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CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 27.05.2014


Present: Sue Hamilton, Alex Hill, Peter Curry, Kat Tebbutt, Lesley Scott, Callum MacInnes


In attendance: Cllr Callaghan, Suze Anderson, Mike Brockie, Bill Gray, Fiona Davies, Rebecca


Apologies: Annie Nally


  1. Note of the meeting of 29th April 2014

No formal approval was possible.

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 29th April 2014

  1. CC recruitment. Fiona Davies joined at tonight’s AGM. We will also invite Mandy Littlewood and Katie Hay, who have also expressed interest.

  2. Junction with A985. Secretary had spoken to George Henry, traffic safety manager for Transport Scotland, who had been at the meeting in January. He said he had been shocked at how bad the situation was when they left the meeting at 5.15pm. He would arrange a meeting at the beginning of June with BEAR and with Babcock – where the consequences of the congestion are also severe. George said that technology – such as ‘static loops’ - is available to alert trunk road traffic to minor road traffic waiting to join, and everything and anything would be done to resolve the difficulties at our junction.

  3. Rosyth Graveyard. Temporary repairs have been made to the small pedestrian gate.

  4. Parking at The Cairns. Secretary has arranged a site meeting with an officer from Fife Council’s housing department next week.

  5. Garage at Brucehaven Crescent. Councillor Callaghan had brought a senior Fife Council officer to a site meeting. She believed the situation would be resolved by offering individuals the opportunity to purchase the pieces of land they require.

  6. Giant Hogweed. Spraying by the Estate is ongoing, weather permitting. There is a bad patch by the old foundry. The Estate was thanked for its attention to this matter.

  1. Police Report. Parked Range Rover.

  1. Sgt Neill’s report said there had been 13 calls to the Call Centre but no crimes recorded.

  2. The parking problem at South Loanhead has been addressed through removal of the skip from the driveway.

  3. Callum and Kat had attended the Police Engagement meeting. The parked Range Rover had been a major topic of conversation. PC Chandler said that, although no offence was being committed, he would speak to the owner – since so much concern about the hazard caused was still being raised.

  4. Thefts from floral displays and motor bikes on the cycle track were also raised.

  5. PC Chandler stated that speeding on the Prom will be monitored as a matter of urgency.


  1. Proposed new houses at Pattiesmuir

  1. Rebecca said that a meeting with residents would be arranged.

  2. Although the ‘piggery’ is outside the village envelope, there is an opportunity to alter designations in the new FifePlan development plan.


  1. Proposed new street lighting columns.

  1. Secretary had written an account of our community’s experience with street lighting column replacement in conservation areas, and sent it to anyone she thought might be involved! It had elicited a limited response. There is still an intention to put modern columns on Charlestown Green, although Fife still have to apply to themselves for planning permission.


  1. Fife Access Seminar

This will be on Weds 4th June from 9am to 1pm at St Brycedales in Kirkcaldy.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. Balances: BoS - £487.77; DBS - £1710.87; RFRD - £1072.14.

  2. Application form for annual grant can now be submitted.

  3. Dunfermline Building Society is being taken over by the Nationwide. A letter to this effect had been sent to Liz Hutchins (who has not been Treasurer for some 5 years). Suze will speak to DBS about their failure to record this alteration.


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Trip hazard at Capernaum Court. Secretary knew of four individuals who had tripped on a raised paving slab when delivering to the flats in Capernaum Court. The flats in question are owned by village residents but rented out. Secretary will enquire of Fife Council’s Housing department whether it retains ownership of the garden area and access to the flats.

  2. Paths for All’ are running free Path maintenance courses at Glenrothes and Oatridge. Secretary has details.

  3. Subsidised bus service consultation. Fife Council want to know more about the use and value of the 71 and 86 bus services. Survey forms are available at the Bus Station and Ferrytoll.

  4. Aircraft Carrier Naming Ceremony 4th July. Secretary had received an email today with a general message of discouragement to anyone thinking they could go along. It is not a public event. There will be significant disruption in the area. Army are responsible for site security internally and Police Scotland outside site boundary.

  5. Fife Council has a mobile exhibition of the First World War. Peter had seen it at an event. Kat will pass the information on to the Gala committee.


  1. Councillor Slot.

Nothing that has not already been discussed


  1. AOCB

None


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 24th June 2014 in the Gellet Hall.

 


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

NOTE OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 29.04.2014


Present: Sue Hamilton, Alex Hill,


In attendance: Charlie Reid Thomas, Mike Brockie, Nan Whetton, Tom Leatherland,


Apologies: Peter Curry, Geoff Cartwright, Barbara MacKenzie, Kat Tebbutt, Sgt Jillian Neill, Cllr Kate Stuart, Cllr Callaghan.


The meeting was not quorate.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 25th March 2014

No formal approval was possible.

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 25th March 2014

  1. CC recruitment. Tonight is perhaps an indication of the need for more members!

  2. Junction with A985. Traffic Scotland have yet to respond to the Secretary following the analysis of the results of the survey.in early April.

  3. Rosyth Graveyard. The small pedestrian gate is now also falling apart.

  4. Parking at The Cairns. Councillor Callaghan has apparently not followed it up.

  5. Garage at Brucehaven Crescent. Neither Councillor has yet been effective in achieving a resolution to the muddle over land ownership created by Fife Council.

  1. Police Report. Parked Range Rover.

  1. Sgt Neill’s report said there had been a number of calls to the Call Centre and one offence. Several of the calls related to the Range Rover which is regularly parked on Church Street opposite the junction with Sandilands and Brucehaven Road. Sgt Neill said that several of her officers had followed up these calls and deemed that no offence was being committed.

  2. While it may be the case that no offence is being committed, the Secretary had requested a site meeting with PC Harvey. She had demonstrated to him the reasons that residents find the parked vehicle to be a hazard to traffic turning right out of Sandilands/Brucehaven Road. It was further pointed out at the CC meeting how difficult it is to turn left out of the Old Orchard because the parked vehicle not only restricts visibility, but also and blocks the route to be taken out of the junction.

  3. All present at the meeting believed the Highway Code had something to say about parking near a junction. (Post meeting note: Indeed it does ‘Do not stop or park opposite or within 10 meters of a junction.’ It also says ‘Do not park facing against the traffic flow’.) Even if these are only advisory, these are two bits of advice that are being ignored.

  4. Parking problems previously reported do not appear to have been addressed.


  1. Proposed new houses at Pattiesmuir

  1. Pattiesmuir residents are disappointed that there has, to date, been no response from the Estate to their request for a meeting where all the issues and concerns could be raised. In the Secretary’s experience, such early meetings are of great benefit to all because they provide a non-threatening space in which the motivation and values of the various parties can emerge. The later in the process that such meetings are held, the more likely it is that positions and views will become entrenched and reduce the chance of mutual understanding.

  2. The Secretary asked if it was the case that the Estate was taking some time in proving ‘title’ to the land in question. Charlie Reid Thomas agreed that this was the main reason for delay, and apologized for not telling the residents that this was the case.

  3. CRT sought to confirm the name of the person in Pattiesmuir with whom he should correspond. It was confirmed that Geoff Cartwright is the elected Community Councillor for Pattiesmuir. It may be that Ms Davies requires to be copied into correspondence.


  1. Broomhall Estate. Other Issues.

  1. The state of the unmade road in Pattiesmuir is again a cause of serious concern. CRT suggested that nothing more would be done until houses are built. Residents find this unsatisfactory.

  2. The Core Path over Gallowridge has been re-routed round the north of the farm buildings, and to the north side of the plantation.

  3. There are to be major thinning works in the conifer plantations to the west of Broomhall involving a lot of chainsaw noise.

  4. Essential selective felling of ailing hardwoods is likely be carried out in February.

  5. The demolition work on the west wing at Broomhall is almost complete.

  6. Renovation work has started on the Sutlery building.

  7. Giant Hogweed on around Lyne Burn. CRT stated that spraying would be carried out and confirmed that this would extend to the path along the railway line.


  1. Proposed new street lighting columns.

  1. A planning application has been lodged for Red Row, but not yet for Charlestown Green.

  2. Secretary has been trying, but failing, to discover what Fife Council’s policy is with reference to street lighting in conservation areas. An apparently reasonable policy was quoted to her, but it was definitely not followed for Brucehaven Road and Church Street.

  3. John Anderson of Transportation is helpful, but as puzzled about policy as we are.


  1. The Yard Project. Scottish Lime Centre.

  1. The Lime Centre is in the process of submitting funding applications for the ‘Yard’ project, and wished the Community Council to discuss their ideas.

  2. The low attendance meant there was little discussion.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. Balances: BoS - £487.77; DBS - £1710.87; RFRD - £1072.14.

  2. Application form for annual grant prepared for submission

  3. Many thanks to Sam Burton for her examination of the accounts..


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Information received about ‘The Big Lunch’ on June 1st.

  2. APRS newsletter and notice of AGM

  3. Fife Advocacy Strategy launch event

  4. Third Sector conference 27th May.

  5. NHS seeking public representation on medicines reconciliation group.


  1. Councillor Slot.

Both councillors had personal commitments which took priority over attendance this evening.


  1. AOCB

Chairman had been contacted about football on the Green. Community Council advice on the issue is recorded in the minute of the meeting of May 2011.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 27th May 2014 in the Gellet Hall. AGM at 7.30pm. Ordinary meeting at 7.50pm


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 25.03.2014


Present: Peter Curry, Sue Hamilton, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Annie Nally, Kat Tebbutt, Callum MacInnes, Ian Cruikshanks,


In attendance:, Peter Hutchings, Margaret Hemmings, Myra Pater, Irene Ferguson, Anne Steele (Pattiesmuir residents), Cllr Callaghan, Moira Adams, Mike Brockie, John Haxton, Phil Whetton, Nan Whetton, Karen Grant, Rob Thompson, Fiona Thompson, Tom Leatherland, Doreen Kempsell, Arran Imrie, Barbara MacKenzie and Tom Bishop (Dunfermline Advocacy Initiative)


Apologies: Geoff Cartwright, Sgt Jillian Neill, Cllr Kate Stuart


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 25th February 2014

These were approved as a true record. Lesley proposed; Alex seconded.

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 25th February 2014

  1. CC recruitment. Secretary welcomed CC Callum MacInnes as an eighth member. There are still five vacancies!). Community Council elections will be held later this year. It would be great if we had enough volunteers to require an election to be held!

  2. Junction with A985. Bear’s analysis of the camera survey will be submitted to Traffic Scotland in early April.

  3. West Road resurfacing. This was done. Secretary had contacted Traffic Management to see whether the ‘cushions’ could be replaced by full width humps, but was told this would require a new Traffic Order and a long legal process

  4. Rosyth Graveyard. Bereavement Services have installed a beautiful replacement gate.

  5. Parking at The Cairns. The subject had not yet been raised at the last West Area committee. Councillor Callaghan will follow it up.

  6. Garage at Brucehaven Crescent. Councillor Stuart had met the affected residents. She is hopeful that a sensible solution will emerge.

  7. Beach Clean. This was held last Saturday. Thanks Kat for excellent organization and achieving such a good turnout, despite the absence of goodies from Greggs. There is to be another Beach Clean in June.

  1. Police Matters.

  1. Parking problems do not appear to have been addressed.

  2. Written report from Sgt Neill listed four reports: uncorroborated driving complaint on Dunfermline Road, dog bite in Mylneburn Gardens, theft in Upper Wellheads (enquiries on-going), sudden death in Charlestown.

  3. During patrols over the last few weeks Sgt Neill has personally attended at the Scout Hall and there hasn’t been anyone hanging about. (Things may change when the weather improves).


  1. Proposed new houses at Pattiesmuir

  1. Barbara Mackenzie reported on discussions from a meeting of Pattiesmuir residents held last Sunday.

  2. Serious concerns had been expressed about the substantial percentage increase in the number of dwellings in the village, and the consequent pressure on infrastructure.

  3. It is not only the fact that the road is not planned to ever be of adoptable standard. It is also the proposal for a densely packed cul-de-sac with no formal turning space and insufficient width for the safe passing of vehicles. Electricity overhead lines are vulnerable and under-capacity, there having been a number of Pattiesmuir-specific power cuts of late. The mains water pressure is also low. All sewage disposal is by septic tank, either individual or shared – the latter causing some difficulty between the different users.

  4. There has, to date, been no response from the Estate concerning issues raised at the last meeting and, in particular, no information about the relative density of current housing and that proposed in the development.  Kathleen agreed to take the new issues of power and water supply away for consideration.

  5. Residents made a formal request that Broomhall Estate arrange to meet with the residents of Pattiesmuir.


  1. Broomhall Estate

  1. Pothole at north east corner of Charlestown Green needs dealing with. It is a good time to inspect it now because it is not full of water and the depth and sharpness are evident.

  2. The state of the unmade road in Pattiesmuir is again a cause of serious concern.


  1. Dunfermline Advocacy Initiative

  1. Barbara Mackenzie thanked the Community Council for the opportunity for her and her colleague, Tom Bishop, to speak about the work of Dunfermline Advocacy Initiative.

  2. They provide ‘citizen advocacy’ for vulnerable people in the community. Friendships that develop between the clients and their volunteers can be short term or last for years, and they often change lives and prospects for individuals. No qualification is required of the volunteers who are CRB checked and who are provided with appropriate training.

  3. Alex Hill has been a citizen advocate for several months. He described how it worked for him and the client whom he befriends.

  4. Tom is working on a short term project linked to the imminent integration of Health and Social Care in Scotland. This scheme will see the personalization of the care package which vulnerable individuals receive. Tom’s work will involve supporting individuals in selecting and developing the care package which is right for them.


  1. Future of Crombie School

  1. Tony Orton, chairman of Crombie Residents’ Association had asked if he might address this Community Council. (It had been found that, in a small community such as Crombie, it had been difficult to maintain attendance of elected members at such a level that a Community Council there could function. The Community Council had now been replaced by the Residents’ Association, the focus of which, of late, has been the threatened closure of the school.)

  2. The consultation currently underway is on the proposal to close the school and transfer the pupils to Limekilns.

  3. The Residents’ Association, who are campaigning to keep the school open, have a day of action this Wednesday, on the day when Fife Council is hosting a drop-in event at the school. There is also to be a drop-in event at Limekilns school on Thursday of this week. (No-one present had been aware of seeing any overt publicity for this event.)

  4. There has been a suggestion from the Residents’ Association that, in order to keep Crombie open and make best use of the building, the Nursery might transfer to Crombie. A number of reasons were given why this would be unlikely to find favour with parents in Limekilns.

  5. Cllr Callaghan stated that a decision whether or not to close the school would always have to be made against the fact that it costs £15,000 per pupil to keep Crombie open, as against £4,000 per pupil if they were transferred to Limekilns.

  6. Mr Orton was thanked for addressing the Community Council.

  7. (After note, the Chair attended the consultation meeting with the education department in Limekilns School on the Thursday evening and it was noted that the residents of Crombie had proposed moving the nursery from Limekilns to Crombie and that, as a result, Fife Council will be considering and responding to this.)


  1. Arran Imrie, filming project.

Arran lives in Pattiesmuir, and is studying film production. For his student project he has chosen to make three short advertising films for the Sundial Café. He has carried out a lot of preparatory work and it has been suggested by his tutor that he should seek permission for this project. We can only say that we are delighted that he has chosen a local project but that we are not in a position to grant ‘permission’. As Google has demonstrated with its ‘Street View’, anyone can film in the public realm, as long as they do not invade privacy or use images of recognizable individuals without their permission. Secretary will write him a letter of support for his endeavours and wish him well.

  1. Proposed new street lighting columns in Charlestown

  1. Secretary had been contacted by John Anderson of Fife Council, who said that it is proposed to renew the lighting columns in the whole of upper Charlestown.

  2. This raises the serious issue of ‘modern’ versus ‘period’ design. Fife Council policy on this matter has never been consistent, and we have old and new side by side in Limekilns.

  3. The meeting agreed that, since Charlestown Green is such an important conservation area where householders have to conform to very strict guidelines as to what alterations are made to their property, the local authority should not be allowed to get away with using a modern cheaper alternative on the grounds of cost. Many householders would have been delighted to use modern cheaper alternatives on their own properties if that had been ‘allowed’.

  4. Secretary will write to Mr Anderson accordingly.


  1. Application for variation of liquor license at Forth Cruising Club.

The Cruising Club has applied for a variation in licensing hours, so that their modest social programme is not restricted by the necessity to terminate functions early. What is proposed is the standard licensing hours. The Community Council has no objection. Secretary will write to confirm this.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. Balances unchanged from last month: BoS - £487.77; DBS - £1710.29; RFRD - £1072.14

  2. End of year accounts have been prepared.

  3. Application form for annual grant has been received.


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Forth Bridges anniversary event organisers are looking for volunteers to help with the event. Contact volunteering@indigops.com

  2. Fife Council want to know if we want more drinking byelaw signs. No we don’t.

  3. Secretary had forwarded to the Gala Secretary an email offering wrestling as an entertainment event.

  4. Secretary had received an e-mail asking about placing a memorial bench on the Ballast bank. Kathleen will check with the Estate. Secretary will pass details to Fife Council.

  5. Road works at Halketts Hall this week are to do with undergrounding telephone cables.


  1. Councillor Slot.

Nothing beyond what has been discussed.


  1. AOCB

  1. Cruising Club ‘craning in’ will be on the weekend of 12th – 13th April. Access to Capernaum Pier will be restricted.

  2. The verge at the road junction has been cultivated by Fife Council in anticipation of the planting of annual flower seeds.

  3. Limekilns Pier. Russell Kelly, who was to take a lead on repairs, has been out of action for a variety of reasons.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 29th April 2014 in the Gellet Hall

 

 

 


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 25.03.2014


Present: Peter Curry, Sue Hamilton, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Annie Nally, Kat Tebbutt, Callum MacInnes, Ian Cruikshanks,


In attendance:, Peter Hutchings, Margaret Hemmings, Myra Pater, Irene Ferguson, Anne Steele (Pattiesmuir residents), Cllr Callaghan, Moira Adams, Mike Brockie, John Haxton, Phil Whetton, Nan Whetton, Karen Grant, Rob Thompson, Fiona Thompson, Tom Leatherland, Doreen Kempsell, Arran Imrie, Barbara MacKenzie and Tom Bishop (Dunfermline Advocacy Initiative)


Apologies: Geoff Cartwright, Sgt Jillian Neill, Cllr Kate Stuart


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 25th February 2014

These were approved as a true record. Lesley proposed; Alex seconded.

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 25th February 2014

  1. CC recruitment. Secretary welcomed CC Callum MacInnes as an eighth member. There are still five vacancies!). Community Council elections will be held later this year. It would be great if we had enough volunteers to require an election to be held!

  2. Junction with A985. Bear’s analysis of the camera survey will be submitted to Traffic Scotland in early April.

  3. West Road resurfacing. This was done. Secretary had contacted Traffic Management to see whether the ‘cushions’ could be replaced by full width humps, but was told this would require a new Traffic Order and a long legal process

  4. Rosyth Graveyard. Bereavement Services have installed a beautiful replacement gate.

  5. Parking at The Cairns. The subject had not yet been raised at the last West Area committee. Councillor Callaghan will follow it up.

  6. Garage at Brucehaven Crescent. Councillor Stuart had met the affected residents. She is hopeful that a sensible solution will emerge.

  7. Beach Clean. This was held last Saturday. Thanks Kat for excellent organization and achieving such a good turnout, despite the absence of goodies from Greggs. There is to be another Beach Clean in June.

  1. Police Matters.

  1. Parking problems do not appear to have been addressed.

  2. Written report from Sgt Neill listed four reports: uncorroborated driving complaint on Dunfermline Road, dog bite in Mylneburn Gardens, theft in Upper Wellheads (enquiries on-going), sudden death in Charlestown.

  3. During patrols over the last few weeks Sgt Neill has personally attended at the Scout Hall and there hasn’t been anyone hanging about. (Things may change when the weather improves).


  1. Proposed new houses at Pattiesmuir

  1. Barbara Mackenzie reported on discussions from a meeting of Pattiesmuir residents held last Sunday.

  2. Serious concerns had been expressed about the substantial percentage increase in the number of dwellings in the village, and the consequent pressure on infrastructure.

  3. It is not only the fact that the road is not planned to ever be of adoptable standard. It is also the proposal for a densely packed cul-de-sac with no formal turning space and insufficient width for the safe passing of vehicles. Electricity overhead lines are vulnerable and under-capacity, there having been a number of Pattiesmuir-specific power cuts of late. The mains water pressure is also low. All sewage disposal is by septic tank, either individual or shared – the latter causing some difficulty between the different users.

  4. There has, to date, been no response from the Estate concerning issues raised at the last meeting and, in particular, no information about the relative density of current housing and that proposed in the development.  Kathleen agreed to take the new issues of power and water supply away for consideration.

  5. Residents made a formal request that Broomhall Estate arrange to meet with the residents of Pattiesmuir.


  1. Broomhall Estate

  1. Pothole at north east corner of Charlestown Green needs dealing with. It is a good time to inspect it now because it is not full of water and the depth and sharpness are evident.

  2. The state of the unmade road in Pattiesmuir is again a cause of serious concern.


  1. Dunfermline Advocacy Initiative

  1. Barbara Mackenzie thanked the Community Council for the opportunity for her and her colleague, Tom Bishop, to speak about the work of Dunfermline Advocacy Initiative.

  2. They provide ‘citizen advocacy’ for vulnerable people in the community. Friendships that develop between the clients and their volunteers can be short term or last for years, and they often change lives and prospects for individuals. No qualification is required of the volunteers who are CRB checked and who are provided with appropriate training.

  3. Alex Hill has been a citizen advocate for several months. He described how it worked for him and the client whom he befriends.

  4. Tom is working on a short term project linked to the imminent integration of Health and Social Care in Scotland. This scheme will see the personalization of the care package which vulnerable individuals receive. Tom’s work will involve supporting individuals in selecting and developing the care package which is right for them.


  1. Future of Crombie School

  1. Tony Orton, chairman of Crombie Residents’ Association had asked if he might address this Community Council. (It had been found that, in a small community such as Crombie, it had been difficult to maintain attendance of elected members at such a level that a Community Council there could function. The Community Council had now been replaced by the Residents’ Association, the focus of which, of late, has been the threatened closure of the school.)

  2. The consultation currently underway is on the proposal to close the school and transfer the pupils to Limekilns.

  3. The Residents’ Association, who are campaigning to keep the school open, have a day of action this Wednesday, on the day when Fife Council is hosting a drop-in event at the school. There is also to be a drop-in event at Limekilns school on Thursday of this week. (No-one present had been aware of seeing any overt publicity for this event.)

  4. There has been a suggestion from the Residents’ Association that, in order to keep Crombie open and make best use of the building, the Nursery might transfer to Crombie. A number of reasons were given why this would be unlikely to find favour with parents in Limekilns.

  5. Cllr Callaghan stated that a decision whether or not to close the school would always have to be made against the fact that it costs £15,000 per pupil to keep Crombie open, as against £4,000 per pupil if they were transferred to Limekilns.

  6. Mr Orton was thanked for addressing the Community Council.

  7. (After note, the Chair attended the consultation meeting with the education department in Limekilns School on the Thursday evening and it was noted that the residents of Crombie had proposed moving the nursery from Limekilns to Crombie and that, as a result, Fife Council will be considering and responding to this.)


  1. Arran Imrie, filming project.

Arran lives in Pattiesmuir, and is studying film production. For his student project he has chosen to make three short advertising films for the Sundial Café. He has carried out a lot of preparatory work and it has been suggested by his tutor that he should seek permission for this project. We can only say that we are delighted that he has chosen a local project but that we are not in a position to grant ‘permission’. As Google has demonstrated with its ‘Street View’, anyone can film in the public realm, as long as they do not invade privacy or use images of recognizable individuals without their permission. Secretary will write him a letter of support for his endeavours and wish him well.

  1. Proposed new street lighting columns in Charlestown

  1. Secretary had been contacted by John Anderson of Fife Council, who said that it is proposed to renew the lighting columns in the whole of upper Charlestown.

  2. This raises the serious issue of ‘modern’ versus ‘period’ design. Fife Council policy on this matter has never been consistent, and we have old and new side by side in Limekilns.

  3. The meeting agreed that, since Charlestown Green is such an important conservation area where householders have to conform to very strict guidelines as to what alterations are made to their property, the local authority should not be allowed to get away with using a modern cheaper alternative on the grounds of cost. Many householders would have been delighted to use modern cheaper alternatives on their own properties if that had been ‘allowed’.

  4. Secretary will write to Mr Anderson accordingly.


  1. Application for variation of liquor license at Forth Cruising Club.

The Cruising Club has applied for a variation in licensing hours, so that their modest social programme is not restricted by the necessity to terminate functions early. What is proposed is the standard licensing hours. The Community Council has no objection. Secretary will write to confirm this.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. Balances unchanged from last month: BoS - £487.77; DBS - £1710.29; RFRD - £1072.14

  2. End of year accounts have been prepared.

  3. Application form for annual grant has been received.


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Forth Bridges anniversary event organisers are looking for volunteers to help with the event. Contact volunteering@indigops.com

  2. Fife Council want to know if we want more drinking byelaw signs. No we don’t.

  3. Secretary had forwarded to the Gala Secretary an email offering wrestling as an entertainment event.

  4. Secretary had received an e-mail asking about placing a memorial bench on the Ballast bank. Kathleen will check with the Estate. Secretary will pass details to Fife Council.

  5. Road works at Halketts Hall this week are to do with undergrounding telephone cables.


  1. Councillor Slot.

Nothing beyond what has been discussed.


  1. AOCB

  1. Cruising Club ‘craning in’ will be on the weekend of 12th – 13th April. Access to Capernaum Pier will be restricted.

  2. The verge at the road junction has been cultivated by Fife Council in anticipation of the planting of annual flower seeds.

  3. Limekilns Pier. Russell Kelly, who was to take a lead on repairs, has been out of action for a variety of reasons.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 29th April 2014 in the Gellet Hall


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 25.02.2014


Present: Geoff Cartwright, Peter Curry, Sue Hamilton, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Ian Cruikshanks, Charlie Reid Thomas,


In attendance: Carole Muir, Fiona Davies, Robin Gray (Pattiesmuir residents), Andrew and Georgia McCafferty and Steve Runciman (with Charlie Reid Thomas), Keith Poulner (Kapital Developments), Suze Anderson, Malcolm Hamilton, David Gray, Margaret Lobley, David Gostick, Callum MacInnes, Lorna Wilkie,


Apologies: Annie Nally, Kat Tebbutt, Tom Scott, Sgt Jillian Neill, Cllr Callaghan.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 28th January 2014

These were approved as a true record. Lesley proposed; Suze Anderson seconded.

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 28th January 2014

  1. CC recruitment. We only have seven full members at present. Secretary has written a CC recruitment piece in Village Link. Callum MacInnes, in attendance today, has recently moved to the village and is interested in joining that Community Council.

  2. Speeding on Overhaven. Results of speed assessment did not provide evidence of a priority need for traffic calming measures, but it will be put on the list for future attention. The new measure that Tom Scott had reported at Grange Road is to be a speed table, rather than cushions.

  3. Crombie School. Councillors voted for closure of Crombie and transfer to Limekilns as of October this year. However, this decision is to be subject of further scrutiny in terms of governance.

  4. Red Row lighting columns. Secretary had elicited a response today. There is to be a planning application for the replacement of the columns like for like with aluminium columns.

  5. FIFEplan consultation. Secretary had made submissions on behalf of the Community Council. Had been wrong-footed by the fact that the consultation closed at 5pm on the final day, rather than 11.59 as it has been in the past. She was given extra time after pointing out that the change of time had not been highlighted. The web site for FIFEplan is well designed. Search for FIFEplan on www.fifedirect.org.uk Click on ‘See the sites for your area’. As you click further on each site, a panel comes up describing the proposal in brief. Click again on ‘comments’ and you will see the comments that have been made.

  6. Representatives from Dunfermline Advocacy will come to the March meeting.

  7. Path reconstruction at the Cairns. Secretary had been told that the total cost of the path had been £5,046.99. She had spoken to Lynn Hoey, Locality Manager, who said that Fife Council priorities meant that additional car parking was out of the question. However, she would ask John McQueen to look at the cost of laying additional ‘Grasscrete’.

  8. Rosyth Graveyard. Secretary had met a man called Mitch of Bereavement Services about the broken gate and collapsed fence.

  9. Beach Clean. This would be on 23rd March. This is to fit in with the Keep Scotland Beautiful clean up season. Another could be arranged later in the season if plenty of volunteers are available.


  1. Police Matters.

  1. Parking problems do not appear to have been addressed.

  2. No crimes have been reported in the villages in the past month.


  1. Junction with A985.

  1. Cameras and speed assessment measures had been in place from Tuesday to Friday last week.

  2. BEAR vehicles seen at the junction today were repairing gullies.



  1. Submarine Dismantling consultation.

  1. We have received no formal notification of this, despite our having been fully involved in the earlier consultation.

  2. The consultation runs until April 22nd (despite the fact that it says, in several places, including the Edinburgh Gazette that it is for 30 days from January 17th)

  3. Tom Leatherland has copied to the Secretary, the letter he has written. Secretary suggests that the main point we shall make is that we should be included on the Local Liaison Committee.

  4. In general, things will be done in such a way as not to endanger workers on site. It is therefore unlikely that there will be radiological hazard to any neighbouring communities.


  1. Broomhall EstateProposed new houses at Pattiesmuir

  1. Andrew McCafferty, planning consultant for Broomhall Estate, presented an outline of the housing sites the Estate hoped to develop in Pattiesmuir.

  2. Steve Runciman, Architect was also present to explain the concept.

  3. Background: An earlier planning application for building on the three plots had been refused on the grounds that access to the main road required visibility splays before any additional houses could be built. Broomhall Estate has subsequently purchased Kilberry Cottage from which garden ground can be released.

  4. The plan prepared for the Estate showed a proposal to build nine houses rather than the four indicated in the previous proposal! This was a great surprise to residents and Community Council alike.

  5. The roadway to access these properties would be improved but would never be of sufficient width to be adopted by Fife Council. This was also at odds with what had been understood with the earlier plans, when the road would have been improved to adoptable standards for the length required to access the new properties.

  6. The proposed roadway is effectively a cul-de-sac but has narrow width and no turning circle so is unlikely to be adequate to serve the number of properties proposed.

  7. The loss of the casual parking area and turning point beyond the College would cause difficulty for all who live in and visit Pattiesmuir.

  8. Addition of 9 properties would constitute an increase of over 40% in the size of Pattiesmuir.

  9. Secretary asked that a copy of the plan be emailed to her for onward distribution.

  10. Pattiesmuir residents were asked to put their concerns in writing to the Estate Office


  1. Hilton Development at Rosyth

  1. Keith Poulner described and explained the plans for the first phase of the development which is to be in the south-west corner near the ‘Lexmark’ roundabout. This is to be shopping parade, including a modest Sainsbury store, with flats above. Design to reflect the garden city architecture.

  2. He had been as surprised as we were when Transport Scotland did not allow access to the new development off the ‘Lexmark’ roundabout. Instead, there is to be a right turn off the hill on Brankholm Brae. This appeared to the Community Council to be a somewhat hazardous option.

  3. Information about the development is available at www.hiltondevelopments.co.uk


  1. Treasurer's Report

  • DBS - £1710.29

  • RFRD - £1072.14

  • BoS - £487.77


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Notice received today of an impending review by the Boundary commission of council ward boundaries.

  2. Potholes at Charlestown Green. Major potholes have developed again near the north-east corner. A request was made to the Estate Factor for them to be filled.

  3. Garage site at Brucehaven Crescent. Purchaser of Margaret Tait’s house in Brucehaven Crescent has been refused a transfer of the lease - on the grounds that there is a ‘waiting list’. Fife Council seems to work its ‘system’ without reference to the fact that this is the only Fife garage site or lock-up in the villages and that it has been leased by the same tenant for some 50 years. Secretary has contacted Lynn Hoey and asked her to look into this situation. Neighbours on either side are concerned about additional traffic taking access in a very narrow lane which is, in any case, owned over half its width by the three property owners.

  4. Coal Bed Methane / Fracking. Through her association with Planning Democracy, secretary had been made aware of the appeal lodged by Dart Energy against the refusal of Falkirk and Stirling Councils to grant planning permission for multiple drilling operations around Larbert and Airth. She had become aware that, through our membership of the West Fife Community Council Forum, our Community Council had been included in an objection to the application on behalf of West Fife residents. The Community Council in the Larbert area is working very hard on challenging the proposal. Secretary had written to all Community Councils in Fife, highlighting how close this industry might be coming to our communities. She had received no acknowledgement from any of them, but found that her letter had been printed verbatim as an article in the Courier!

  5. Tomorrow at 1pm in the Rothes Halls there will be a Scottish Police Authority Board meeting to which members of the public are invited.

  6. APRS Newsletter.

  7. Two mailings about funding for community energy projects.


  1. Councillor Slot. No Councillor


  1. AOCB

  1. Today, Secretary had received notice that West Road is to be resurfaced. This is not the long-awaited resurfacing of the carriageway between the corner and the railway bridge, but West Road between the Sutlery and the corner. This is to involve daytime road closure from 10th – 14th March. Meeting suggested it would be an opportunity to replace the awful cushions with full width speed humps. Secretary will enquire.

  2. Limekilns Church has made an application for funding repairs of the building to Fife Environment Trust who require evidence of support from the community by way of a petition. Those present were invited to sign the petition.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 25th March 2

 

 


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 28.01.2014


Present: Sue Hamilton, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Annie Nally, Kat Tebbutt, Tom Scott


In attendance: Sgt Jillian Neill, Suze Anderson, Doreen Kempsell, Tom Leatherland, Evelyn and Trevor Jones, Philip and Mary Melville, Rob Thompson


Apologies: Geoff Cartwright, Peter Curry, Allison Macdonald, Kathleen Kilpatrick, Cllr Callaghan.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 26th November 2013

These were approved as a true record. Lesley proposed, Alex seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 26th November 2013

  1. Alex is feeding information onto the Facebook page. Sue will put its address on the Noticeboards and give it a mention in Village Link.

  2. Bins at Limekilns Park. Two new bins have been installed. Thanks to John McQueen.

  3. CC recruitment. Allison MacDonald has indicated that she is stepping down as a member, as she finds it difficult to get to meetings. Thanks Allison for your time on the Community Council. Secretary will write a CC recruitment piece in Village Link

  4. Speeding on Overhaven. Speed assessment was carried out over a period of eight days in mid-January. No results yet. Tom Scott reported that Grange Road is getting one pair of speed cushions to protect children who cross the road en route to school. Meeting was of the view that this should be a full-width hump if it was to be effective.

  5. Crombie School. The outcome of the consultation on the proposed closure of Crombie and inclusion of the village in the Cairneyhill catchment area is that this was unsuitable and will not go ahead. Instead, there is to be a whole new consultation on the proposal to close Crombie and make it part of the Limekilns catchment area!

  6. Red Row lighting columns. Still no action despite reminders by Secretary.

  7. Playgroup has ceased to operate as a service provider for Fife Council. It is likely to reopen in the autumn as a parent-led group operating for fewer hours.

  8. Rosyth Graveyard. Secretary had contacted Liz Murphy of Bereavement Services, who had said an officer would be in touch about the broken gate and collapsed fence.

  9. Road works at the Glen Gates. Fife Council has now terminated the contract with Byzak and will be seeking tenders from other contractors to finish the job. In the meantime, the traffic lights will be removed and the road surface reinstated.


  1. Police Matters.

  1. Sgt Jillian Neill is now Sergeant at Oakley and introduced herself to the meeting. She had attended the recent Community Engagement meeting in Limekilns as well as the recent meeting with BEAR and Transport Scotland (next item). There is now a strong community team at Oakley. The best way to contact them is through the contact centre. Dial 101 and ask to speak to the Oakley community team or leave a message for them.


  1. Junction with A985

  1. With the support of village resident Andy Jones (of the Speed Camera partnership), the Secretary had convened a meeting with Transport Scotland and BEAR to discuss the problems that now exist for traffic turning right out of the villages during the morning and evening peaks. The meeting was attended by George Henry, Road Safety Manager, Transport Scotland, Marco Badelli, Area Manager for Transport Scotland, George Boyd and Stephen Kitt of BEAR, Andy Jones, Sgt Jillian Neill, Peter Curry, Sue Hamilton, Kat Tebbutt, Lesley Scott, Moira Adams.

  2. George Boyd reported on the assessment he had made of the junction. He had found that the junction was functioning ‘well within capacity’ and that the accident record showed that there had been only one serious injury accident in the past ten years. Villagers described their long waits, the risk-taking involved in making a right turn, and the frequency of near misses. It is understood that if drivers of damaged vehicles exchange details at the time of the accident, there may be no record at all of the accident. Furthermore, the absence of street furniture means that vehicles and their occupants often end up relatively undamaged in the field.

  3. The chaotic scenes at the Caledonia Way roundabout on Hilton Road were also alluded to.

  4. Community Council members emphasised that some action is urgently required. An undertaking was made to install a camera to monitor the junction. It was unlikely that there could ever be major intervention such as a roundabout or traffic lights because of the knock-on effect on tail-backs on the A985. A suggestion was made that street lights at the junction would increase driver awareness of the existence of queuing traffic waiting to join the flow. Officers said that they could discuss the shift times with contractors at the Dockyard, but that they needed to collect their evidence first. Officers were thanked for the time and were asked to leave the meeting sharply so that they could have the full right turn experience at around 5.15pm.

  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Works behind Charles Court. Secretary reported that water was now only very occasionally flowing onto the road and, when it did so, it did not normally last for more than a few hours. Site meeting still required to think of ways of discouraging walkers and cyclists from using the French drain as a path.

  2. Shoots on the Estate. Shoots generally happen on a Friday during the winter months. The Estate has, this year, erected much more effective notices which clearly advise walkers to take alternative routes and to not take access through the Estate when shooting is in progress. Fife Council’s Access Officer had been contacted by Broomhall Estate because a few individuals are, apparently ignoring the notices. The Access Code advises that the public should be alert to the possibility of shooting taking place and take account of advice on alternative routes. The Access Officer had made a site visit and had spoken to a number of individuals about the need to take ‘responsible access’.


  1. Planning

  1. FIFEplan consultation. Our approved Local Development Plan is the Dunfermline and West Fife Local Plan, adopted in November 2012. With the ink barely dry on it, there is now a consultation on the next Local Plan which will be Fife-wide. Landowners and developers have submitted many of the same sites for inclusion in the plan. As far as our villages are concerned, the land to the east of Limekilns, land to the west of the cricket pitch and the Ballast Bank were submitted for inclusion, but only Ballast Bank has been included in the draft plan – as a site for mixed use development with a potential for 30 houses. One of the Rosyth sites submitted is the field beyond the cycle track bordering Caledonia way ‘for employment and community use’. Secretary will email all those on the village contact list, explaining the situation and that the deadline for responses is 5th February. Meeting agreed to object unreservedly to the Rosyth site for the same reasons as we objected before. The meeting agreed that any development of the Ballast Bank must take account of the asbestos, the flood risk, the amenity of existing properties, and the stabilization of the harbour structures. Thirty houses is too many.

  2. Hilton Development. Plans have been submitted for the first phase of the development east of Brankholm Brae. Secretary has invited Keith Poulner to attend the next CC meeting.

  3. Rosyth Biomass Plant. The Scottish government has suddenly given the go-ahead to the Rosyth Biomass plant. Secretary had re-circulated the CC’s very reasoned letter of objection. Nothing has changed. Indeed the economies of biomass generation now seem more dodgy than ever.

  4. Pitliver. Mr and Mrs Barr of Midmill have, after jumping through many hoops, got permission for the modest house they wanted to build on their property.

  5. A planning application at Brucehaven Crescent was of concern to a neighbour who had raised it with the Secretary. Members were not minded to object to the application.


  1. Submarine Dismantling Project.

Yesterday, we heard that Babcock have submitted an application to the Office of Nuclear Regulation to carry out the dismantling of one submarine at Rosyth. There is a 30-day consultation period, starting on 17th January.

  1. Treasurer's Report

  • DBS - £1710.29

  • RFRD - £1071.81

  • BoS - £555.77 (no longer includes any FDG money)

  • Data protection renewal of £35 has been paid.

  • Treasurer requests that expenses be claimed in time for the year end accounts.


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Grant information from Local Area Office. This was passed to Lesley for the FDG.

  2. Dunfermline Advocacy have asked to come and talk to us about their work. Have arranged for Fiona Sword and Tom Bishop to come to the March meeting.

  3. Queen’s Hall AGM Thursday 7pm.

  4. Invitation to a meeting to discuss how Valleyfield disaster 75th anniversary should be marked.

  5. Fife Access Forum event Feb 5th 7 – 9pm.

  6. Loch Leven Walkathon. Poster on the noticeboards.

  7. Path reconstruction at The Cairns. Fife Council workers, a site hut and diggers and dumper trucks arrived unannounced at The Cairns. They were there for the best part of two weeks. It emerged that they were replacing the slab ‘path’ that runs diagonally across the grass, and has proved quite sufficient for the very few people who now use it. A lot of residents are cross that so much time and effort was spent on creating an unnecessary tarmac path, rather than spending money on what they need most – additional parking. Secretary had spoken to residents and undertook to tell the Council of their displeasure. It transpires that this is a rolling programme by ‘Housing’, and no-one ever consults communities or residents as to whether a path is in use. ‘No-one has ever complained before’. She was told we should apply to the locality budget for funds to provide the necessary additional parking spaces.

  8. Dog fouling. Concern had been raised with the Secretary about dog fouling on Charlestown Green. Secretary had contacted the dog warden but was told it is now the job of a Jim Beveridge in ‘Enforcement’. He said that if there was a regular pattern of offending, officers could attend and make their own observations. There is little they can do unless they have good information. There seems to be a problem on dark nights where owners do not keep track of what their dog is up to when it is off the lead!

  9. Medical Waste. On two different occasions medical waste in yellow bags had been dumped on the roadside between Limekilns and Dunfermline. If this happens again, contact the ‘Enforcement’ team as above.

  10. Jayne Baxter MSP letter. Several copies of newsletter had been sent to the Community Council.

  11. Plunkett Scotland had sent information about their activities in Scotland. Plunkett is a Charitable organisation which supports community enterprises. Their advice could be useful if Janice and Jimmy cannot find a buyer for their business.

  12. Letter about Fife’s Cultural Road show.

  13. Fife Carers Newsletter.


  1. Councillor Slot. No Councillor


  1. AOCB

  1. Thanks to a group of energetic volunteers who had done a major tidy-up of Peggy Bell’s Brae.

  2. Kat suggests that Beach clean should be on either 23rd March or 27th April. She will contact Keep Scotland Beautiful.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 25th February 2014 in the Gellet Hall


014 in the Gellet Hall

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 26.11.13


Present: Peter Curry, Sue Hamilton, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Annie Nally, Kat Tebbutt,


In attendance: Cllr Stewart, Kathleen Kilpatrick, Moira Adams, Doreen Kempsell, Ken Kempsell, Tom Leatherland, Mike Graham


Apologies: Geoff Cartwright, Allison Macdonald, Cllr Callaghan.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 29th October 2013

These were approved as a true record. Alex proposed, Annie seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 29th October 2013

  1. We need to make sure our Facebook presence is active. We should put its address on the Noticeboards and give it a mention in Village Link..

  2. Bins at Limekilns Park. Secretary has, today, been told that John McQueen has two bins at the depot which we can have.

  3. CC recruitment. Karen Nicholl and Mike Graham may join in the new year.

  4. War memorial. Secretary had complained that all the old wreaths had been dumped in the bushes rather than being taken away by the council workmen who were supposed to be tidying the site before Remembrance Sunday.

  5. Speeding on Overhaven. Speed assessment yet to be carried out.

  6. Crombie School. Secretary had written to Fife Education officers about the catchment area decision. Cllr Stewart suggested it be copied to Tony Orton.

  7. Fracking in Fife. Secretary had attended a presentation by Friends of the Earth in Glenrothes. She hadn’t felt it very informative. Moira Adams said that an organisation called ‘Frack Off’ had useful literature which she will pass to the Secretary.

  8. Limekilns Park. Queen Elizabeth Field designation. Secretary had been sent a picture of the plaque which will be placed beside a tree that will be planted. No-one really bothered about the designation, but if it gives greater protection to the asset, that’s a good thing.

  9. Scottish Lime Centre. ‘Yard’ Project. Now that training courses are largely based at Merryhill, the open yard at the Lime Centre is an underused space. Consideration is being given to creating an informal outdoor educational lime and stone ‘garden’. This could be a real asset to the villages and give villagers a better connection with what the Lime Centre is and does.

  10. Red Row lighting columns. Nothing done yet.

  11. Christmas Trees. The Charlestown tree will be in the grounds of the Elgin Hotel, in the care of Rob Wemyss. Limekilns tree lighting event will be on 8th December. Thanks to the Estate for the trees.

  12. Playgroup. In the light of the damning hygiene inspection, the endless bureaucracy, and the planned unavailability of the Church Hall for several months next year, Playgroup has decided to fold. This is very sad from a community perspective.

  13. Speed cushions. Secretary had not written to traffic management because she considered we needed to do something of greater impact – such as a petition signed by every household. A petition could be set up on Facebook if someone could do that.


  1. Police Matters.

  1. No communication from the police

  2. Two top-of-the-range cars stolen at 3am from a house in West Harbour – apparently some sort of organised crime event. We hope for more information from the police as to what the vulnerability was.

  3. There had been suspect ‘roofing guys’ going door to door this week looking for work. Police had been informed.


  1. Junction with A985

With the massive increase in traffic resulting from aircraft carrier commuters going to and from Glasgow, our junction is becoming virtually impossible to negotiate at morning and evening peak. Secretary will contact some appropriate people and tell them to get their heads together to sort out a solution. The Glasgow commuters could, apparently, be part of the scene for another eight years until the completion of the second aircraft carrier.


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Works to install a French drain along the back of the houses is now complete. Thanks to all involved. Let’s hope it works!

  2. Woodland Management. A woodland management plan is being drawn up. This will involve the felling of unsafe trees and planting of replacements. We were reassured that there would not be clear felling on the bank between Broomhall and Limekilns as might be surmised from an article in the Dunfermline Press.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  • DBS - £1710.29 (same as last month)

  • RFRD - £1071.81 (same as last month)

  • BoS - £1070.16 (made up of FDG - £431.39 and CC £638.77)

CC transactions this month:

  • Secretary's expenses from April 2013 to Sep 2013 - £40

  • Wreath £25


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Fife Council budget consultation events. 6.30pm 4th Dec Rosyth, 12th Dec High Valleyfield.

  2. Fife Council Winter Gritting booklet received.

  3. SESPlan Housing Strategy sent to us for consultation. Not very meaningful for the local context.


  1. Councillor Slot.

Integration of Health and Social Care. The bill is to be implemented in full in April. We hope it will work!


  1. AOCB

  1. Gate of vehicle access into Rosyth Churchyard now completely detached. Secretary will contact Liz Murphy.

  2. Road works at the Glen Gates continue to cause disruption to peoples’ lives. No end in sight, despite promises.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 28th January 2014 in the Gellet Hall


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 29.10.13

Present: Sue Hamilton, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Geoff Cartwright, Annie Nally, Kat Tebbutt,

In attendance: Charlie Reid Thomas, Doreen Kempsell, Ken Kempsell, Tom Leatherland, Mike Graham

Apologies: Peter Curry, Allison Macdonald, Tom Scott, Cllr Stewart, Cllr Clelland.

  1. Minutes of the meeting of 24thSeptember 2013

These were approved as a true record. Geoff proposed, Lesley seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 24thSeptember 2013

  1. Information distribution. Secretary had checked her e-mailing lists. All in order. We need to make sure our Facebook presence is active.

  2. Charlestown road surface. Secretary had followed an inspection vehicle at this location! It has now been brought forward as a project and will be done next spring.

  3. Trees on railway line at Merryhill Bridge. Secretary contacted Network Rail. Very helpful customer services, but total denial of responsibility from anyone else! ‘Someone’ has trimmed the main offending hawthorn bush. Thank you.

  4. Public Toilet Review. No news. Toilets have been closed this week ‘for technical reasons’ (key holder on holiday!)

  5. Bins at Limekilns Park. Secretary will alert Pat Callaghan next time he is in the village.

  6. CC recruitment. We need to up the numbers of formal members. Members join by co-option between elections.

  7. War memorial. Planned meeting not held, as no apparent arrangements had been made for Fife Council officers to attend. (An email from Colin Davidson said that he was being moved to Cowdenbeath. Secretary had thanked him for his helpful service over the years.) Lord Elgin happy with any improvement in access that can be achieved. No information about the geology of the mound and why it was called Beggars Knowe. He has offered the services of Estate workers to help keep the area tidy.

  8. Limekilns Pier. Nothing to report.

  9. Speeding on Overhaven. Secretary had a meeting with Iain Henderson and the Fairfields. Secretary left the meeting early, but it is likely that they will do a speed assessment, and there was a suggestion that changing the priorities at South Roundall and Overhaven junctions could interrupt the perception of a straight run from the corner of North Roundall.

  10. Crombie School. Secretary had yet to write to Fife Education officers about the catchment area decision.


  1. Police Matters.

  1. No communication from the police

  2. There had been a number of vehicles interfered with on two or three different nights. It seemed that it was cash that was being stolen. No damage to cars reported, so it is likely that cars had been left unlocked.

  3. Lots of rubbish at the turning circle after cars there at night. Are the police driving round there regularly?


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Flooding at Charles Way. There is a lot of standing water in the ditch, with some westward flow. Fife Council reported that the Estate has collected the pipe from their depot. Kathleen reported last month, that she expected the work to be completed by the end of October.

  2. The Estate will provide a Christmas tree for each village, to be delivered the first weekend in December. Thank you.

  3. The work on the Core Path diversion in front of Broomhall is now almost complete.

  4. Shooting season begins next week. New notices will be erected giving clearer information about when shooting is happening. Secretary again asked that a point is made to ensure the Queen’s Hall gate is unlocked after a shoot – to avoid it being locked over weekends.

  5. Geoff reported that the Pattiesmuir road is developing ruts. He and neighbours have done what they can, but suggest the Estate takes some precautionary action to avoid it deteriorating further.

  6. He also reported that harling has come off the wall of the College beside the door.

  7. This evening, the whole of Pattiesmuir suffered a power cut. It is thought that a tractor in the fields hit an electricity pole


  1. Proposed ‘Queen Elizabeth Field’ designation for Limekilns Park

  1. An organisation called ‘Fields in Trust’ had asked Fife Council to nominate recreation grounds for designation as ‘Queen Elizabeth Fields’ in celebration of the Queen’s Diamond Jubilee, and to protect it from development.

  2. The Community Council couldn’t quite get their heads round why this was necessary, but thought there was probably no harm. A plaque would be erected (and, apparently, we’d get a tree planted). Secretary would request an image of the plaque.


  1. Container Terminal

  1. The Harbour Order was discussed by the Infrastructure and Capital Investment Committee on Sept 25th. The intensity of questions to the Minister from the MSPs was an indication of the doubts they appeared to have about the validity of the project. Nevertheless, they voted it through on party lines. (The SNP have a majority on all the committees.)

  2. It would have gone to the chamber for a straight vote but, with a quickly-acquired knowledge of the parliamentary process, we managed to secure a six minute ‘debate’. This meant it was, for a moment, visible to the wider world. In the event, the SNP and Labour all voted in favour, so the Harbour Order was granted by an overwhelming majority, despite the fact that Clause 17(6), which provided our villages with some protection from adverse effects, had been deleted. We acknowledge the support of the Greens, the Tories, and the Lib Dems on this occasion.

  1. Treasurer's Report

No change from last month


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Fife Council budget consultation events. 6.30pm 4th Nov Rosyth, 12th Nov High Valleyfield.

  2. Information evening about ‘Welfare Reform Surgeries’ to be run by CARF. 6.30pm 7th November in High Valleyfield.

  3. Fife Council is running a campaign to recruit more foster parents.

  4. Fife Housing Strategy update received today.

  5. Inner Forth Landscape Initiative presentation evening. MacRobert, Stirling, 26th November.

  6. Red Row lighting columns. A resident of Red Row had asked why they had been left with rusty old columns. Secretary had contacted Ian Jones. It seemed they had been forgotten.

  7. Christmas Tree carol event. Douglas at the church had asked who to get in touch with about preparing for leading of the singing. Derek at the Bruce.

  8. Scottish Lime Centre. ‘Yard’ project information event tomorrow 30th October to share ideas about making the underused courtyard a visitor attraction / education centre. Tea and cakes.

  9. The Lime Centre runs lots of different courses. Secretary receives updates. Some information goes on the Charlestown noticeboard.


  1. Councillor Slot.


  1. AOCB

  1. Playgroup had been subject to an inspection of their premises today. It was deemed that there was poor ‘infection control’ in the loos. The playgroup is threatened with closure unless things are put right within 21 days! Alex volunteered to go through the list with Norman and the Church property convener to suggest what could be done at what cost.

  2. We need to encourage more use of the Mobile Library. Alex will put a note on Facebook, with the timetable of when and where the library stops in the villages.

  3. The subject of the speed cushions in the villages was raised. It is contended that they increase hazard to pedestrians and drivers alike. They damage the alignment of the steering in modest sized vehicles. They have no effect in slowing down buses, trucks, tractors, white vans, and 4x4 drivers – the very vehicles that are most prone to speeding. They cause a massive hazard outside the school where vehicles are parked alongside cushions. Drivers are distracted by the need to manoeuvre their vehicles over and past the humps – thus diverting their attention from the necessity of watching for pedestrians – and children in particular. Villagers are content with the full-width measures installed at Dunfermline Road and Church Street. The meeting asked the Secretary to write to Fife Council requesting that the cushions be replaced by full-width measures.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 26th November 2013 in the Gellet Hall


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT PATTIESMUIR ON 24.09.13


Present: Sue Hamilton, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Geoff Cartwright, Iain Cruikshanks, Annie Nally, Allison Macdonald


In attendance: Kathleen Kilpatrick, Cllr Callaghan, Doreen Kempsell, Kenny Fairfield


Apologies: Peter Curry, Kat Tebbutt,


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 27th August 2013

These were approved as a true record. Lesley proposed, Geoff seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 27th August 2013

  1. Community Web site. Now that we no longer have a Web site, there is an issue over availability of draft minutes. Approved minutes are on the Fife Direct web site (and on the West Fife Villages web site). Secretary will check her group mailing lists. Sheila Green has requested that she still receive minutes and agendas.

  2. Charlestown road surface. Secretary will arrange to inspect with Pat Callaghan. Cllr Alice Callaghan reported that each of the three areas of Fife now has a ‘Hot box’ for pothole repairs.

  3. Trees on railway line at Merryhill Bridge. Secretary will point out to Pat Callaghan. She will also contact Network Rail (has done. Ref 3711178.)

  4. Public Toilet Review. No news.

  5. Bollard Limekilns Park. Colin Davidson doesn’t seem to have a replacement after all.

  6. Bins at Limekilns Park. Secretary will point out to Pat Callaghan.

  7. Dog Fouling Fortnight. We’re in the middle of it!

  8. CC recruitment. We need to up the numbers of formal members. Members join by co-option between elections.

  9. War memorial. Grass has been cut. Estate has erected a substantial new fence along the boundary with the woods. Kathleen still to ask Lord Elgin what he knows about the geology of the mound and why it was called Beggars Knowe. Next meeting of interested persons will be on October 16th.

  10. Limekilns Pier. Nothing to report.

  11. Speeding on Overhaven. Secretary had not yet written to Scott Blyth but had visited Kenny and Kathryn Fairfield to better understand their concerns. Kenny was invited to tell the meeting why they have raised the issue with Traffic Management and the Community Council. There are now four households on Overhaven who have a fair number of children between them. Their parents encourage them to play together outside, and are teaching them to cycle safely and responsibly. However, living as they do at a T-junction which is the confluence of three straight stretches of road, they are concerned that, seeing straight pieces of roads, drivers inevitably drive faster than they should. The problem is reduced when cars are parked in the road, and residents do deliberately park their cars on the road to reduce drivers’ perception of straight clear roads ahead. They are looking for some means of alerting drivers to the fact that this is a residential street and that they should expect children to be on the roads and footways. There followed a discussion. It was suggested that the 20mph was not enforced nor was it enforceable; a smiley face electronic sign; full width rubber humps. Alice stated that child injury statistics had improved significantly since 20mph zones were implemented in Fife. Secretary will arrange a site visit with Scott Blyth / Iain Henderson. In the meantime, if there were particular repeat offenders, the Fairfields were advised to take down their registration numbers and speak to PC Harvey who could have an advisory chat.


  1. Police Matters.

Secretary had spoken with Mike Harvey today. Nothing to report.


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Flooding at Charles Way. Awaiting delivery of materials. Fife Council will supply the pipe, the Estate will supply and gravel. The intention is to have the watershed along the new drain designed so that about one third of the water flows eastwards. Work should be completed in the next month or so.

  2. Lord Elgin will provide a Christmas tree again this year. Please can we have one for Charlestown too?


  1. Container Terminal

This will be discussed by Infrastructure and Capital Investment Committee tomorrow, Sept 25th.

  1. Treasurer's Report

No change from last month


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Fracking in Fife. Central Fife is an area of search. A meeting has been arranged by a Community Council in Glenrothes to which all CCs are invited.

  2. Scottish Water press release today telling of possible water shortages in Central Fife.


  1. Councillor Callaghan

  1. Crombie School. Down to 14 children. 20 already get brought to Limekilns by parents! Main concern is that Fife council want to put Crombie in Cairneyhill’s catchment area. Secretary will write, supporting the case for it to be in Limekilns.

  2. Social work budget is overspent by £10m


  1. AOCB

  1. Both villages achieved silver awards in the Beautiful Scotland competition, snf in Beautiful fife we achieved the same awards as last year. Congratulations to all who have worked so hard for this success.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 29th October 2013 in the Gellet Hall


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 27.08.13


Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Geoff Cartwright, Kat Tebbutt, Iain Cruikshanks


In attendance: Kathleen Kilpatrick, Cllr Kate Stewart, Mike Graham, Tom Leatherland, Tom Flanaghan, Linda MacPhee


Apologies: Annie Nally, Cllr Callaghan,


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 26th June 2013

These were approved as a true record. Alex proposed, Lesley seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 26th June 2013

  1. Charlestown road surface. Cllr Callaghan had spoken to Bob McLellan. It is still assessed as not being a priority.

  2. Rural Bins. Progress has been made. Inappropriate bulk bins have been removed from Broomhall entrance. Pattiesmuir situation seems to have been resolved.

  3. Inner Forth Landscape Initiative. Following the drop-in event, the heritage consultant had made proposals for a project involving connections between communities on the different sides of the Forth. Secretary had shared these with Anne Marsh, who hadn’t felt them particularly appropriate just now, but there might be scope to tie things in with the new Forth Crossing when it comes. Secretary gave a résumé of the proposals. The meeting did not feel that there would be a great deal of enthusiasm for making connections across the Forth. It is hard enough to get people to take an active interest in our own community and heritage, without looking to connect with communities on the other side of the Forth.

  4. Public Toilet Review. No news.

  5. Pattiesmuir road. The smoother surface is much appreciated.

  6. Land at the back of the Manse. Secretary had spoken to Ruth Padmore of Playgroup. It was agreed that keeping the area safe and free from brambles would be a major task. On the very rare occasions when Playgroup have wanted to be outside, they have put their play equipment on the mown grass in front of Ivy Cottage, by arrangement with Malcolm Duffin.

  7. Sewage pump at Charles Way. Both pumps have been replaced and are working well.

  8. Planning information evening 22nd August. Secretary had been invited to this event at Fife House.

  9. Road at Pan Knowe has been repaired.


  1. Police Matters.

  1. No contact from the Police.

  2. Report of eggs being thrown at cars. Secretary advised complainant to inform the Police.

  3. Incident of a JCB and trailer witnessed by a number of people driving at excessive speed along the promenade. Driver had been identified and the Police informed.

  4. Cyclists regularly exceed the 20mph speed limit in the village. They are apparently not breaking the law since they have no requirement to monitor their own speed!


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Flooding at Charles Way. Estate had opened a large trench at the back of 1 and 2 Charles Court, and Fife Council had arranged for cameras to be put in the exposed plastic pipes. They seemed to go nowhere. It is unclear who will do what next. Kathleen reported that the land had been ‘subsoiled’ which should improve drainage.

  2. Flooding at South Row. Estate had carried out works to try to address the flooding which is regularly experienced by residents of these properties.

  3. State of the dilapidated ‘Piggery’ buildings at Pattiesmuir is giving residents cause for concern, since children have been ‘playing’ there of late, and there is concern for their safety


  1. War Memorial

  1. Tom Leatherland of the Floral Displays Group had initiated a meeting of interested parties, including the Church, the British Legion, the Community Council, the Estate (who could not attend) the Scouts etc.

  2. There were questions about what could be done to improve access for infirm people and solve the problem of water flowing from a drain down the steps on the west side.

  3. There was general concern about the unkempt state of the surroundings this summer. The grass had not been cut at all and the memorial is virtually invisible from the road.

  4. The representatives from the British Legion were of the view that the memorial should be moved from its present location to the patch of grass to the west. This was not a view generally shared by individual residents and representatives of organisations at the meeting.

  5. The Limekilns memorial was one of the earliest to be erected and is a listed historic structure.

  6. The hill on which the memorial stands was apparently known as Beggars Knowe. No-one knows how much of it is natural rock and how much might be rubble. Kathleen will ask Lord Elgin if he has any information about the structure of the hill.

  7. A further meeting will be held on 16th October to which Fife Council officers will be invited.


  1. Limekilns Pier

  1. There have been various posts on ‘Limekilns Born and Bred 2’ Facebook page about the state of Limekilns Pier.

  2. Iain’s group of interested and willing volunteers will be reconvening shortly and will provide an update of their progress in a couple of months.


  1. Keep Scotland Beautiful. Dog Fouling Fortnight

  1. KSB are organising this in the second half of September. It involves doing a survey of dog fouling, with an apparent general intention of raising awareness of both dog fouling and litter.

  2. They hope to get lots of people to sign up as supporters of a litter-free Scotland. They can back to campaign on-line at www.cleanupscotland.com


  1. Container Terminal

  1. Joint Action Group had compiled a submission to the relevant Parliamentary Committees.

  2. There has been substantial coverage of the shortcomings of the proposal in the business pages of Scotland on Sunday.


  1. Community Web Site. Decision time.

  1. Suze reports that the community website hosting subscription is up for renewal on 13 September for just under £70 and is not sure we should maintain this current site.

  2. The web design tools are poor and this has resulted in the Twitter feeds not working on some browsers. Also, because we use the in-built design tool, we are restricted to 10 pages on the website which isn't really enough.

  3. The website can be terribly slow to load even on a PC, never mind a phone. Furthermore, it's only been accessed 4 times in the past month. Suze suggests that we cancel the website renewal and take some time to rethink what the village wants from this.

  4. The matter was discussed, and it was agreed that we should cancel the subscription.

  5. It was suggested that a more active Facebook page would be a more appropriate way to promote and co-ordinate village activity.

  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. Fife Council grant of £628.80 received. APRS subscription of £25 paid.

  2. Fife Council grant for FDG (£430) also received. Bank of Scotland balance is £1135.16, of which £431.39 is FDG money.

  3. Dunfermline Building Society £1710.29 

  4. Residents for Responsible Development £1071.92


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Bollard missing from Limekilns Park entrance. Secretary has spoken to Colin Davidson.

  2. Nessie Stewart reported that litter is regularly redistributed around the play park (by seagulls?). Secretary has asked Colin Davidson to look at the possibility of covered bins.

  3. Scottish Fire and Rescue sent out a consultation.

  4. Fife Licensing Review. Fife sent out, for consultation, a 34-page document, being the proposed new licensing policy. They gave no indication of what had changed, and expected us to comment. Secretary pointed out that this was difficult in the absence of information about what had changed! She was then provided with the information. The alterations are generally technical and mainly concern licensees.

  5. Notice of a planned Forth Bridges Festival in September 2014. Launch event on 4th September 1.30 – 4pm at Orroco Pier


  1. Cllr Stewart

  1. Cllr Stewart had been delighted to attend tennis coaching in Limekilns this summer.

  2. She expressed her surprise at the way Fife Council seems to ‘close down’ for the summer holidays!


  1. AOCB

  1. The trees growing on the embankment at Merryhill Bridge are now obscuring visibility to a dangerous degree. The land belongs to Network Rail. Kathleen will enquire if the Estate can do anything.

  2. Speeding on Overhaven. Kathryn Fairfield of Overhaven had written to Scott Blyth asking for traffic calming on the straight stretch. Scott Blyth had suggested to her that the absence of traffic calming was due to the Community Council who had opposed the proposed scheme. Secretary will write to Scott Blyth, reminding him that the concern of the Community Council had been that the scheme failed to address the most dangerous location for pedestrians which was Church Street, and imposed unnecessary numbers of ‘cushions’ elsewhere. The measures (full width cushions) that we were requesting at Church Street were eventually installed at a much later date. The CC had had no part in the removal of the full width hump which had originally been proposed for Overhaven.

  3. What is happening at the ‘Lexmark’ site? Secretary will enquire.

  4. The Community Council is still seeking more members.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 25th September 2013 at the College, Pattiesmuir.


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 25.06.13


Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Annie Nally, Geoff Cartwright


In attendance: Cllr Callaghan, Mike Graham, Doreen Kempsell, Tom Leatherland, Bill McKissock


Apologies: Kat Tebbutt, Allison MacDonald.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 29th May 2013

Following the deletion of the second sentence in 11(c), these were approved as a true record. Annie proposed, Alex seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 29th May 2013

  1. Charlestown road surface. Still in an appalling state. Cllr Callaghan will speak to Bob McLellan tomorrow.

  2. Community web site. Secretary will contact the various organisations after the summer.

  3. Rural Bins. Still no response to concerns expressed by the Estate and the Community Council. Totally inappropriate bulk bins have been placed a Broomhall entrance. Estate has objected to these. Bins have been delivered to each house on the Pattiesmuir unmade road, so it seems they will be collected from the houses. Cllr Callaghan says that there has been a 50% success rate among those who have lodged an appeal. She also says that, if a request is made, bin men will collect bins from the house if residents are unable to put them out. Nine bins were set alight in Crombie today.

  4. Path round Ballast Bank has been mowed.

  5. The end of the hedge at South Row has been cur right down.

  6. Secretary had elicited a brilliant rapid response to a phone call and has got the dog bin moved to the entrance to Ballast Bank.

  7. Secretary had visited the Inner Forth Landscape Initiative Drop In event, and had sent them some information. Annie knows someone who has a great interest in our local history.

  8. Public Toilet Review. The contents of the letter the secretary had drafted were approved.

.

  1. Police Matters.

  1. Annie reported a very worrying incident when her grandson was walking home along the Limekilns Road. Youths, driving very close, leaned out of the window and whacked him on the back of his head. Difficult to take down a registration number in these circumstances. She was concerned that the police had dismissed it as a ‘prank’.


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Pattiesmuir unmade road. Local appreciation of work done. Proper stone has been laid. Great improvement. Could do with a bit of tamping down.

  2. Flooding at Charles Way. Factor said that the Estate would be happy to talk to Fife Council about going 50/50 on the drainage work.

  3. Area behind the Manse. Space has changed in character since the new house was completed. Secretary will check with Playgroup if they are still interested in an outdoor play space.


  1. Sewage Pump at Charles Way

  1. Sewage pump is not functioning as it should, causing sewage to overflow onto the beach. Tom Leatherland has contacted SEPA.

  2. Wipes’ of any sort seem to cause problems. Secretary will deliver ‘Bag it and Bin it’ leaflets and a covering letter to Muir Homes houses.

  3. The installation at Capernaum pier is very smelly. Secretary will report this.


  1. Container Terminal

  1. On 18th June, it was announced that the Minister was minded to approve the HRO, and that it would be ‘laid before parliament on 20th June’.

  2. The letter to objectors stated that clause 17(6) had been deleted. This is of great concern because, in the view of the Joint Action Group, it strengthened the conditions that had been imposed.

  3. Joint Action Group will raise the issue with the relevant Parliamentary Committees


  1. Treasurer's Report

Secretary and Treasurer are dealing with the necessary paperwork for getting our Fife Council grant.


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Secretary has been invited to a Fife Council planning event on 22nd August.

  2. Access forum representation. Secretary apologised for having failed to mention a communication from Fife Council at the beginning of May, asking for nominations for Community Council representation on the Fife Access Forum. Beryl Leatherland has done sterling work on the Access Forum, for many years.

  3. There is an additional Access seminar meeting on 11th July.


  1. Cllr Callaghan

Nothing that has not already been discussed.


  1. AOCB

  1. Road at Pan Knowe has collapsed again. Estate is aware.

  2. Unknown individuals to be commended for the speed and efficiency with which a derelict caravan was dismantled and completely removed, having been temporarily parked at the Soapworks.

  3. Congratulations to the Floral display Group for the huge amount of work done over the past few days. Village is looking good. It is pleasing to see that private gardens are also seem to be getting tidied up, making a pleasing contribution to the whole.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 27th August 2013 at the Gellet Hall.

 


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 25.06.13


Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Annie Nally, Geoff Cartwright


In attendance: Cllr Callaghan, Mike Graham, Doreen Kempsell, Tom Leatherland, Bill McKissock


Apologies: Kat Tebbutt, Allison MacDonald.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 29th May 2013

Following the deletion of the second sentence in 11(c), these were approved as a true record. Annie proposed, Alex seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 29th May 2013

  1. Charlestown road surface. Still in an appalling state. Cllr Callaghan will speak to Bob McLellan tomorrow.

  2. Community web site. Secretary will contact the various organisations after the summer.

  3. Rural Bins. Still no response to concerns expressed by the Estate and the Community Council. Totally inappropriate bulk bins have been placed a Broomhall entrance. Estate has objected to these. Bins have been delivered to each house on the Pattiesmuir unmade road, so it seems they will be collected from the houses. Cllr Callaghan says that there has been a 50% success rate among those who have lodged an appeal. She also says that, if a request is made, bin men will collect bins from the house if residents are unable to put them out. Nine bins were set alight in Crombie today.

  4. Path round Ballast Bank has been mowed.

  5. The end of the hedge at South Row has been cur right down.

  6. Secretary had elicited a brilliant rapid response to a phone call and has got the dog bin moved to the entrance to Ballast Bank.

  7. Secretary had visited the Inner Forth Landscape Initiative Drop In event, and had sent them some information. Annie knows someone who has a great interest in our local history.

  8. Public Toilet Review. The contents of the letter the secretary had drafted were approved.

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  1. Police Matters.

  1. Annie reported a very worrying incident when her grandson was walking home along the Limekilns Road. Youths, driving very close, leaned out of the window and whacked him on the back of his head. Difficult to take down a registration number in these circumstances. She was concerned that the police had dismissed it as a ‘prank’.


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Pattiesmuir unmade road. Local appreciation of work done. Proper stone has been laid. Great improvement. Could do with a bit of tamping down.

  2. Flooding at Charles Way. Factor said that the Estate would be happy to talk to Fife Council about going 50/50 on the drainage work.

  3. Area behind the Manse. Space has changed in character since the new house was completed. Secretary will check with Playgroup if they are still interested in an outdoor play space.


  1. Sewage Pump at Charles Way

  1. Sewage pump is not functioning as it should, causing sewage to overflow onto the beach. Tom Leatherland has contacted SEPA.

  2. Wipes’ of any sort seem to cause problems. Secretary will deliver ‘Bag it and Bin it’ leaflets and a covering letter to Muir Homes houses.

  3. The installation at Capernaum pier is very smelly. Secretary will report this.


  1. Container Terminal

  1. On 18th June, it was announced that the Minister was minded to approve the HRO, and that it would be ‘laid before parliament on 20th June’.

  2. The letter to objectors stated that clause 17(6) had been deleted. This is of great concern because, in the view of the Joint Action Group, it strengthened the conditions that had been imposed.

  3. Joint Action Group will raise the issue with the relevant Parliamentary Committees


  1. Treasurer's Report

Secretary and Treasurer are dealing with the necessary paperwork for getting our Fife Council grant.


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Secretary has been invited to a Fife Council planning event on 22nd August.

  2. Access forum representation. Secretary apologised for having failed to mention a communication from Fife Council at the beginning of May, asking for nominations for Community Council representation on the Fife Access Forum. Beryl Leatherland has done sterling work on the Access Forum, for many years.

  3. There is an additional Access seminar meeting on 11th July.


  1. Cllr Callaghan

Nothing that has not already been discussed.


  1. AOCB

  1. Road at Pan Knowe has collapsed again. Estate is aware.

  2. Unknown individuals to be commended for the speed and efficiency with which a derelict caravan was dismantled and completely removed, having been temporarily parked at the Soapworks.

  3. Congratulations to the Floral display Group for the huge amount of work done over the past few days. Village is looking good. It is pleasing to see that private gardens are also seem to be getting tidied up, making a pleasing contribution to the whole.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 27th August 2013 at the Gellet Hall.

 


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 28.05.13


Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Kat Tebbutt, Annie Nally,


In attendance: Cllr Stewart, Cllr Callaghan, Doreen Kempsell, Ken Reynolds, Karen Grant, Linda MacPhee


Apologies: Tom Scott, Sheila Green, Graham Urquhart, Allison MacDonald. PC Mike Harvey


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 30th April 2013

These were approved as a true record. Lesley proposed, Alex seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 30th April 2013

  1. Village noticeboards. Erected. Everyone happy.

  2. Charlestown road surface. No apparent attention has been given to this.

  3. Community web site. Secretary still to contact PTA, Gala, Floral Display Group, Garden Club, the church and the uniformed organisations.

  4. Secretary had contacted Parks people about litter left after a football match. There had been no official booking that day!

  5. Secretary had spoken with Ron Farn about relocating a bin to Ballast Bank entrance.

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  1. Police Matters.

  1. PC Harvey had nothing significant to report from the villages.


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Pattiesmuir unmade road. Work will start on Monday.

  2. Hedge at South Row. A resident of South row reports that, when in full leaf, the hedge bt the telephone box restricts the view of drivers entering and exiting South Row. Kathleen does not believe it belongs to the Estate.

  3. Mowing at Ballast Bank. Kathleen was asked if a mown path could be maintained round the Ballast Bank. She would enquire.

  4. Secretary had observed that weed killer had been applied round the grass at the wooden houses. This was timely and appreciated.

  5. Flooding at Charles Way. Ken Reynolds expressed his dismay that so much time (and money) had been spent, achieving nothing. Fife Council had not yet served a Court order. Another meeting is planned for tomorrow to be attended by Ian Jones, Cllr Callaghan and someone from Scottish Water. Kathleen regretted that she was not available, but agreed to take a walk with Ken on another occasion so that he could appraise her of his observations.


  1. Brucehaven Crescent – access to The Wellheads.

In light of a planning application for an adjacent property, Secretary had confirmed the path’s status as a Right of Way


  1. Inner Forth Landscape Initiative

  1. IFLI people had been in touch, asking for contacts who could contribute to an overview of the history of coalmining in the coastal strip of West Fife. The deadline for response was short. Secretary had indicated that coal had been less significant than lime for these villages.

  2. She had been told a little more about the proposal for tidying up the Kilns. Historic Scotland has been involved in drawing up the proposal. It will probably involve removal of vegetation, replacement fencing, and a plan for ongoing maintenance. They are not, currently looking at Limekilns Pier.

  3. IFLI people are holding a drop in event at the Queen’s Hall on 17th June from 3.30 – 6.30pm


  1. Fife Access Seminar. This will be held at St Bryce Centre in Kirkcaldy on Weds 5th June from 9am to 1pm. Secretary will attend.


  1. Fife Council Public Toilet Review

  1. Papers relating to this were supposed to reach Community Councils by email at the beginning of April. They did not reach this CC. Secretary had now received a bundle of papers which were a little difficult to make sense of. The gist seems to be that communities are being consulted as to whether, in light of budget cuts, their toilets should be retained.

  2. The toilets at Charlestown provide an excellent facility for locals and tourists alike. Tourism is very significant to the economy of the villages. Before we can form a view, we need information about costs of keeping them open compared with the financial and social cost of maintaining or demolishing the building if they close. It would appear that the ‘comfort break’ scheme is not sufficiently robustly supported by Fife Council to be an adequate substitute.

  3. Date for responses is Monday 1st July. Secretary will draft a response.


  1. Container Terminal

There is no indication yet of when the outcome of the consultation on the modifications will be known. Forth Ports had produced a very clear and robust refutation of the whole process.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. CC Bank of Scotland £101.36, of which £1.39 is FDG money.

  2. Dunfermline Building Society £1710.29 

  3. Residents for Responsible Development £1071.81


10. Secretary's Report.

Forth Rail Bridge – application for World Heritage Site status.


  1. Cllr Callaghan

  1. Threatened closure of Crombie School. The loss of the school would be devastating for the village community. Fife Council have failed to assess it against ‘rural school criteria’. As Limekilns Nursery building is unlikely to provide accommodation in the long-term, there is perhaps scope for using the Crombie building for Nursery. The idea of transferring pupils to Cairneyhill makes little sense in terms of connections, geography and catchment.

  2. Suggests that it would be good to tidy up the War memorial in light of centenary commemoration next year. Cllr Callaghan was assured that the Floral Display Group and others were ‘on the case’. There’s funding from the Scottish Government for schools to do projects on First World War.

  3. Cllr Callaghan had visited Babcock to find out about submarine Dismantling and the container Terminal. She would find out who she had met and Secretary would email her further information.

  1. Cllr Stewart

  1. Apologised for her absence from previous meetings.

  2. Had also been involved with the Crombie School threatened closure.

  3. Deeply concerned about the emerging effects of the Welfare Reform Bill. She was aware of a number of vulnerable individuals who had been severely affected both by the ‘Bedroom Tax’ and the alterations to Disability Living Allowance. The DWP have had to take on extra staff to deal with the changes, thus creating additional costs in the system.

  4. Very impressed with the two local members to the Scottish Youth Parliament who she had met.

  5. Concerned at high incidence of strokes in West Fife.

  6. Looking to do a survey of where dropped kerbs are required. Our villages are fairly well-supplied after our protracted campaign.


  1. AOCB

a) High Hedges Bill had become law


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 25th June 2013 at the Gellet Hall.


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 30.4.13


Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry (from 7.40pm), Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Kat Tebbutt, Geoff Cartwright, Tom Scott,


In attendance: Charlie Reid Thomas, PC Harvey, Bill McKissock, Stuart Webster, Tom Leatherland, Doreen Kempsell, Evelyn Gibson


Apologies: Annie Nally, Sheila Green, Cllr Stewart, Cllr Callaghan, Cllr Clelland,


Alex Hill took the chair in the absence of Peter Curry.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 26th March 2013

These were approved as a true record. Lesley proposed, Peter seconded

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 26th March 2013

  1. Commonwealth Games legacy funding. Kat still to follow this up.

  2. Secretary had written a note of thanks to Paul Hendy.

  3. Parking in Main Street. Bollards have been installed outside old Post Office !!!

  4. Scotways signs. Signs at the foot of the run have been reinstated along with ‘heritage panels’.

  5. Consultation on Fife’s Planning performance. Secretary had written a full response – and to her amazement got an appreciative response from Jim Birrell.

  6. Village noticeboards. Continued frustration in identifying a new location, which will then require planning approval.

  7. Charlestown road surface. No apparent attention has been given to this.

  8. Community web site. Secretary still to contact PTA, Gala, Floral Display Group, Garden Club, the church and the uniformed organisations.

  9. Gifford House. It seems that Transportation would be happy with the garage development, so long as the original vehicular access is closed off.

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  1. Police Matters.

  1. PC Harvey had nothing significant to report from the villages.

  2. The community team should be back up to strength soon, and shift patterns should allow officers to work in pairs.

  3. Off road underage, un-helmeted bikers reported again

  4. No, an air gun may not be used, except with the landowner’s permission.

  5. Parking on the pavement. It has to be a matter of judgment and common sense.

  6. Keep your eyes open. Record car registration numbers.


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Pattiesmuir unmade road. On Monday there will be a meeting with Charlie Reid Thomas, Kathleen Kirkpatrick and Pattiesmuir residents to discuss the road repair which is planned to take place over the next two weeks. Currently, the Intention is to use tar planing to fill pot holes. Still eventually looking to building of two more houses, with accompanying adopted road access.

  2. Planning Review Panel overturned the refusal of Planning Permission in Principle for Old Foundry Cottage site.

  3. Inner Forth Landscape Initiative people had been in touch with the Estate. They have a deadline for 3rd May! They had looked at Limekilns Pier and the Kilns. It looks as if they will have a project to tidy up the Kilns, and train volunteers to maintain them thereafter.

  4. Estate will be seeking Listed Building consent for the refurbishment of the Sutlery building and to bring the flats back into use.

  5. Flooding at Charles Way. No Order has yet been served. CRT says that the Estate is happy to work jointly with Fife Council.

  6. Pheasants are causing damage to gardens and grief to gardeners.



  1. Rural bin collection

  1. Fife Council has written individually to all householders who do not currently have a multiple bin collection service. The letter suggests that bins will only be emptied at lane-ends on the roadside. One of the major factors quoted is ‘the whole body vibration’ suffered by the bin men. No account seems to have been taken of the added hazard to both bin men and residents and other drivers of bins being dealt with on the roadside.

  2. Many tenants of Broomhall Estate are affected.

  3. The Secretary has written to Fife Council expressing concern about the cases she had heard about. The deadline for residents to appeal the arrangements was Sunday last.


  1. Container Terminal

Deadline for responses to the modifications to the Harbour Revision Order is this Thursday. Members of the Joint Action Group have been very busy getting their responses in.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. CC Bank of Scotland £201.36, of which £1.39 is FDG money. £100 still to be paid for noticeboard installation.

  2. Dunfermline Building Society £1710.29 

  3. Residents for Responsible Development £1071.81


10. Secretary's Report.

Insurance Liability Certificate received.


  1. Councillor Slot.

No councillors


12. AOCB

a) Beach clean was excellent. About 80 folks involved.

b) A group of volunteers also cleared Limekilns Park of the accumulation of litter there. It was disappointing that, on the very next day, the Sunday footballers had messed it up again with their own litter.

c) A group who cleaned up the Ballast Bank reported the need for a waste bin at the ‘gate’ where people park. If folk do not find a bin there, they seem to just throw their pooh bags in the vegetation.

d) Community Council membership is still short of the full complement. Folk are encouraged to come along and see and hear what we do.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 28th May 2013 at the Gellet Hall. AGM at 7.30pm. Ordinary meeting, at approximately 7.50 pm.

 

 

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