Boundary of Douglas Bank Cemetery. The boundary between the cemetery and the public path is rather unkempt, and ‘porous’ to dogs. Secretary had spoken to Bereavement Services and suggested that, if a new fence were to be erected, there might be a defined pedestrian exit at the north west corner.

  9. State of gates at Telephone Exchange. Gates are rusty and unsightly and almost never used. Secretary had spoken to a useful person who said their condition would be checked.

  10. Fence contractor’s advertising sign. Secretary had contacted the fencing contractors and suggested it is time their advertising sign was removed from the new fence at Upper Wellheads.

  11. Hilton development at Rosyth is ‘now taking applications from people who are interested in renting mid-market rental properties, built to a high standard but rented at very affordable rates’.


  1. Councillors

Councillor Stewart expressed her concern about the difficulties there seem to be in organizing a ‘homecare package’ with Fife Council’s Social Work department. She would like to hear from people who have such experience.


  1. AOCB

Availability of Community Council minutes. Alex will post them on Facebook when they have been approved for local circulation.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 30th September 2014 at the College, Pattiesmuir.


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 24.06.2014


Present: Sue Hamilton, Alex Hill, Kat Tebbutt, Lesley Scott, Annie Nally, Fiona Davies, Callum MacInnes


In attendance: Charlie Reid Thomas, Doreen Kempsell, Bill McKissock, Gaye McKissock


Apologies: Peter Curry, Geoff Cartwright, Tom Scott, Mandy Littlewood, Katie Hay Cllr Callaghan, Cllr Stewart, Suze Anderson,


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 27th May 2014

These were agreed as a true record. Proposed Alex, Seconded Lesley.

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 27th May 2014

  1. CC recruitment. Mandy Littlewood and Katie Hay delighted to join but send their apologies tonight. As Community Council elections are coming up in the autumn, the CC should have promotion stall at Gala Day on 16th August (as we did a few years ago, when folk were entered into a raffle if they gave us their email address.)

  2. Junction with A985. Secretary had pressed for a date for the meeting with Babcock and others, but none was forthcoming. She has now requested a meeting to deal specifically with our issues. It will, when it happens, be with George Henry from Transport Scotland and Gordon Boyd from BEAR. It is important to include the situation at the Pattiesmuir junction.

  3. Parking at The Cairns. Secretary had a site meeting with the officer from Fife Council’s housing department. He said he had neither been asked about nor sanctioned the path across the grass, agreed it was nonsense that the money should have been spent in this way, but still said that funding towards resolving the parking problem could not be justified. There was a glimmer of response when secretary suggested the CC might make a small contribution.

  4. Garage at Brucehaven Crescent. Councillor Callaghan’s meeting with the officer doesn’t seem to have brought us any closer to a resolution of this issue

  5. Giant Hogweed. Spraying by the Estate is still ongoing, weather permitting. The bad patch by the old foundry has been addressed. There is a plant by the Sailing Club slipway on Capernaum Pier.

  6. Trip hazard at Capernaum Court. Fife Council’s Housing and Assets departments both deny that this land is in Fife Council’s ownership, although the Land Registry say that, in the absence of another named owner, it probably is Fife Council’s. One of the residents has helpfully offered to kill the tree stump and to lift and relay the offending slabs.

  7. Beach clean. Thanks Kat for organizing this (to coincide with a national clean-up effort). Turnout had been rather disappointing due to clashes with other events. A group of cadets from Rosyth had contributed their efforts to the event.


  1. Police Report. .

  1. There was no report from the Police.

  2. Kat reported that police had been checking speeds on the Prom on two occasions last week. We would be interested to know what they found.

  3. Royal visit. The sergeant from Rosyth had reassured Suze that residents of Hilton Farm Steadings would be allowed in and out by an officer at the scene.


  1. Broomhall Estate

  1. Knotweed. Callum had contacted the Estate about the clumps of Giant Knotweed near East Lodge. Charlie will check with Kathleen what is being done about it.

  2. Pattiesmuir. Secretary re-iterated that the residents are still looking to have a meeting with the Estate, so that views and concerns can be aired and discussed openly. It is puzzling why the Factor is so resistant to such a meeting. Secretary pointed out that the Fifeplan, the next iteration of the local development plan, is nearing its final version. This could be the last moment for many years to alter the designation of the ‘piggery’ or to tweak the shape of the village envelope to allow limited development without ruining the amenity of existing residents.

  3. The Foundry Cottage site will be put on the market shortly..


  1. War Memorial Access Project.

  1. Fife Council’s Clair Lovett eventually came up with an estimated cost of £13,800 for a handrail and path. Fife Council’s Tom Mowatt of Parks and Countryside told the secretary that his men had neither the skills nor the time to complete the job before November. He suggested we approach a private contractor.

  2. Secretary had approached Brando Building Contractors who are working on Pierhead Cottage. He would do it for half the price. She is still awaiting a quote from Brian Siddell.

  3. The next step is to find funding. Secretary is in touch with the War memorials Trust and Fife Environment Trust.

  4. Funders want to know that, if a project is on private land, public access is assured. Factor stated that the Estate would write a ’letter of comfort’ to whom it may concern, assuring public access to the War Memorial in perpetuity.


  1. Lime Centre ‘Yard’ project.

  1. Heritage Lottery have invited a Stage 1 application for the project. 

  2. They have split the project into 2 parts, a development phase (gathering costs, securing partnership funding, having a programme of activities and appointing an Education Officer) and a delivery phase (building The Yard and continuing with programme of activities and appointing a Marketing Officer).  

  3.  The Lime Centre is looking for a letter of support from the Community Council. We are happy to provide that.


  1. Bus Service Consultation

  1. The consultation on the use of the 71 and 86 bus services runs until 27th July. These services are subsidised by Fife Council.

  2. Community Council and individuals have done their best to ensure that all users of the services know about it and fill in the questionnaire


  1. Proposed new street lighting columns.

  1. Residents had received neighbour notification letters on Friday last week.

  2. It is not easy to find information about what is involved. Secretary will provide clearer information about what is proposed. Callum will post the information on Facebook.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. No change from last month


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Hilton Road skid spot. Fife Council is aware of the number of vehicles that come off the road at the bend near the 30mph sign. They are considering what can be done.

  2. Secretary had passed on a request for a litter bin beside the seats at the end of Red Row.

  3. The planting of annual flowers at the junction has not been a great success. First, they killed more grass than was subsequently rotavated. Then, just when the flowers were bursting into bloom, Fife Council operatives mowed them all down on one side of the road!

  4. Wind turbine survey. Tom Scott had received the survey questionnaire because of his proximity to the FMC turbine.


  1. Councillor Slot.

No councillor present. No communication from either during the month.


  1. AOCB

  1. The dog bin at Charlestown Green needs replaced.

  2. Toddlers/under threes. ‘Kilns Kids’ is being established and will operate from the Queen’s Hall.

  3. Michael Murray from Babcock had taken a walk along the beach at Brucehaven today. He told Doreen that the beach was being ‘calibrated’, this week or next week.

  4. Concern was expressed about overnight camper vans at the turning circle. The meeting did not consider it a problem, as long as it was one-off users and they didn’t leave litter or cause disturbance or obstruction. We would keep the situation under review.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 26th August 2014 in the Gellet Hall.

 


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 27.05.2014


Present: Sue Hamilton, Alex Hill, Peter Curry, Kat Tebbutt, Lesley Scott, Callum MacInnes


In attendance: Cllr Callaghan, Suze Anderson, Mike Brockie, Bill Gray, Fiona Davies, Rebecca


Apologies: Annie Nally


  1. Note of the meeting of 29th April 2014

No formal approval was possible.

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 29th April 2014

  1. CC recruitment. Fiona Davies joined at tonight’s AGM. We will also invite Mandy Littlewood and Katie Hay, who have also expressed interest.

  2. Junction with A985. Secretary had spoken to George Henry, traffic safety manager for Transport Scotland, who had been at the meeting in January. He said he had been shocked at how bad the situation was when they left the meeting at 5.15pm. He would arrange a meeting at the beginning of June with BEAR and with Babcock – where the consequences of the congestion are also severe. George said that technology – such as ‘static loops’ - is available to alert trunk road traffic to minor road traffic waiting to join, and everything and anything would be done to resolve the difficulties at our junction.

  3. Rosyth Graveyard. Temporary repairs have been made to the small pedestrian gate.

  4. Parking at The Cairns. Secretary has arranged a site meeting with an officer from Fife Council’s housing department next week.

  5. Garage at Brucehaven Crescent. Councillor Callaghan had brought a senior Fife Council officer to a site meeting. She believed the situation would be resolved by offering individuals the opportunity to purchase the pieces of land they require.

  6. Giant Hogweed. Spraying by the Estate is ongoing, weather permitting. There is a bad patch by the old foundry. The Estate was thanked for its attention to this matter.

  1. Police Report. Parked Range Rover.

  1. Sgt Neill’s report said there had been 13 calls to the Call Centre but no crimes recorded.

  2. The parking problem at South Loanhead has been addressed through removal of the skip from the driveway.

  3. Callum and Kat had attended the Police Engagement meeting. The parked Range Rover had been a major topic of conversation. PC Chandler said that, although no offence was being committed, he would speak to the owner – since so much concern about the hazard caused was still being raised.

  4. Thefts from floral displays and motor bikes on the cycle track were also raised.

  5. PC Chandler stated that speeding on the Prom will be monitored as a matter of urgency.


  1. Proposed new houses at Pattiesmuir

  1. Rebecca said that a meeting with residents would be arranged.

  2. Although the ‘piggery’ is outside the village envelope, there is an opportunity to alter designations in the new FifePlan development plan.


  1. Proposed new street lighting columns.

  1. Secretary had written an account of our community’s experience with street lighting column replacement in conservation areas, and sent it to anyone she thought might be involved! It had elicited a limited response. There is still an intention to put modern columns on Charlestown Green, although Fife still have to apply to themselves for planning permission.


  1. Fife Access Seminar

This will be on Weds 4th June from 9am to 1pm at St Brycedales in Kirkcaldy.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. Balances: BoS - £487.77; DBS - £1710.87; RFRD - £1072.14.

  2. Application form for annual grant can now be submitted.

  3. Dunfermline Building Society is being taken over by the Nationwide. A letter to this effect had been sent to Liz Hutchins (who has not been Treasurer for some 5 years). Suze will speak to DBS about their failure to record this alteration.


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Trip hazard at Capernaum Court. Secretary knew of four individuals who had tripped on a raised paving slab when delivering to the flats in Capernaum Court. The flats in question are owned by village residents but rented out. Secretary will enquire of Fife Council’s Housing department whether it retains ownership of the garden area and access to the flats.

  2. Paths for All’ are running free Path maintenance courses at Glenrothes and Oatridge. Secretary has details.

  3. Subsidised bus service consultation. Fife Council want to know more about the use and value of the 71 and 86 bus services. Survey forms are available at the Bus Station and Ferrytoll.

  4. Aircraft Carrier Naming Ceremony 4th July. Secretary had received an email today with a general message of discouragement to anyone thinking they could go along. It is not a public event. There will be significant disruption in the area. Army are responsible for site security internally and Police Scotland outside site boundary.

  5. Fife Council has a mobile exhibition of the First World War. Peter had seen it at an event. Kat will pass the information on to the Gala committee.


  1. Councillor Slot.

Nothing that has not already been discussed


  1. AOCB

None


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 24th June 2014 in the Gellet Hall.

 


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

NOTE OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 29.04.2014


Present: Sue Hamilton, Alex Hill,


In attendance: Charlie Reid Thomas, Mike Brockie, Nan Whetton, Tom Leatherland,


Apologies: Peter Curry, Geoff Cartwright, Barbara MacKenzie, Kat Tebbutt, Sgt Jillian Neill, Cllr Kate Stuart, Cllr Callaghan.


The meeting was not quorate.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 25th March 2014

No formal approval was possible.

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 25th March 2014

  1. CC recruitment. Tonight is perhaps an indication of the need for more members!

  2. Junction with A985. Traffic Scotland have yet to respond to the Secretary following the analysis of the results of the survey.in early April.

  3. Rosyth Graveyard. The small pedestrian gate is now also falling apart.

  4. Parking at The Cairns. Councillor Callaghan has apparently not followed it up.

  5. Garage at Brucehaven Crescent. Neither Councillor has yet been effective in achieving a resolution to the muddle over land ownership created by Fife Council.

  1. Police Report. Parked Range Rover.

  1. Sgt Neill’s report said there had been a number of calls to the Call Centre and one offence. Several of the calls related to the Range Rover which is regularly parked on Church Street opposite the junction with Sandilands and Brucehaven Road. Sgt Neill said that several of her officers had followed up these calls and deemed that no offence was being committed.

  2. While it may be the case that no offence is being committed, the Secretary had requested a site meeting with PC Harvey. She had demonstrated to him the reasons that residents find the parked vehicle to be a hazard to traffic turning right out of Sandilands/Brucehaven Road. It was further pointed out at the CC meeting how difficult it is to turn left out of the Old Orchard because the parked vehicle not only restricts visibility, but also and blocks the route to be taken out of the junction.

  3. All present at the meeting believed the Highway Code had something to say about parking near a junction. (Post meeting note: Indeed it does ‘Do not stop or park opposite or within 10 meters of a junction.’ It also says ‘Do not park facing against the traffic flow’.) Even if these are only advisory, these are two bits of advice that are being ignored.

  4. Parking problems previously reported do not appear to have been addressed.


  1. Proposed new houses at Pattiesmuir

  1. Pattiesmuir residents are disappointed that there has, to date, been no response from the Estate to their request for a meeting where all the issues and concerns could be raised. In the Secretary’s experience, such early meetings are of great benefit to all because they provide a non-threatening space in which the motivation and values of the various parties can emerge. The later in the process that such meetings are held, the more likely it is that positions and views will become entrenched and reduce the chance of mutual understanding.

  2. The Secretary asked if it was the case that the Estate was taking some time in proving ‘title’ to the land in question. Charlie Reid Thomas agreed that this was the main reason for delay, and apologized for not telling the residents that this was the case.

  3. CRT sought to confirm the name of the person in Pattiesmuir with whom he should correspond. It was confirmed that Geoff Cartwright is the elected Community Councillor for Pattiesmuir. It may be that Ms Davies requires to be copied into correspondence.


  1. Broomhall Estate. Other Issues.

  1. The state of the unmade road in Pattiesmuir is again a cause of serious concern. CRT suggested that nothing more would be done until houses are built. Residents find this unsatisfactory.

  2. The Core Path over Gallowridge has been re-routed round the north of the farm buildings, and to the north side of the plantation.

  3. There are to be major thinning works in the conifer plantations to the west of Broomhall involving a lot of chainsaw noise.

  4. Essential selective felling of ailing hardwoods is likely be carried out in February.

  5. The demolition work on the west wing at Broomhall is almost complete.

  6. Renovation work has started on the Sutlery building.

  7. Giant Hogweed on around Lyne Burn. CRT stated that spraying would be carried out and confirmed that this would extend to the path along the railway line.


  1. Proposed new street lighting columns.

  1. A planning application has been lodged for Red Row, but not yet for Charlestown Green.

  2. Secretary has been trying, but failing, to discover what Fife Council’s policy is with reference to street lighting in conservation areas. An apparently reasonable policy was quoted to her, but it was definitely not followed for Brucehaven Road and Church Street.

  3. John Anderson of Transportation is helpful, but as puzzled about policy as we are.


  1. The Yard Project. Scottish Lime Centre.

  1. The Lime Centre is in the process of submitting funding applications for the ‘Yard’ project, and wished the Community Council to discuss their ideas.

  2. The low attendance meant there was little discussion.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. Balances: BoS - £487.77; DBS - £1710.87; RFRD - £1072.14.

  2. Application form for annual grant prepared for submission

  3. Many thanks to Sam Burton for her examination of the accounts..


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Information received about ‘The Big Lunch’ on June 1st.

  2. APRS newsletter and notice of AGM

  3. Fife Advocacy Strategy launch event

  4. Third Sector conference 27th May.

  5. NHS seeking public representation on medicines reconciliation group.


  1. Councillor Slot.

Both councillors had personal commitments which took priority over attendance this evening.


  1. AOCB

Chairman had been contacted about football on the Green. Community Council advice on the issue is recorded in the minute of the meeting of May 2011.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 27th May 2014 in the Gellet Hall. AGM at 7.30pm. Ordinary meeting at 7.50pm

 

 

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