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CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 23rd FEBRUARY 2016


Present: Alex Hill, Kat Tebbutt, Sue Hamilton, Callum MacInnes, Lesley Scott, Rob Thompson, Lorna Wilkie, Geoff Cartwright,


In attendance: Yasmine Bazazi, Celia Bazazi, Tom Leatherland, Fiona Thompson, Ken Reynolds, Ken Kirkpatrick, Andy Sturton, Jim Harrison, Dennis Cowan, Alastair Thores


Apologies: Peter Curry, Tommy Cuthbert, Mandy Littlewood, Cllr Stewart, Doreen Kempsell, Terry Salt, Shireen Fernie, Karen Hart


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 26th January 2016.

The meeting accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Geoff Cartwright, Seconded: Lorna Wilkie


  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 26th January 2016.

  1. Junction with A985. Signs reported not to be working this evening. Still no help to drivers trying to get out of the village.

  2. HGV restriction signs. Nothing has been done. Secretary will remind Amey.

  3. High Speed Broadband. It’s here!

  4. College roof work to start next week.

  5. IFLI Kilns project. Rory from Historic Scotland has yet to supply a timetable of works.

  6. Potholes in South Row and North Row. Estate is in discussion with Fife Council..

  7. West Fife Villages Community Council Forum. Organising meetings on Unconventional Gas and Longannet Closure on 24th and 25th February respectively.

  8. New seat at War Memorial. Glasdon Phoenix seat now installed by Fife Council (so no VAT to pay) for a total cost, including slabs, of £400. Church collection attracted Gift Aid and is now £344. Community Council will pay the balance of £56. Church will affix a plaque.

  9. Sewage in Lyne Burn. Helen Sweeney of SEPA had provided comprehensive feedback, following Lorna’s report of sewage debris in the burn. See Appendix 1.

  10. Limekilns Pier. There had been a good turnout at the meeting on 3rd February. The Steering Group is now working to harness the voluntary manpower that has been forthcoming.

  11. Bus Service. Secretary has not yet contacted Gillian Hill.

  12. Street name at Pan Knowe. Secretary has requested a new street name sign.

  13. Ivy on toilet building. This was swiftly removed by Fife Council.

  14. Community Transport and Credit Union for West Fife Villages. Secretary had circulated the information provided by Councillor Stewart


  1. Police Report. None received by Secretary. Dates of community Engagement Meetings in Limekilns are: 21st March, 18th July, 21st November. Nothing to report to police, apart from a ‘keying’ of a car in South Loanhead.


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Pattiesmuir proposals. Adjustments to layout and elevations will be circulated in advance of the planning application. There are no plans for the Piggery – other than to make it more secure.

  2. In the next two weeks, remedial work will be done the unmade road in Pattiesmuir, weather permitting,

  3. Potholes at East Harbour. Works have been instructed.

  4. Shooting season has ended.

  5. Lorna reported that on Monday 25th January at about 4pm, there had been men with guns getting out of a vehicle parked at The Cairns and crossing the road into the woodland. Factor said they were unlikely to be associated with Estate shoots. He will investigate.


  1. Other Planning.

  1. Bistro proposed extension / expansion. Yasmine explained that the business model needed to be adjusted in anticipation of her parents’ retirement. To this end, they are proposing to build a 3-storey extension at the back to accommodate 11 more bedrooms – to make a total of 17. The plan is to accommodate working people Monday – Friday and tourists at weekends. The restaurant would be reduced in size. Yasmine had already held a meeting with immediate neighbours in Main Street. She did not have a definite date for submission of the plans, but when they go on line, Secretary will circulate them. There had been substantial felling of trees on Broomhall land to the rear of the Bistro because roots were causing damp in the walls which abut the banking. Secretary reported that three residents of Main Street had already contacted her to voice concern about the scale of the proposed development and its possible impact – particularly with reference to parking.

  2. 11 Main Street. Proposed alterations including removing a downpipe and replacing a window. No problem.

  3. 42 Main Street. New plans for extension at the eastern end of the property to be submitted imminently. Design now incorporates an ‘interesting’ structure of oak frame and lots of glass. Members were not sure how appropriate this would be in the Conservation Area.


  1. Drainage at Charles Way

  1. Broomhall Estate had, last week, taken action to modify the drainage from the field. A new drain was dug, with the intention of draining the water through the wood. However, a barrier of rock was encountered so that any soakaway is now totally inadequate, and water is bubbling out of it like a spring and spilling onto the road more than ever. Residents expressed their deep concern about this deteriorating situation. Water is emerging in all sorts of unusual places, and it is likely that the roadbed is now acting as the soakaway

  2. Also last week, the camera survey (commissioned by Fife Council) of all the surface water drains on the Muir Homes Estate had been carried out. A verbal report following this very thorough inspection identifies some minor things which require attention. These would not be an issue without the huge volume of run-off of the field. The written report will be made available to us when it is published.

  3. Secretary has been in touch with Scottish Water, Fife Council Transportation, and Broomhall Estate on the subject of holding a round table discussion, to find a creative solution (not to apportion blame!).

  4. A site meeting is planned for Thursday next week between Ian Jones of Fife Council, Kathleen Brewster of Broomhall Estate and John Hutcheson, the farming contractor.

  5. Ian Jones has asked that the Secretary be the conduit for correspondence.

  6. Ken Kirkpatrick will draft a letter of concern from the residents for the Secretary to forward to the relevant authorities.

  1. Treasurer’s Report. .

  1. Balances: BOS £964.08, NW: £1717.52, RBS (Residents for Responsible Development): £1072.76

  2. Fife Council Grant was £632.28

  3. We have spent £142 on general expenditure, and contributed £567.55 to the cost of War Memorial restoration.


  1. Secretary’s report

  1. Pothole as you enter Limekilns. This has now been dealt with by Fife Council.

  2. Gas main at South Loanhead. Works to replace a piece of gas main caused traffic disruption for several days. Secretary now has local contact for SGN.

  3. Parking at The Cairns. The heavy rain has caused disruption to the new surface. Main problems are arising from people who still insist on parking on the grass! Secretary will contact Jocky Wilson to see if he has any suggestions.

  4. Gritting at Douglas Bank. Resident at Douglas Bank Cemetery lodge has asked that the road to the cemetery be included in the gritting of Pattiesmuir. Secretary has passed the request to Fife Council.

  5. Ivy on Telephone Exchange. Secretary had alerted BT Facilities Management to the considerable growth of ivy on the western wall of the Telephone Exchange.

  6. Beryl Leatherland has been reappointed to the Fife Access Forum.

  7. Secretary had circulated information about Healthgift grants.


  1. AOCB

  1. There have been some very loud noises coming, apparently, from the dockyard. Suze Anderson has the contact details for the people to contact if it happens again.



Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 29th March 2016. 7.30pm. Gellet Hall.


Appendix 1 Text of letter from SEPA


‘Scottish Water employed a contractor to carry out a much needed clean up at Lyne Burn, I was out on Monday and agree that it is much improved but there are still some bits of sewage debris lying around which should have been cleaned up. However the problem is that there is so much SRD (sewage related debris) swirling about the Forth that it is hard to say whether this has been washed up since the litter pick or not. If you ever see sewage debris in the burn that could warrant a clean up, by all means inform SEPA, but you can also lodge a direct complaint with Scottish Water on their customer service line – 0800 0778 778, they will send out a site operative to check the area and clean it up if required.

The known SRD hotspots around the Forth are; Torryburn, Crombie Point, Charlestown (Lyne Burn), Limekilns, Dalgety Bay, Pathhead Sands, Cramond, Blackness & Bo’ness, however the good news is that these are being investigated under a new initiative called the ‘Forth Strategic Study’ which is being led by Scottish Water, this should help us gain an understanding of the cause of the SRD and the effect on the Forth Estuary. The development of a hydrodynamic model will also inform us about SRD movements in the Estuary.

In terms of the recent increase in tanker traffic through the villages, Scottish Water have had a few problems at the sewage works recently. The first occurred on 18th Jan when diffusers in both of the aeration tanks had to be repaired, each tank had to be emptied in order to access the damaged parts and the effluent will have been tankered off site to another STW (probably Dunfermline) for treatment. The repair was completed and both aeration tanks were re-instated by 10th Feb. 

We were then informed that the returned activated sludge (RAS) pumps were choked, hence sludge will have been tankered off site to be treated/re-used at another STW, the choke was cleared on 17th Feb. The Ironmill Bay STW should still have capacity and you shouldn’t see tankers as frequently now the repair work has been done.’


 


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 26TH JANUARY 2016


Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Tommy Cuthbert, Callum MacInnes, Lesley Scott, Rob Thompson, Lorna Wilkie, Geoff Cartwright, Mandy Littlewood,


In attendance: Kathleen Brewster, Cllr Stewart Phil Whetton, Mike Brockie, Doreen Kempsell, Karen Grant, Ken Reynolds, Moray Gilmour


Apologies: Alex Hill, Kat Tebbutt, Cllr Callaghan


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 24th November 2015.

The meeting accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Peter Curry, Seconded: Lesley Scott


  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 24th November 2015.

  1. Junction with A985. Signs were so unreliable at the beginning of December that they switched them off altogether (just when we started getting all the traffic diverted from the closed bridge!) SWARCO technicians have, only two days ago, attended to the system, and it appears to be working as per its design now. The signs are illuminated for long periods because there is so much turning traffic. Will the battery be recharged fast enough?

  2. HGV restriction signs. Nothing has been done. Secretary will remind Amey.

  3. High Speed Broadband. Planning permission for cabinet not required because it is outwith the Conservation Area. As promised, Openreach started work on installation on 19th January. This will take about two weeks. Time before providers will accept applications in indeterminate. It could be weeks or months.

  4. College roof work yet to start. Materials are in hand, but need better weather.

  5. IFLI Kilns project. Rory from Historic Scotland has promised to supply a timetable of works by the end of February.

  6. Potholes in South Row and North Row. Estate is in discussion with Fife Council..

  7. Woodland at West Road, Charlestown. Felling of mainly sycamore has been undertaken. Replanting with native hardwoods will follow. Kathleen will pass on our request that new trees be planted in areas currently used by uncouth campers, and that a potential pathway be left for local walkers who can be eyes and ears for the Estate

  8. West Fife Villages Community Council Forum. Has been given £1000 in running costs. Next meeting on 25th February. Maybe a presentation by Planning Democracy about rights of appeal.

  9. Wreath removal. Lesley will take away old wreaths in advance of Remembrance Sunday each year.

  10. Telephone Kiosks. BT will not hold our application for adoption as they propose to dispose of redundant boxes (and apply for delisting listed ones). The meeting agreed that we would not progress our application.

  11. War memorial. Grant had been released. Cheque for £3160 had been paid to Powderhall. The church has agreed that the £275 collected in honour of Norman and Karen’s 25th anniversary shall be put towards a new bench seat at the war memorial. If it’s purchased through the council we don’t have to pay VAT. Rob says the site of the existing seat is subject to flooding.


  1. Police Report. None received by Secretary. Cllr Stewart provided a copy. Dates of community Engagement Meetings in Limekilns are: 21st March, 18th July, 21st November. Nothing to report to police. Doreen still concerned about goings on in the car park at the turning circle.

  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Pattiesmuir proposals. There had been a special additional Community Council meeting in Pattiesmuir on 2nd December dedicated to this subject. If any development were to happen, residents agreed that there should be an improvement in amenity for all who live there. They are seeking signs of willingness by the Estate to acknowledge this. The issues on which the Estate could take early action are improving the unmade road, working with villagers to find a means of provision of parking for the flats, and improving visibility now at Kilberry Cottage by moving the fence.

  2. The drain at the war memorial steps has been jetted and is now flowing freely.

  3. The ‘Christmas Tree Group’ are contemplating the planting of a permanent tree on the Green. Who needs to be asked? Kathleen will ask the Estate. Council might have a view about mowing. Need to take care it doesn’t preclude the use of the whole Green for erection of a marquee etc.


  1. Drainage at Charles Way

  1. Torrential rain has, once again caused problems at Charles Way and Havens Edge where the low lying properties are vulnerable. French drain and ‘soakaway’ which were renewed in November 2013 have insufficient capacity for the recent levels of rainfall. Water overflows onto the road which is not properly served by gullies and surface water drains.

  2. Three parties, Scottish Water, Fife Council Transportation, and Broomhall Estate need to have a round table discussion. Kathleen said only Broomhall had taken any action on the previous occasion.


  1. Sewage in the Lyne Burn.

  1. Lorna has observed a large amount of sanitary waste on the shore where the Lyne Burn reaches the sea and has been in contact with the various agencies.

  2. She had sent photos to SEPA and spoken to Helen Sweeney - Environmental Protection Officer at SEPA who has now told Ian Burnett, Scottish Water Regional Manager that Scottish Water have until February 12th to do a litter pick all down the burn and on the beach, and to identify the two places where the spill is coming from. SW meticulously monitor and test the official outflow, but do not seem to know when storm water spills happen.

  3. The Dunfermline Press has been very good and put an article on-line last week. It will be in the paper copy this week.

  1. Limekilns Pier

Phil Whetton reported that the steering group has leafleted both villages giving the date of the first meeting of interested persons in the Church Hall on Wednesday 3rd February. .


  1. Treasurer’s Report. .

  1. RBS has at last managed to get two signatories on the RRD account and to change the correspondence address from Suze Anderson to Kat Tebbutt.

  2. Peter reported that a club with he is involved is still having endless trouble with HBOS. Mike Brockie reported that Forth Cruising Club is very happy since their account was moved to the Clydesdale Bank.


  1. Secretary’s report

  1. Letter from David Mundell, Scottish Secretary, telling us about the devolution of power in the Scotland Bill.

  2. CC Insurance Renewal. Secretary has a form to fill in to renew our Zurich Insurance which is paid by Fife Council

  3. Closure of Butcher’s shop. Retiral of John and Bobby. It appears that loyal customers are making their own individual arrangements to mark the occasion. The Community Council will send a card, acknowledging the many years that the butchery service has been carried out in the village, thanking them for their part in it and wishing them well in their retirement.

  4. Ivy growing on the toilet building. An occasional visitor to Charlestown had emailed the Secretary to report that ivy was growing up to the eves and in through the doorway of the Ladies toilet. Secretary has reported it.

  5. Queen’s Hall Committee AGM, 4th February 7pm.

  6. Bus service during holiday period. Boxing Day and 2nd January both fell on a Saturday in 2015. This caused some confusion as to what service was available or, indeed, any service. There were none. Clear communication is essential. There is also a worrying issue about the validity of return tickets between the subsidised service and the Stagecoach service. Commissioners of services should address the situation where there are multiple suppliers for what is effectively a single service. Secretary will speak to Gillian Hall.

  7. Road Safety Play 3rd Feb. This production is for all ages to raise awareness of road safety

  8. Street sign at Pan Knowe. Someone on Facebook has rued the loss of the Pan Knowe street sign at the far end of Red Row. Secretary will request a replacement.


  1. Councillor Stewart.

  1. Fife Council draft budget is to be debated by the full council on 11th February. There is an ongoing public consultation in which people are encouraged to participate. https://www.fifedirect.org.uk/formFinder/index.cfm?fuseaction=form.Question&Form_id=54748C73-C00F-E27A-A022D3EEEE06537B

  2. Education and Social care are making massive demands on resources. There are massively increased costs in ‘looked after’ children and child protection.

  3. Ash Lagoon Liaison Committee has been resurrected and has met. Apart from decommissioning and reuse of power station site, there is also a need for the fate of the ash lagoons to be determined. We have not yet been invited. Cllr Stewart will ask them to add us to the circulation list.

  4. A community transport vehicle has been procured for West Fife villages. Cllr Stewart will ask Aileen Aitken to send us the details of its availability and management.

  5. Aileen is also overseeing the establishment of a Credit Union in West Fife and will be asked to send us details.


  1. AOCB

None



Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 23rd February 2016. 7.30pm. Gellet Hall.



CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 24TH NOVEMBER 2015


Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Tommy Cuthbert, Callum MacInnes, Lesley Scott, Rob Thompson, Kat Tebbutt,


In attendance: Kathleen Brewster, Craig Lindsay, Jockie Wilson, Colin and Betty Craig, Phil Whetton, Peter Wilson (for item 8)


Apologies: Alex Hill, Mandy Littlewood, Lorna Wilkie, Trevor Jones, Geoff Cartwright, Cllr Callaghan


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 27th October 2015.

The meeting accepted the minutes as a true record. (Doubts expressed about the record of the exchanges with Transport Scotland and Amey are dealt with at 1(a) below). Proposed: Lesley Scott, Seconded: Kat Tebbutt


  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 27th October 2015.

  1. Junction with A985. Secretary had received an electronic copy of the survey report late this afternoon. She will circulate it to CC members. There was some discussion as to whether the Secretary’s minute of the meeting fully represented the answers provided by the team from Transport Scotland and Amey and the undertakings they made to carry out further investigation. Secretary amended the minute accordingly. There had been a queue of 17 vehicles one morning this week. Signs are not working consistently and drivers are therefore still confused.

  2. Broadband. Cause of the delay has been clarified. Estate now has signed wayleave request for location of a cabinet at The Wellheads. Now has to go through planning process.

  3. Airport flight path plans. There had been no response to Alex’s post on Facebook. Not a big issue for most residents.

  4. Notices requesting that nappies be properly bagged have been posted in the play park. Thanks, Rob.

  5. 20mph in Pattiesmuir. May be a good idea to see what kind of road construction may be planned before going for a Traffic Order.

  6. College roof. Work will start in first week of December.

  7. IFLI Kilns project. Still await a timetable of works from Historic Scotland.

  8. Very bad potholes appearing in South Row and North Row need attention from the Estate.

  9. Woodland at West Road, Charlestown. Still need to discussion of residents’ suggestions with the Estate.

  10. Pattiesmuir proposals. The Estate’s Planning Agent, Andrew McCafferty, had mounted an exhibition and consultation on the Estate’s proposal for additional housing in Pattiesmuir on 9th of November at the College. There will be a special additional Community Council meeting in Pattiesmuir on 2nd December dedicated to this subject.

  11. Shooting. Lead shot had, once again, been showered into gardens at Halketts Hall. Kathleen will speak to the Gamekeeper.

  12. Eight people had attended the visit to Stirling Developments’ Calderwood housing development. (Stirling Developments are in line to manage the development of the Broomhall site.)


  1. Police Report. None received. Nothing to report.


  1. War memorial.

  1. Sword was installed on 7th November. Re dedication ceremony went ahead as planned on 8th November – a well-orchestrated and moving event. Thanks to Rob and all involved in achieving this.

  2. Disappointing that, once again, last year’s wreaths had been moved aside, but not taken off the site. Secretary is investigating.

  3. Completion form, photographs, and copies of the three invoices (for £120, £640, and £2400 have been sent to the Centenary Memorials Restoration Fund. Grant should now be released.

  4. The talk with slides in the Queen’s Hall on 5th November was very well received and raised £250 in donations. This will make up the shortfall.

  5. Derek from Powderhall will deal with applying ‘Smartwater’ security.

  6. Information display board at ‘ground level’ still under consideration.

  7. West Fife Rotary interested in providing funding for ‘further work’.

  8. Need to investigate designs and materials for appropriate treatment of the area around the war memorial. Jockie Wilson is happy to offer advice on appropriate materials.

  9. If the church might be funding a new seat, Floral Displays Group will be putting in an order with suppliers, and we could share the delivery costs.

  1. Planning

  1. Scottish Government Planning Review. Responses due by 1st December.

http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Built-Environment/planning/Review-of-Planning/documents

  1. Pierhead House, Limekilns. Application to form one dwelling from two flats, build a sun room, and form a balcony at the seaward end of the building. Secretary thought the prominence of this property should merit consideration by the Community Council as a statutory consultee. There was no agreement that this should be the case.

  2. Demolition at The Wellheads. The planning application for this work was submitted in August 2014. A single story wing is to be replaced with a two story extension.


  1. Community Engagement Group

Kat reported that the group had met last night and agreed the following next steps. Most are issues arising from the survey

  1. Village link - mini survey for ideas on how to use the Phone box

  2. College Club visit - Talk to Pat Gilmour about coming along one afternoon to have a visit/presentation/chat.

  3. The condition of roads and pavements was highlighted as an issue. Will anyone from the Council talk to us about when/how they make decisions about repairs? Sadly, Fife Council are strapped for cash, and can only tell us what they can’t do!

  4. The condition of local landmarks - Limekilns Pier. Can we invite Iain C/Alex Hill to do a slot at the CC on their plans? See next item!

  5. What does the CC do? Open information session/Q&A. 

All other ideas gratefully received. Another topic not listed above is the bus routes issue,

which was important. Do we know anything about ‘Dial a Bus’ and where it operates?. Needs investigation.

  1. Limekilns Pier

  1. Phil Whetton explained how a steering group of individuals has got together to explore the feasibility of repairing Limekilns Pier for Lord Elgin. They have just published a web site www.limekilnspier.org which invites people to register their interest in supporting the project in one or more of the many ways that are described.


  1. Treasurer’s Report. .

  1. Like RBS, Nationwide have no record of receiving our mandate for change of signatories. The meeting approved the proposal that we complete another mandate to confirm the addition of Alex Hill and Kat Tebbutt as signatories to that as well.


  1. Secretary’s report

  1. Leaflet had been circulated about ‘Your Parliament’ event at Carnegie Conference Centre on 5th December.

  2. Application for funding from West Fife Common Good Fund for model of the Forth Bridge. Peter Wilson was welcomed to the meeting and spoke of his involvement with Rosyth Cruise welcome project and explained the reasons for commissioning the model. The grant is applied for to support the purchase of a scale working model of the Forth Bridge, (recently awarded UNESCO World Heritage status), as part of wider funding of the Forth Bridges Cruise Project. The model costs £7500 (excluding VAT) and a display/carriage case £1020 excl VAT). The Model is being constructed by Ramsay Model Makers of Edinburgh. The model will be initially be used to promote the area to cruise ship itinerary planners, to increase the number of visitors to Dunfermline and West Fife. The Cruise Project has been in existence since 2011, resulting in a significant increase in visitor numbers to West Fife. Over 4000 passengers have been transported to Dunfermline and North Queensferry through funding provided to the Project. Local taxi drivers, tour operators, hotels, restaurants and shops have all benefitted directly from this increase in business. Feedback from visitor attractions has been that visitor numbers have increased throughout the year, due to the increase in profile which West Fife has gained from the Cruise Project. The acquisition of the model will allow further international marketing to be undertaken. The model will also be available for display at local exhibition spaces, and discussions have been entered into with Fife Cultural Trust, the Carnegie Birthplace Museum, and the recently opened Fire Station Creative Arts Centre, each of whom is keen to build a display into their planning calendar. Collectively – the economic benefit through tourism and the local interest through adding content to local cultural interest both provide a material addition to the Common Good of West Fife. The meeting thanked Peter for his time and expressed appreciation for all the work done by the Rosyth Cruise project


  1. Councillor Slot. No Councillor present.


  1. AOCB

  1. Church Bazaar on the 28th November will be held in the Church and its halls, rather than in the Queen’s Hall.


Date of Next Meetings: Pattiesmuir meeting on Weds 2nd December at the College. Next full meeting onTuesday 28th January 2016. 7.30pm. Gellet Hall.



CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 27TH OCTOBER 2015


Present: Alex Hill, Sue Hamilton, Callum MacInnes, Mandy Littlewood, Lesley Scott, Rob Thompson, Kat Tebbutt, Lorna Wilkie,


In attendance: Marco Bardelli and Jamie Carson (from Transport Scotland), Jim Reid (from Amey), Cllr Callaghan (until 8.15pm), Charlie Reid Thomas, Barbara McKenzie, Craig Lindsay, Brian Clark, Tom Leatherland, Doreen Kempsell, Colin and Betty Craig, Phil and Nan Whetton, Mike Brockie, Linda MacPhee, Mike and Dorothy Warren, Malcolm Hamilton.


Apologies: Cllr Stewart, Peter Curry, Tommy Cuthbert, Trevor Jones, Geoff Cartwright,


  1. Welcome.

The meeting commenced at 7pm to receive feedback on the camera survey carried out in June by Amey on behalf Transport Scotland. The Chairman welcomed Messrs Bardelli, Carson and Reid.

  1. The survey had been carried out between 7am and 9pm from Tuesday 23rd June to Saturday 27th June.

  2. The main road carries 8000 vehicles in each direction per day while 1500 exit from Limekilns. 1000 of these turn right. The footage was of vehicles leaving and entering the junction.

  3. It was analysed for ’conflicts’ in four categories: light breaking, heavy breaking, near misses, and ‘anything else’. “There were no significant conflicts”.

  4. The maximum queue length was 7 cars. The maximum waiting time was two minutes.

  5. Was there analysis of braking on the main road? ‘No’.

  6. Was there analysis of speed on the main road? ‘No, but it would be possible to run it again for that’. This is a major issue.

  7. Did they record how often vehicles crossed the double white line onto the hatched area? ‘No, but it might be possible to re-run the analysis for this factor’. This is a major issue.

  8. There was general agreement among villagers that the hazard of turning right out of the village is exacerbated by a number of factors: speeding on the main road, the shortness of the slip road to turn into Limekilns from the east, a tendency for drivers a) to overtake vehicles that are slowing to enter the slip road and b) consequently to cross the double white line onto the hatched area. This latter aspect adds to the vulnerability of vehicles waiting to turn right into the village. The view for drivers waiting to turn right out of the village, of such rogue overtaking vehicle, is blocked by any vehicles in the slip road. (Technology can monitor speeds, and queue lengths, but not drivers’ stress levels and blood pressure!)

  9. We were told that the total spend so far on the variable signs, the new surface, and the new road markings has been £90,000. If our junction should ever get high enough up the ‘dangerous’ list to be eligible for major engineered alterations to layout, we are talking about a spend of more like £250.000. (In that unlikely event, the likely choice by the engineering experts would be a wider carriageway with a protected central reservation.)

  10. Roundabouts only work where there are similar traffic flows from each arm of the junction. Otherwise the ‘main’ road would still always have priority over a minor road.

  11. Seems that we can’t have traffic lights, because they ‘are not used in rural locations’. (This statement is at odds with the traffic lights at the junction between Inverkeithing High School and Hillend.)

  12. Part time traffic lights? ‘They’re only used to feed traffic onto motorway slip roads’. (No reason given for this)

  13. Street lighting? ‘We don’t do street lights in rural locations’. (No reason given for this.)

  14. Paint the kerbs white so that the unexpected geometry of the curve is clearer. ‘If we painted them, the paint would soon wear off and they would have to be repainted’ No explanation why paint quality could not be better, or the cost of an occasional repaint would be prohibitive)

  15. Eastbound right turn arrows position is misleading – can either lure one into turning right before the traffic island, or cause you to turn too late and hit the kerb lining the slip road. These will be checked.

  16. Marco said he ‘has not forgotten our request for ‘No HGV’ signs at Pattiesmuir and the Charlestown junction’.

  17. A resident said that ‘Getting out of Pattiesmuir is not only difficult, it’s virtually impossible!’


This part of the meeting ended at 8pm. The gentlemen were thanked for attending

There was no further discussion of the topic after they had left.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 29th September 2015.

The meeting accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Lesley Scott, Seconded: Callum MacInnes.


  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 29th September 2015.

  1. Broadband. Charlie confirmed that the Estate is responding to an Openreach wayleave request for the Wellheads.

  2. Airport flight path plans. Beryl Leatherland had written to Alex. He will ask on the CC Facebook page what changes residents had observed during the period of the trial. A major campaign continues in West Lothian where some communities are severely affected.

  3. 50mph Signs. The signs have been removed. Secretary had thanked Scott Blyth.

  4. Rob reported that notices requesting that nappies be properly bagged have not yet been produced. Kat to speak to park people about more closed-top bins.

  5. 20mph in Pattiesmuir. Barbara thinks this should be progressed. Secretary will contact Scott Blyth.

  6. Fairer Scotland Card Game. Rob and some friends had tried it. Fun for a bit, but no great revelations or disagreements.

  1. Police Report. None received. Nothing to report to Police.


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Pattiesmuir unmade road. Worst potholes have been filled. Slow sign has been erected.

  2. College roof. Tendering process is still ongoing. CRT says they are ‘looking to save money by using Estate labour and recycled materials.’ Barbara said that ‘the College Club are keen to get back to their home base, members having been unsettled by the temporary move to the Church Hall’. CRT anticipates that there will be positive news by the end of November.

  3. IFLI Kilns project. Still await a timetable of works from Historic Scotland.

  4. Very bad potholes appearing in South Row and North Row. They are not the responsibility of Fife Council, because these roads are not adopted.

  5. Woodland at West Road, Charlestown. More discussion with the Estate of residents’ suggestions required.

  6. Shooting season starts on Thursday 29th. Shoots will continue on Fridays thereafter until the end of January. Kat reminded CRT that the ‘drive’ behind Halketts Hall should not be used unless there is wind from the south west.

  7. The Estate’s Planning Agent, Andrew McCafferty, is mounting an exhibition and consultation on the Estate’s proposal for additional housing in Pattiesmuir from 2.30 – 7.30pm on Monday 9th of November at the College. A notice to this effect has been posted in the College window. Barbara asked that the Estate deliver a leaflet about the consultation to every property in Pattiesmuir. Secretary asked that a copy of the notice be sent to her.


  1. War memorial.

  1. A press release has confirmed that funding has, as promised, been granted from the Centenary Memorials Restoration Fund. Not clear when we will receive it so that we can pay Powderhall Forge.

  2. Craig and colleagues will give a talk with slides in the Queen’s Hall on 5th November.

  3. The sword will be attached to the war memorial between the 6th and 8th of November. It will be dedicated at the Remembrance ceremony on the 8th.

  4. The costs and design of a display board at ‘ground level’ are being discussed. It is hoped that this can be in place by 2018. Everyone to look out for examples of interpretation boards that we like to see what sort of design to go for.  Craig may know someone who can supply artwork.  There is currently no funding / budget for interpretation.


  1. Planning

  1. Scottish Government Planning Review. Secretary will draft a CC response to be discussed at the next meeting. In the meantime it would be helpful if members look at the issues they are considering at this link.

http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Built-Environment/planning/Review-of-Planning/documents Responses are required by 1st December.

  1. ‘Your Place, Your Views’, Fife Council consultation Secretary read the response she had written as Secretary of the Community Council.

  2. Visit to Stirling Developments’ Calderwood housing development near Livingston. Saturday 21st November to be shown round by Neil Beswick, who works for Stirling Developments and used to live in Limekilns.


  1. Community Engagement Group.

Nothing to report


  1. Treasurer’s Report. .

  1. Bank of Scotland is still not sending out statements on a regular basis.

  2. RBS (holds Residents for Responsible Development account) deny that they ever received our new mandate form sent in May. The meeting approved the proposal that we complete another mandate to confirm the addition of Alex Hill and and Kat Tebbutt as signatories.


  1. Secretary’s report

Secretary will complete Bill Welsh’s questionnaire, which has been circulated to members and pass on the requests for training as articulated at this meeting.


  1. Councillor Callaghan. Cllr Callaghan had left the meeting earlier..


  1. AOCB

  1. Funding from the Esh Charitable Trust. Secretary had circulated information about this source of funds earlier today. Rob suggested that it might be good to put in an application for the allotments project. He would have a look at the paperwork.

  2. Phil Whetton thanked the public and neighbours for their forbearance during the annual craning out operation. The crane operator had, in error, taken the route along Brucehaven Road – which proved challenging!

  3. This week, Norman and Karen Grant have celebrated 25 years as minister and minister’s wife in this parish. A collection is being made towards a celebratory gift, and they have expressed a desire that this be something for the community, rather than for them. Ideas please.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 24th November 2015. 7.30pm. Gellet Hall.


 


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 29TH SEPTEMBER 2015


Present: Sue Hamilton, Callum MacInnes, Lesley Scott, Rob Thompson, Lorna Wilkie,


In attendance: Kathleen Brewster, Cllr Callaghan, Cllr Stewart, (from item 10), Craig Lindsay, Tom Leatherland, Doreen Kempsell, Anne Aldridge, Colin and Betty Craig,


Apologies: Alex Hill, Peter Curry, Tommy Cuthbert, Kat Tebbutt, Geoff Cartwright, Mandy Littlewood,


  1. Welcome. Lorna Wilkie, who lives at The Cairns in Charlestown, was welcomed as a new member of the Community Council.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 25th August 2015.

The meeting accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Lesley Scott, Seconded: Callum MacInnes. Rob had produced a spreadsheet of action points from the meeting which was very helpful


  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 25th August 2015.

  1. Junction with A985. Still no formal results from the camera survey. Amey and Transport Scotland have promised to present the results to the Community Council. Secretary had requested that full technical detail is included. (No move on the painted kerbs or the return of the missing bollard.)

  2. Mobile Post Office service. No news.

  3. Outdoor Fitness. No news.

  4. Unsuitable for HGVs’ signs. Secretary had passed this request directly to Marco Bardelli of Transport Scotland.

  5. Broadband. Kathleen is following up a wayleave request which she has for the Wellheads..

  6. Airport flight path plans. The trial has caused a lot of grief in the Broxburn / Uphall areas of West Lothian. Craig had read in the press that the trial was to be stopped early to evaluate the evident impact on communities.

  7. Rosyth Churchyard. Bereavement Services had done an excellent job in removing the collapsed fence and erecting a post and rail fence which has a gap for a gate, but no gate yet. The trees whose roots were threatening the foundations of the church building have been cut down and their stumps treated. Doreen had apologised to a couple who had planted a small tree, which had been cut down in the process.

  8. 50mph Signs. A resident had contacted Traffic Management to express her concern that the prominent 50mph signs might encourage drivers to speed up towards the brow of the hill when, in fact they were approaching a 20mph area and the school with its accompanying hazards. She was told that the Community Council had approved the plan. Secretary wrote to remind Traffic Management that the CC had not objected, but that the plans had given no indication that prominent post signs would be erected. (Brankholm Brae has its 40 signs painted on the road.) Traffic Management have agreed to remove the prominent sign and relocate it onto the ‘Limekilns’ sign.

  9. Fife Council is content for us to put notices on the bins, asking that nappies be bagged and sealed. Rob will progress this action.

  10. Telephone Kiosk adoption. No progress.

  11. Boundary Commission. Date for submissions on the final proposal is 22nd October. Meeting agreed that we are content to be included in the Rosyth ward. This would not preclude us from joining in any activity with West Fife Villages Community Councils.



  1. Police Report.

  1. The Community Engagement meeting this evening it was reported that, In the past two months, there had been 113 calls to the police in the area which includes Cairneyhill and Crombie. Crimes recorded were one theft in Charlestown, one theft in Pattiesmuir and one ‘theft by finding’ in Limekilns.

  2. The issue which is still causing greatest concern in the villages is the Range Rover which is often parked opposite the entrance to Brucehaven Road, causing a real hazard to all users of the junctions at this location.

  3. Police are doing work in the local schools on open water safety and internet safety.


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Pattiesmuir unmade road. Jim McDonald still to fill potholes that have developed.

  2. College roof. Tendering process is still ongoing.

  3. IFLI (Inner Forth Landscape Initiative) Kilns project. Scrub clearance has commenced. Still await a timetable of works from Historic Scotland.

  4. Drone survey of shoreline has been carried out. Operators were alerting any members of the public that filming was happening.

  5. There had been an incident of vandalism to pheasant pens on the Estate.

  6. Very bad potholes appearing in South Row. North row pothole still needs proper attention.

  7. Woodland at West Road, Charlestown. This woodland is not particularly ‘well-groomed’, but local residents appreciate the amenity it provides for local walking and the fact that it is full of wildlife. Residents who take regular walks there are best placed to spot when careless and opportunistic people from elsewhere use it for their own recreational purposes and leave unsightly litter and dangerous broken glass behind. It is local residents who clear up this mess, as they also do in other woodland such as at Windylaw. Residents suggest that some informal pathways could be cleared and signs erected to indicate to uncouth youth that it was a place which was cared for, rather than waste ground about which no-one was bothered. Perhaps such paths might be cleared when the planned felling is carried out. Local residents are the Estate’s best allies in this situation.


  1. War memorial.

  1. Sword is at finally assembly stage and almost ready to be installed. Probably best to leave installation until nearer the rededication which will be in association with the Remembrance service on the 8th of November. (Rob, Norman Grant and Craig Lindsay will co-ordinate in association with Lord Elgin and/or Charles Bruce.) Rob will sign the completion certificate which will allow the grant to be released. Meeting agreed that Community Council could release funds for short term bridging finance if required.

  2. The research carried out by Diana Douglas and others has revealed information about 32 of the 33 men named on the memorial. Craig is collating the information digitally.

  3. The meeting agreed that a display board at ‘ground level’ should be commissioned to provide a resume of the information. Secretary suggested that funding for such a project is likely to be fairly easy to access and emphasized that good design is essential.

  4. Lorna said that she was, as part of her job, in the process of commissioning similar boards, and would have information about cost of design, production and installation.

  5. Craig offered to give a talk (perhaps in the Queen’s Hall) about the development of the idea of a replacement sword and the manufacturing process, as well as some of the information about the men whose names are on the memorial. It was agreed that this would be a useful means of sharing the information more widely, and possibly also a means of raising funds towards the display board.


  1. Planning

  1. South East Scotland Strategic Plan. Secretary had attended the event for CCs. It does make some sort of sense for local authorities to work together with their neighbours. She had hoped to share her response with the CC, but difficult to do when it had to be completed on line. She had attended a further event called ‘SESPlan and Communities’.

  2. The Scottish Government has announced a ‘Planning Review’ to be carried out this autumn. This could be the opportunity to incorporate an ‘Equal Right of Appeal’ – something for which Planning Democracy is campaigning.

  3. ‘Your Place, Your Views’. Fife Council is consulting individuals and communities on the planning process. The consultation ends on 23rd October. Secretary has circulated the details to the email contact list. Individuals are encouraged to respond. She apologised for not having brought a copy to the meeting.

  4. CC members have been invited, by Peter Stirling, to visit Stirling Developments’ Calderwood housing development near Livingston. (Stirling Developments are set to be the developers of the ‘Broomhall’ development site south of Dunfermline.) Date of visit still to be arranged.


  1. West Fife Villages Community Council Forum.

Rob had attended the AGM in Tommy’s place. It is proposed that future meetings will be held at quarterly intervals, each focussing on an issue that is common to all the Community Councils.


  1. Community Engagement Group.

  1. Group had met on 14th September.

  2. Discussed how to communicate with those who are not digitally engaged. Will write a piece for next Village Link. Rob volunteered to summarise main points discussed at meetings in bullet points for the noticeboards

  3. Suggestion that the CC organises focussed public meetings on particular topics.

  1. Fairer Scotland Events and Card game.

  1. The Scottish government has launched a ‘conversation’ and series of events about how to create a ‘Fairer Scotland’. Secretary had attended an event for Community Councils in Glasgow.

  2. A card game has been published to encourage everyone to join in the conversation. Secretary showed a copy to the meeting. She thought it was a useful idea. Others were not so sure. Rob took the pack away to have a look at it further.


  1. Floral displays Achievements.

  1. Limekilns and Charlestown had been awarded Silver Medals in both Beautiful Fife and Beautiful Scotland. Thanks and congratulations to all involved for their hard work in creating and maintaining the displays.

  2. A fund-raising quiz sheet is doing the rounds at the moment.


  1. Treasurer’s Report.

  1. The only cheque paid was £28 to Jimmy Hutchinson for the Remembrance Day Wreath.

  2. Bank is still not sending out statements on a regular basis.


  1. Secretary’s Report

  1. Since the last meeting, the Community Council has nominated Beryl Leatherland for the position of community representative on Fife Access Forum.

  2. ‘Hands Over the Forth’ protest against Underground Coal Gasification. Forth Road Bridge. 2pm 11th October. Estimate it needs 1850 people to reach across.

  1. Councillor Callaghan. .

Referring to the Planning Review, (6b above), Councillor Callaghan, expressed her continuing frustration in her role as a member of the West Area Planning Committee. However strong the feelings of a community she represents, or however strong her own feelings against approval of a controversial or inappropriate plan, she is ‘strongly advised’ not to vote against, or persuade others to vote against, a planning officer’s recommendation to approve. The consequences of such a vote would likely be an appeal by the applicant to the Secretary of State and resulting costs to Fife Council.


  1. Councillor Stewart

  1. With the closure of Crombie School, provision for both primary school children and nursery children is offered at Limekilns. Simultaneously, Fife has withdrawn transport for nursery children. The limited bus service provided by Stagecoach means that mums who live in Crombie and who don’t have a car have difficulty in getting their children safely to and from Limekilns.

  2. There are plans for a substantial number of ‘affordable’ homes to be built in Crombie, some on the site of the now closed school. Cllr Stewart questioned the value and wisdom of providing ‘affordable’ homes in a community with no school, doctor, or shop. The homes may be ‘affordable’ but accessing essential services is not.

  3. Aileen Aitken works for Fife Council with a remit for ‘inclusion’ in West Fife Villages, with particular reference to transport. She has procured a ‘people carrier’ type of vehicle and hopes to recruit volunteer drivers. This might help resolve the sorts of transport issues faced by the Crombie mums.

  4. The ‘Ash Lagoon Liaison committee’ has been reconvened to help address the consequences for West Fife of the planned closure of Longannet power station. Secretary said that this Community Council had not received notice of the first meeting which has already been held.


  1. AOCB

None


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 27th October 2015.



CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 24TH AUGUST 2015


Present: Sue Hamilton, Callum MacInnes, Alex Hill, Lesley Scott, Kat Tebbutt, Rob Thompson, Peter Curry, Tommy Cuthbert


In attendance: Kathleen Kilpatrick (now Kathleen Brewster - Congratulations!), Karen Grant, Fiona Thompson, Brian Clark, Kirsty Drummond


Apologies: Geoff Cartwright, Mandy Littlewood, Cllr Callaghan, Cllr Stewart


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 30th June 2015.

The meeting accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Rob Thompson, Seconded: Alex Hill.


  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 30th June 2015.

  1. Junction with A985. The camera survey was carried out in late June. Secretary had enquired last week about the results. Gordon Boyd said ‘the survey showed very few vehicle conflicts over the period of the survey’. There is an offer to present the results to the Community Council. This has been accepted. (No move on the painted kerbs or the return of the missing bollard.) Peter said ‘Traffic Master’ statistics show increased congestion incidents all the way along the A985.

  2. Mobile Post Office service. No news.

  3. Outdoor Fitness. No news.

  4. Unsuitable for HGVs’ signs. Scott Blyth has yet to establish the necessary contact with Amey.

  5. Unconventional Gas meeting. Invoice for £12 received for hall hire. £20.30 collected on the door will also be donated to Queen’s Hall.

  6. Cairns Parking. Job completed in July. Invoice for £2227 paid. Red shale chips may not provide the best finish, but the extra hard-standing is generally working well. Situation with respect to bin lorry access will be monitored

  7. War memorial. Application for Listed Building Amendment has been approved. The purchase of the OS extract Plan at a cost of £27.25 was reimbursed from CC funds. We hope to delay payment of the bill for the casting of the mold until funding has been received. Rededication event now likely to be in association with the Remembrance service on the 8th of November. Rob, Norman Grant and Craig Lindsay will co-ordinate in association with Lord Elgin and/or Charles Bruce.

  8. Broadband. Brian Clark, who works in telecommunications, has been using his knowledge and contacts to find why we have incomplete fast broadband coverage in Limekilns. He has contact with Digital Scotland Stakeholder Manager, who says it is Openreach who are responsible for making the connections. Openreach imply that it is a wayleave problem. Difficult to fathom why this should be. Kathleen will check whether the Estate has received a wayleave request.

  9. Engaging with Planning event. Secretary had attended this at Fife House yesterday. About 20 Community Councils were represented. General dissatisfaction was expressed with the relationship between Fife Planning department and Community Councils. Helpful advice was provided about features of the online planning portal. It is possible to receive notifications for any applications in a Community Council area. Contact Secretary for details of the procedure for creating and saving a search.

  10. Airport flight path plans. New flight path is used on a very irregular basis. There was little awareness of the change among members present, other than the Secretary who, on Sunday 22nd, heard eight flights using it between 7 and 7.30am, while on Monday 23rd, there were none between these times. Weather conditions were identical.

  11. Rosyth Churchyard. Secretary had met on site with Liz Murphy of Bereavement Services. She agreed that the collapsed fence should be replaced with a post and wire fence with a gate, which would provide access to allow the area inside to be maintained.

  12. Sutlery. Janice and Jimmy still await a buyer. They are not considering a ‘Plan B’ just now!

  13. Giant Hogweed. Network Rail had not acknowledged their responsibility for controlling the spread of Giant Hogweed. Somebody seems to have sprayed the growth at Merryhill Bridge. There is a website where anyone can log the occurrence of non-native invasive species. Here is the link: www.inns.rafts.org.uk

  1. Police Report. No report. Floral Display containers have been stolen. Next Community Engagement meeting is planned for 29th September.


  1. Broomhall Estate.

  1. Pattiesmuir unmade road. 10mph speed limit notice has been erected. Survey of property titles is being carried out, to see what burdens exist. Large potholes have developed. Kathleen will ask Jim McDonald to fill them. Draft plans for houses will be presented to Pattiesmuir residents at a meeting in October. Andrew McCafferty is managing the process.

  2. College roof is unsafe for access to replace missing tiles. Tenders are being invited for replacing the roof.

  3. Proposed development behind Old Schoolhouse, Charlestown. No further comment from the Community Council.

  4. Pop Concert. Immediate neighbours and Kathleen did not agree about whether their interests had been taken into account. As far as the rest of the village was concerned, there had been no disturbance (other than a low pitched beat booming out for 12 hours).

  5. IFLI (Inner Forth Landscape Initiative) Kilns project. Agreement has been signed. Work should begin next week.

  6. Drones. Estate has been approached by a company called Skylark who have been commissioned by Babcock to carry out a drone survey of the shoreline of the villages. Members queried what rules exist about photography from drones.

  1. Planning

South East Scotland Strategic Plan consultation is ongoing. Event for CCs on Weds 2nd September at Fife House plus public drop in events.


  1. Public Library Consultation

Consultation on the future of library services in Fife have been well publicised. Concern has been expressed about the future of the mobile library service. Secretary had enquired about the use of it locally. She had been assured that there is no threat to the mobile service and that the review is to ensure that best use of the mobile service is made to replace any static facilities that may be withdrawn as a result of the consultation.


  1. Telephone kiosk adoption process

  1. The ‘consultation’ period with Fife Council is now ended. On 17th August, Secretary received a contract for the Community Council to sign. It will be circulated for members’ perusal.

  2. Lots of questions about where we’re at and different ideas, whether a Community Council can own an asset, what our liabilities might be etc etc. Motivation for moving to adopt was to achieve a sensible location to plug in the mobile post office. The idea of local history information points still has its advocates. There is also the option of keeping the telephone connection – which could be an asset in view of the poor mobile reception in the villages.

  3. Kirsty Drummond spoke powerfully in favour of community defibrillators. She had recent statistics about cardiac deaths among the working age population. She even happened to have a demonstration defibrillator with her and showed the meeting how it provided all the necessary instructions and encouragement for anyone using it. She said that one real benefit that communities had found was the increased awareness of CPD through Defibrillator Awareness sessions, and the need for everyone to be trained. Peter provided the rationale he had previously provided, based on his professional involvement with NHS Fife, our proximity to ambulance service, and the low footfall in small villages like ours, compared to supermarkets and railway stations where defibrillators are commonly installed – though surprisingly rarely used. Kirsty said her enthusiasm for community defibrillators is that she herself is a survivor. She had found that the community of Ladybank had little difficulty in raising the necessary funds. (£1,000 for defibrillator, £500 for cabinet, £100 electrical work, £100 per use). Kirsty operates under the banner of ‘Howe Shocking’. She can be contacted at ladybankpad@gmail.com or 0770 853 0682. Meeting acknowledged the desirability of more folk being trained in CPD.


  1. IFLI/Marine conservation Society Beach Clean

This will be held in conjunction with a litter survey at Limekilns Pier at 10am on Monday 21st September. All local support welcome


  1. Community Engagement Group.

Mandy has provided further analysis of the results (99 survey responses completed – mostly on-line). The issue of most concern was the junction with the A985. Fracking also got a high score. There was something akin to a normal distribution in views in that some thought we were great and some thought we were rubbish, and most were somewhere between.

Mandy suggested that the more negative responses indicated that we should

* Think about how to communicate better - especially to include people not online.

* Think about governance issues and the role/image of the CC - how to involve more people to refresh the group and be more widely accountable/representative/welcoming

* Some comments suggest that some people expect more of the CC than is possible / achievable / within our remit

* Some suggest unfairness / arbitrariness in the way the CC operates. Do we need to think about developing some guidelines of protocols on what we do/don’t do and why/why not?

In Mandy’s absence, these points were not discussed in detail at the meeting. They will be remitted to the Community Engagement Group.

  1. Treasurer’s Report.

  1. After many hours of frustrating contacts with the Bank of Scotland Customer Services, a new signature mandate was eventually achieved after the submission of a detailed written complaint. In recognition of its failure to provide the simple service required, the Bank has made a donation of £250 to the Community Council and a separate donation of £150 to the Secretary to compensate for her time, her telephone bills, and her travel to and from the bank. Meeting agreed that a cheque for this £150 be made out to the Secretary.

  2. Grant from Fife Council of £632.28 has been received.

  3. Cheques paid were £25 subscription to Association for the Protection of Rural Scotland, £2,227.20 for the Cairns parking project (being the amount received from Fife Council locality Budget earlier in the year), £150 to Secretary (as above), £27.55 for OS map extract for War memorial, and £12 for Queen’s Hall hire.


  1. Secretary’s Report

  1. Boundary Commission have published their final proposals for new ward boundaries. We are still destined to move in with Rosyth, but so now is Crombie – which was a suggestion we had made.

  2. Geoff Cartwright has three ‘asks’ for Pattiesmuir: stop HGVs, stop speeding, stop dog fouling. The HGV issue is ‘being dealt with’. Secretary had spoken to Scott Blyth about speeding. He thinks a traffic order for possible speed humps and 20mph signs would be possible if this was what residents want. Extent and location of dog fouling unspecified.

  3. Someone in the CC survey had asked for 20mph signs round Charlestown Green. Scott happy with the idea of 20mph signs on the lamp posts as long as the Estate does not have a problem. Kathleen said the Estate would not have a problem.

  4. A number of folk have been bemused by the new 50mph signs on the way into Limekilns. No-one was aware of a speeding problem here! Scott will check whether the number of signs is excessive.

  5. Information had been sent about this year’s recruitment campaign for Children’s Panel members. Men are particularly welcome. Information was not provided in an e-mailable form.

  6. Following concern about brown foam on the beach, Secretary had found a named SEPA person who has responsibility for this area in the Glenrothes office. The foam had, by someone, been blamed on Longannet, but Longannet was completely shut down over the relevant period. The likelihood is that it is caused by an algal bloom which makes bubbles in waves whipped up by the windy conditions into a gelatinous foam.

  7. Cara Hilton MSP had sent information about Action Earth ‘Grab a Grant’ scheme. Secretary had wondered whether it might be used to buy plug plants to establish a real wild flower meadow on the bank along Haven’s Edge.

  8. Secretary had, today, been sent information about Fife’s Diversity Week events.

  9. Survey forms were available for the community survey which Limekilns Church is carrying out as part of the ‘Future Focus’ process.

  10. Limekilns Playpark is plagued by gulls and crows who empty the bins. A resident makes a point of clearing up, but draws the line at soiled nappies which sometimes form part of the mix. She had asked if it was possible to put a ‘Please take nappies home’ sign on the bins. Meeting didn’t think so. Rob Thompson said he would contact Public Health to seek their advice on how one should dispose of soiled nappies.


  1. Councillor. None present. No report.


  1. AOCB

  1. Excellent Gala Week and Gala Day. Great participation. Well done and thanks to all involved throughout the year.

  2. Floral Displays. Villages are looking superb. Thanks to everyone responsible.

  3. Flower Show next Saturday.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 29th September 2015. Venue to be confirmed.


 

 


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 30TH JUNE 2015


Present: Sue Hamilton, Callum MacInnes, Alex Hill, Kat Tebbutt, Rob Thompson, Geoff Cartwright,


In attendance: Fiona Thompson, Tom Leatherland, Colin and Betty Craig, Mike Brockie, Moira Adams, Doreen Kempsell, Yasmine Bazazi, Ricardo Chicarella, Jocky Wilson.


  1. Apologies: Peter Curry, Tommy Cuthbert, Mandy Littlewood, Trevor Jones, Police, Broomhall Estate, Cllr Callaghan (after the meeting)

Chairman Alex Hill was a little late in arriving, so Callum MacInnes chaired the meeting


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 26th May 2015.

The meeting accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Kat Tebbutt, Seconded: Callum MacInnes.


  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 26th May 2015.

  1. Junction with A985. A full week’s camera survey should have been carried out last week. No-one at the meeting had noticed cameras. Preliminary results from the Community Council survey indicate that almost all respondents consider this to be a ‘very important’, or ‘quite important’ issue. It must remain a priority concern for the Community Council. The fatal accident at the Limekilns road end had drawn some attention from the Press to our ongoing campaign for improvements to our junction. No move on the painted kerbs or the return of the missing bollard.

  2. Mobile Post Office service. No news.

  3. Outdoor Fitness. No news.

  4. Unsuitable for HGVs’ signs. Amey have been asked to put signs at Charlestown road end and at Pattiesmuir. No suitable locations within Charlestown for westbound traffic.

  5. Unconventional Gas meeting. The notice Rob sent to Village Link about the meeting did not arrive at the editor’s desk. He had arranged a house to house leaflet drop instead. Secretary commented that it was important always to include CC contact details if it is a CC event or leaflet. There was a pleasing attendance at the meeting of some 40 individuals. The two speakers were Donald Campbell from the Broad Alliance, and Prof Andrew Waterston from Stirling University. Jess Pepper had another commitment, but said she could attend at another time to speak on Climate Change if we wished her to do so. Some Powerpoint slides showed aspects of Underground Coal Gasification. Outwith the CC meeting, Rob handed the treasurer a box containing an unspecified amount of money which was taken in donations at the door. He anticipated that an invoice would be sent by the Queen’s Hall Treasurer to the CC Treasurer. Secretary will ensure that the Queen’s Hall Treasurer has our new Treasurer details. He had not incurred any other costs. It is understood that INEOS have agreed to attend a meeting at Kincardine for local residents only.

  6. Inner Forth landscape Initiative Kilns Project. No news

  7. Cairns Parking. No progress. John Wilson Junior was in attendance for a later item. Secretary hoped that he and she could arrange a meeting and a start date soon.

  8. War memorial. Application had been submitted to Fife Council for Listed Building Amendment, for which there was no charge, but there was a requirement to submit an OS extract Plan which had been purchased at a cost of £27.25. An interim bill of £500 has been presented by the sculptor for the making of the mold. He is aware that it cannot be paid until the War Memorial Trust money comes in. The work should be completed in late August. We need to fix a date for a rededication event and decide who shall be invited.

  9. Local bus service. Secretary has put a notice on the notice boards. A temporary bus stop has been installed near the Sutlery. Drivers have got the message that they stop there on request. There is greater variability in the willingness of drivers to set passengers down nearer the Sutlery than the Elgin on the westbound journey..

  10. Broadband. No news

  11. Kiosk Adoption. No news.

  12. Airport flight path plans. Pilot started on the 25th of this month.

  13. Rosyth Churchyard. Secretary still to arrange a meeting with Liz Murphy.

  14. Sutlery. There is still no interested buyer. Secretary to ask Janice whether they have a ‘Plan B’.

  15. Bistro License Variation. Following their site visit, the Licensing Board had granted the license without restriction. Yasmine Bazazi explained the situation from her perspective. She has no interest in running a pub, or staying up late every night. Residents at the hotel occasionally wish to take a drink outside on a summer evening. There have been two wedding events in 25 years, the most recent having been two years ago (when there had been no complaints lodged with the police or the licensing board). She recognizes the need that all parking should take into account the interests of neighbours

  1. Police Report.

  1. PC Orrock had sent a list of 12 calls received – ranging from a lost cat to the fatality on the A985. One crime of vandalism had been recorded in Charlestown


  1. Broomhall Estate. Pattiesmuir

  1. There had been a meeting about the road (attended by Geoff, Bob Ferguson, Charlie Reid Thomas, Kathleen Kilpatrick, Charles Bruce, and Sue Hamilton.) Nothing further has been done beyond the interim repairs. Geoff asked for a 10mph speed limit notice to be erected but this has not been done, despite the Estate saying it would not be a problem. Speeding cars break up the road. The Estate still conflates the issue of the unmade road with the plan to build houses. Residents think the road issue should be resolved without reference to any building proposals. A meeting to which all residents are invited has yet to be held, so there has been no opportunity for sharing any vision.

  2. Proposed development behind Old Schoolhouse, Charlestown. At the meeting mentioned in the preceding item, Charles Bruce had presented proposed plans for building four houses on this land (which is scheduled for residential development in the Local Development Plan). A planning application has yet to be submitted, so the Secretary had asked Kathleen for a copy of the plans which she presented to the meeting. The architects, Yeoman McAllister, apparently took inspiration from ‘the vernacular architecture of West Fife, and will adopt traditional elements such as harling and slated roofs. The new homes will be inspired by the pattern-book used by the Estate in the early nineteenth century when it laid out a suburb for hand-loom weavers at Elgin Street in Dunfermline.’ Members acknowledged early sight of the application, but did not comment in any detail on it.

  3. Hogweed. The massive growth of hogweed on the railway line at Merryhill is of great concern. Secretary had tried to get a coherent picture of responsibilities through conversations with the Estate, Fife Council (Public Protection) and Network Rail (whose responsibility it probably is, but who have yet to take any action).

  4. Pop Concert. Kathleen Kilpatrick had informed the Secretary this morning that Ricardo Chicarella, the organiser of a pop concert which is to be held in West Quarry, Charlestown, would attend the meeting tonight to talk about his plans. Secretary had said to Kathleen that telling the Community Council was a good idea, but that none of the members lived near enough to be affected by the event, so it was more important to ensure that the immediate neighbours were informed. Ricardo said this is his fourth year operating a ‘boutique festival’. He is working in partnership with Jocky Wilson of Waulkmill Farm. The event will be on 22nd August from 12 noon to midnight. The event is called ‘In the Woods’ and is promoted on Facebook and bookings are managed on-line. It would be contained within the West Quarry landfill site which is contained by vertical cliffs. Participants (about 500) will all be bussed in – the ticket price includes the bus fare – and bussed back home at the end of the event. There is no car parking. Secretary re-emphasised how important it was to make sure the interests of the immediate neighbours were properly taken into consideration.

  1. Community Engagement Group.

  1. Questionnaire. About 75 questionnaires have been completed – mostly on-line. Mandy will carry out a full analysis of the results.

  2. Secretary, Kat, and Mandy had responded to the school’s invitation to talk to P2 pupils about the Community Council. One child pointed out that there was still no bollard preventing vehicles driving onto Limekilns Park. Secretary will follow this up. There was another interesting question about whether Crombie could be included in our Community Council. Technically, it cannot, but it might be worth considering co-opting a Crombie representative now that Crombie children attend Limekilns School.


  1. Treasurer’s Report.

  1. No movement of funds during the month.

  2. Still trying to get a new signature mandate through the system. We were unaware that the Bank had, apparently, never received he first one, so we had to start all over again. Existing signatories include Gaye Darby who stopped being secretary 27 years ago. The meeting passed a resolution to remove the following as signatories: Gaye Darby, Anne Anderson, Beryl Leatherland, Ali MacKerron, and Suze Anderson. Signatories will now be Sue Hamilton, Kat Tebbutt, Alex Hill.

  3. Form to claim our grant from Fife Council has been submitted.


  1. Secretary’s Report

  1. On 23rd June, Secretary had received information about ‘Scottish Heritage Angel Awards’ for which nominations have to be submitted by 30th June! Maybe they’ll give us more notice in future years.

  2. The ‘Engaging with Planning’ event, for which the Secretary has registered will be held on 24th August. She had received no expressions of interest from other members in going


  1. Councillor. None present. No report.


  1. AOCB

  1. Moira Adams, who is a member of Fife Health Board, had, this morning attended a meeting where a major topic of discussion was the petition that had been lodged requesting that A&E services be restored at Queen Margaret Hospital. Detailed research of the impact of the closure on patient outcome showed that there had been no significant deterioration. There is no way that the Health Board would reconsider their decision – notwithstanding longer travelling distances for patients and ambulances. What had become clear was that there was very little public understanding of the services provided by the Minor Injuries Unit. This operates 24/7, with the proviso that X-ray is not available at night. Moira held up a booklet called ‘Know who to turn to’. No-one present was aware of its existence, although it should be available from GP surgeries and pharmacies. Here is a link to it.

http://www.nhsfife.org/nhs/index.cfm?fuseaction=publication.pop&pubid=B6FB9F56-C8CB-9B7C-4F5E10F01AEE2B98&orgid=60304279-A856-11D6-BF4D0002A5349AC9

An overall conclusion of the review was that better communication is vital. There should be better integration and communication between the various services.

  1. Alex asked if the Community Council should have a presence at the Gala. This seemed to be thought to be a good idea, but no-one volunteered to organise it.

  2. Camper vans had again spent single nights at the turning circle. This was not considered a problem so long as they didn’t create noise or litter.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 25th August 2015 at the Gellet Hall.


 


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 26TH MAY 2015


Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Tommy Cuthbert, Callum MacInnes, Alex Hill, Kat Tebbutt, Rob Thompson, Mandy Littlewood,


In attendance: Cllr Callaghan, Fiona Thompson, Tom Leatherland, Colin and Betty Craig, Craig Lindsay, Shireen Fernie


  1. Apologies: Geoff Cartwright, Trevor Jones, Lesley Scott, Police, Cllr Stewart


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 28th April 2015.

The meeting accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Kat Tebbutt, Seconded: Callum MacInnes.


  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 28th April 2015.

  1. Junction with A985. Villagers had been consulted via email and Facebook as to the effectiveness or otherwise of the electronic signs. There had been over 70 responses. The general view was that the signs had not made much difference. Many said the signs didn’t appear to be working. Secretary had sent the feedback to Transport Scotland and Amey. She had spoken to Marco Bardelli who said they had decided they would do a full week’s camera survey in the near future. Meeting agreed that this should be soon and during term time. Marco had said that the works carried out thus far had been done from the local route budget. Any more work would have to compete for funding on a Scotland-wide basis. It was stated, without attribution, that it was only the 105th busiest junction in Fife. That may be so, but there are unlikely to be many that cause so much stress to drivers. BAE systems may be planning to relocate some of their workforce to Rosyth. It’s not clear whether that would significantly alter the traffic flow at our junction. No move on the painted kerbs or the return of the missing bollard.

  2. Mobile Post Office service. Bill McKissock had alerted the Secretary to the fact that an excellent fibre connection was installed at his property when the PO was still operational. She has passed this information on to the Mobile PO people.

  3. Outdoor Fitness. Kat described the facilities that have been installed at Townhill

  4. Unsuitable for HGVs’ signs. Nothing yet.

  5. Unconventional Gas meetings. Secretary had attended the WFVCC Forum when Andrew Nunn from Cluff spoke. She said it had been very instructive. Rob has put a notice about the meeting on the 9th June in Village Link. He has two confirmed speakers – Donald Campbell from the Broad Alliance, and Prof Andrew Waterston from Stirling University. It was advised that INEOS should be invited, although they probably won’t come!

  6. Inner Forth landscape Initiative Kilns Project. Kathleen reported that agreements about access during and after the works are nearing conclusion.

  7. Cairns Parking. Awaiting John Wilson.

  8. Slabs at Capernaum Court. Secretary has failed to find who did the remedial work.

  9. War memorial. Despite rumours to the contrary, Fife Council do not own the monument itself. Kathleen said the Estate is content to take ownership of it. The only permission required is Listed Building Amendment. Community Council fee rate should apply and CC would pay this if it were to be levied. Cross drains need some remedial work. Estate has a high pressure hose which could be used to clear the drain on the west side.

  10. Local bus service. Secretary had spoken to Scott Blyth. ‘Hail and Ride’ stop by the Sutlery is being piloted from this week. We need to let people know. Secretary will put a notice on the notice boards..

  11. Broadband. Several individuals are attempting to find answers to the conundrum as to why high speed broadband has not been made available to the whole of Limekilns. It seems that, of the four ‘cabinets’ inside the Telephone Exchange building, only Number 2 has not been upgraded. It really seems to be luck of the draw as to which premises have it available. Potential users need to keep making a fuss.

  12. Kiosk Adoption. Process of ‘approval’ by Fife Council is still ongoing.

  13. Airport flight path plans. Malcolm Hamilton had written to the Scottish government seeking more information about the proposal to pilot alterations to the flight path from Edinburgh southwards. The civil servant who replied said it was a reserved matter, and he seemed to have had to ask Edinburgh Airport about their plans. He said, as it was a pilot, it didn’t need an Environmental Assessment or planning permission and that there would be full consultation if it were decided to make it permanent!

  14. Rosyth Churchyard. The fallen tree has been removed and the area inside the Elgin railings has been tidied up. There has been no removal of tree growth or of the broken fence from around the building. Secretary will arrange a meeting with Liz Murphy. She and Jim Macdonald have agreed a combination for the lock on the gate by the turning circle.

  15. 8.15am bus to Dunfermline. Secretary had spoken with Annie about the possibility of getting to Dunfermline on the school bus. Annie had said she would give it a try.

  1. Police Report.

  1. Police had held a Community Engagement Meeting here last evening. It seems that, in future they will hold their Engagement Meetings on the same night as, and preceding, Community Council meetings.

  2. Issues which were raised and discussed last night were: overnight campervans, use of cardboard policeman, rules relating to CCTV installations, Bistro application (see item 5 below).

  3. Secretary had circulated the reply she had received from the chair of Safer Communities Committee about our concerns about the move of the contact centre to Bilston. It is still not clear whether local non-emergency incidents are routed through operators with local knowledge


  1. Bistro, application for Variation to License

  1. The meeting of the Licensing Board had postponed a decision pending a site visit to be held on June 1st. Objectors had submitted photographic evidence of failure to restrict alcohol consumption by wedding guests to the licensee’s premises. They therefore take issue with the Community Council’s view that outdoor alcohol consumption will be managed as effectively as it is in other licensed premises in the village.

  2. The police had stated at the Community Engagement Meeting that they operate a ‘green, amber, red’ system of warnings for any breach of regulations.


  1. Broomhall Estate. Pattiesmuir

  1. The responsibility for future upkeep of the unmade road will be the subject of a meeting between the Factor and representatives of the affected residents. The Estate is still planning to build houses. A meeting to which all residents are invited has yet to be held.

  2. Hogweed is bad at Aberlyn. It is being sprayed ‘as we speak’..

  3. Big article in the Dunfermline Press about ‘Broomhall Development’ was not initiated by either the Estate or Stirling Developments! There is, in fact no news beyond the fact that it is in the Local Plan as a ‘Strategic Land Allocation’


  1. Community Engagement Group.

  1. The village diary non-edit link http://teamup.com/ks2d7841cb0be65458/ will be sent out through the email list and Facebook. Secretary will ask if anyone else would like the edit facility.

  2. Design and wording of questionnaire for Village Link has been agreed. Mandy has produced an on-line version which will be circulated after publication of village Link



  1. Treasurer’s Report.

  1. Balances: CC BoS £791.55; CC Nationwide £1717.52; Residents for Responsible Development £1072.66..

 

  1. Secretary’s Report

Secretary had received information about a new Facebook page for Scottish Community Councillors: https://www.facebook.com/groups/Scotlands.community.councillors.chewin.the.fat/?fref=ts


  1. Councillor

Cllr Callaghan had nothing to add


  1. AOCB

  1. There is a move to introduce a bill in the Scottish Parliament to ban parking on footways. Such a measure would mean that it would be virtually impossible for traffic to move along roads such a Brucehaven Road!

  2. Secretary had been asked to find out why some pupils living on Charlestown Green get free transport to Limekilns School and some do not. It’s because some of North row is more than a mile from the school and all of South Row is less than a mile.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 30th June 2015 at the Gellet Hall.


 


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 28th APRIL 2015


Present: Sue Hamilton, Peter Curry, Alex Hill, Trevor Jones, Mandy Littlewood, Geoff Cartwright, Callum MacInnes, Lesley Scott, Kat Tebbutt, Rob Thompson, Suze Anderson


  1. In attendance: Cllr Callaghan, PC Kirsty Orrock, PC Ian Moffat, Fiona Thompson, Evelyn Jones, Tom Leatherland, Doreen Kempsell


  1. Apologies: Tommy Cuthbert, Annie Nally, Cllr Stewart, Colin and Betty Craig


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 31st March 2015.

Item 9(g) was amended to record that the Factor had agreed to arrange a meeting with the affected residents. The meeting then accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Lesley Scott, Seconded: Kat Tebbutt,


  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 31st March 2015

  1. Junction with A985. Electronic signs have been up for a month. Many views were voiced in the meeting about the fact that the signs on the junction had not made much difference. Meeting agreed to ask villagers via email and Facebook how well the measures are working. No move on the painted kerbs or the return of the missing bollard.

  2. Request for ramps for skate-park etc. Investigations ongoing.

  3. Gate latch at Rosyth Churchyard. New one installed this week!

  4. Mobile Post Office service. Secretary has sourced a poster for the noticeboard. She tried to get BT and the GPO to talk sense to each other but to no avail. She arranged a meeting with David Gray of 1 The Promenade and Brian Turnbull, GPO ‘change manager’ to discuss alternative locations to site the vital box, which is currently attached to the inaccessible telegraph pole in the lane between The Prom and Main Street. The obvious location would be to attach it (glue?) to the back of the telephone kiosk. If we were to adopt it, then BT couldn’t object. Secretary has made an initial expression of interest in the adoption of the box by the community. In the meantime, Brian will enquire of BT what would be involved in attaching the box to a wall at 1 The Promenade.

  5. Planning Democracy conference was an excellent event. Lots of good networking opportunities and a big thrust to the campaign for Equal Rights of Appeal.

  6. Outdoor Fitness. Investigations ongoing.

  7. Merryhill Bridge. Scott Blyth cannot identify no appropriate location for ‘unsuitable for HGVs’ signs west of The Elgin (which is really too far in advance). He will talk to Amey about putting a sign on the main road. At Pattiesmuir, he will ask them for a ‘No through road’ sign.

  8. Unconventional Gas meetings. Secretary had circulated information about Ineos ‘consultation’ events. No-one has attended one yet. She also circulated the notice of the WFVCC Forum this Thursday, when Andrew Nunn from Cluff will speak. Rob suggests the 9th June as the best date for an information meeting in the Queen’s Hall. He is contacting speakers, and will put the provisional date in the on-line diary.

  9. Inner Forth landscape Initiative Kilns Project. No update.

  10. Cairns Parking. John Wilson now busy farming, but will keep in touch about when he identifies a date when men and machines are available. The Green is in a better state now it has dried out a bit.

  11. Slabs at Capernaum Court. Secretary still trying to establish who did the work so that the remaining slightly raised slab is sorted.

  12. Community Payback. Posts at Limekilns Pier car park have been renewed and the minister’s garage given a once-over. Our letter of thanks from the Community Council had been published in the Dunfermline Press.

  13. War memorial. Rob reported that grass seed has been planted. The additional drain will be dug to direct water from the new cross-drains to the soak-away. The model for the bas-relief sword is being produced. Secretary mentioned that a group of individuals is carrying out research on the men who are named on the war memorial. Craig Lindsay is also compiling a photo story of the production of the new sword.

  14. Local bus service. Secretary had spoken to Scott Blyth. He thinks it would be preferable to have a ‘Hail and Ride’ stop by the Sutlery, rather than moving any bus stops. This still leaves a long walk from the Elgin, but maybe the driver can be asked to put folk down a bit nearer the shop.

  15. Sutlery. Secretary had spoken with Janice. There has been some interest, but no real prospect of a sale. Secretary asked that, if Janice and Jimmy found they were no longer able to carry on, they would let us know in good time, so that the community could decide whether it was minded to run a community shop.

  16. Boundary Commission. Secretary had tried to discover more. Public consultation on proposed new boundaries is only planned at the very end of the process. Saline is particularly exercised by the proposal that they be put into a ward with Kelty – with which they have no connection at all. From the proposals map published in the Press, Secretary had an impression that Charlestown and Limekilns would be split. This is not the case. Currently the proposal is to ‘move’ both our villages in with Rosyth. (There was a suggestion that, if Crombie is in a different ward from Limekilns, it might be difficult to deal with issues raised by Crombie parents concerning Limekilns school.)


  1. Police Report. (Taken before matters arising)

  1. PC Kirsty Orrock, reported the small number of calls each from Limekilns and Charlestown in the past month. One call had been about a grenade found on The Run at Charlestown! No crimes had been recorded.

  2. (Secretary omitted to report that she had, as suggested by Cllr Callaghan, written to the chair of Safer Communities Committee, about our concerns about the move of the contact centre to Bilston, but had yet to receive a response.)

  3. The cardboard cop is being deployed around the area for no more than 2 hours at a time.

  1. Bistro, application for Variation to License

  1. It is understood that the immediate neighbours have made representations to the licensing authority. None of them are in attendance this evening, and only one has copied their objection to the secretary.

  2. The application, if granted, would bring the Bistro into parity with The Bruce and The Ship.

  3. Meeting agreed, proposed by Lesley, seconded by Geoff, that we are not minded to object and anticipate that the premises will be self-policing in the manner exercised by other licensed premises in the villages. Secretary will write to licensing.


  1. Broomhall Estate. Pattiesmuir

  1. Geoff Cartwright was delighted to report that, although the promised meeting had yet to happen, action has been taken by the Estate, specifically Jim McDonald, to grade the surface and deal with some of the drainage levels. Some further work is to be carried out, and thereafter the respective responsibilities of residents and Estate for future maintenance will be established. Coincidentally, Fife Council have done some repair work on corner by the College and on the lane past the Piggery as part of the cycle network.

  2. Application has been submitted for conversion of Charlestown old school building to flats. The Community Council welcomed the proposal.

  3. Work to be carried out at Rosyth Churchyard will need vehicular access. Secretary progressing the issue of gate padlock with Factor.


  1. Rosyth Churchyard

  1. Secretary had met on site with David Simpson, Rory McDonald of Historic Scotland and ‘Mitch’ of Bereavement Services. It was agreed that the tree growth around the church walls was likely to compromise the structure, and that the saplings should be removed. Mitch said that he could arrange this. We also agreed that the broken down fence should be removed and that Mitch would also deal with the tree that has fallen into the churchyard.


  1. Community Engagement Group.

  1. The village diary non-edit link is http://teamup.com/ks2d7841cb0be65458/. Secretary to ask through email list if anyone else would like the edit facility.

  2. Mandy will draft a short questionnaire for Village Link (deadline 17th May), and circulate it to members for approval.

  3. Anne Marsh had emailed the Secretary this morning to ask if we could speak to a class about how the Community Council make decisions. Meeting agreed we would be happy to do this if we could find dates that suited.


  1. BT Adopt a Kiosk Scheme

  1. Several suggestions have been made as to how our kiosks might be used if we adopted them. They could be local geography and history information points with a different emphasis for each village. They could be like the ‘empty plinth’ in Trafalgar Square with different village organisations taking it in turns to use them for their purposes. They could be book exchange points – as in Cleish. Or they could be community defibrillator points. There was extensive consideration of the latter. However, it seems that if they are to be worthwhile (the initial cost, maintenance cost, and eventual replacement cost) then there needs to be a fair chance that they would be used to save a life or two. In general, they tend to be located in places where there is high footfall over an extended period – like supermarkets and busy stations. (The more people you have, the more likely there is that someone will have a cardiac arrest.) Defibrillators can also be located in isolated communities where ambulance response times can be long. In the case of our villages, Charlestown and Limekilns are treated as ‘urban’ and have a 9 minute emergency response time while Pattiesmuir is treated as ‘rural’ and subject to a longer response time. (This 18 minute response time is also the case for villages in the East Neuk, where there are a number of community defibrillators.)


  1. Treasurer’s Report.

  1. Kat, Suze, and Sue have met to plan hand over of Treasurer responsibilities and completion of forms for change of signatories.

  2. Balances: CC BoS £791.55; CC Nationwide £1717.52; Residents for Responsible Development £1072.66.

  3. In answer to a question about the derisory interest rates, Treasurer explained that, whatever the bank, ‘Treasurer’ accounts which do not incur bank charges and which can have multiple signatories have very low interest rates.

  4. Annual accounts are now complete and have been reviewed by Sam Burton.

  5. Fife Council grant application form received by Secretary, passed to Treasurer.

 

  1. Secretary’s Report

  1. High speed broad band. Chairman explained some of the history of the arrival of broadband. It seems that there is a discontinuity in Limekilns, with some properties (apparently those connected to ‘cabinets 1 and 4’ in the exchange) having high speed broadband, while others (connected to cabinets 2 and 3) do not. Secretary will write to BT, but it would probably be more effective if the individuals who need it wrote to BT themselves, or possibly contacted OFCOM.

  2. Annie Nally has written to the secretary tendering her resignation from the Community Council since she doesn’t feel that we have given sufficient support to her efforts to achieve a better bus service for the villages. Secretary read her letter which asks that we write to Stagecoach in order to get the 8.40am bus restored in term time. It was pointed out that there is, in fact, a bus that leaves the village at 8.15am. This is the Rennies bus to Woodmill School and is, (clarified by Secretary post meeting) apparently, available to everyone. Secretary will write a letter of thanks to Annie for her commitment and enthusiasm as a member of the Community Council.

  3. Mailing from Bill Welsh of Fife Council. Contained two copies of the Community Council information pack (Lesley took one to read); a list of our elected Community Councillors checked for having signed a Declaration of Acceptance; our grant application form; and a useful grid of local managers for various services. We are also asked what training Community Councillors would like. No members mentioned any pressing need.


  1. Councillors

Cllr Callaghan understands that Charlestown street lighting installation is to happen this month. Callum confirmed that the positions of new columns had been marked and that residents had received letters confirming that the works would take place in May.


  1. AOCB

  1. It was announced on the news this evening that there are plans to test a revised flight path for planes taking off from Edinburgh and heading south. After taking off in a westerly direction, they will turn north until they cross the shore of the Forth at Blackness, and thereafter climb eastwards along the Forth until they turn south over Musselburgh. These flights will start on June 25th. Our lives may become noisier.

  2. Situation with Crombie and Charlestown children each being provided with a different school bus is very odd. Why can’t they be served by just one bus?


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 26th May 2015 at the Gellet Hall. AGM at 7.30pm, followed by an ordinary meeting at approximately 7.50pm.




 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 31ST MARCH 2015


Present: Sue Hamilton, Geoff Cartwright, Tommy Cuthbert, Callum MacInnes, Lesley Scott, Kat Tebbutt, Rob Thompson


  1. In attendance: Cllr Callaghan, Charlie Reid Thomas, Mike Brockie, Fiona Thompson, Evelyn Jones, Lorna Wilkie, Phillip Heaton, John Haxton, Tom Leatherland, Malcolm Hamilton, Bob and Irene Ferguson, Colin and Betty Craig, Doreen Kempsell


  1. Apologies: Peter Curry, Alex Hill, Trevor Jones, Mandy Littlewood, PC Kirsty Orrock


  1. In the absence of both the Chairman and Vice Chairman, Cllr Callaghan opened the meeting by asking for a volunteer to take the chair. Geoff Cartwright volunteered, and the meeting accepted his offer.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 24th February 2015.

  1. Rob Thompson wished it recorded at 4(a) that he and the Secretary would arrange to meet ‘to discuss the War Memorial’. Minutes were amended accordingly. Rob proposed a number of further amendments. Meeting agreed that action to investigate community council constitution was not placed on Rob. Other items were discussed at some length, but the meeting majority agreed that further amendments were not necessary.

  2. The meeting then accepted the minutes as a true record. Proposed: Lesley Scott,. Seconded: Kat Tebbutt,


  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 24th February 2015

  1. Junction with A985. Electronic signs are being erected this week. No move on the painted kerbs or the return of the missing bollard.

  2. Request for ramps for skate-park etc. Investigations ongoing.

  3. Gates at Telephone Exchange. Magnificent new gates installed. They are sometimes locked, and sometimes not.

  4. Gate latch at Rosyth Churchyard. No new latch yet

  5. Mobile Post Office service. Started on Thursday 19th, as promised. Location on the Prom is less than ideal, causing complaints from residents, a hazard to other traffic, and has its cable trailing across the footway and driveways. Secretary will speak to the ‘Change Manager’ again. Members observed that the service doesn’t seem to have been very well publicised. Only some people have had letters telling them about it. Secretary will ask again for posters

  6. Planning Democracy campaigns for more justice in the planning system. Its next conference is in Glasgow on 25th April. Secretary has details.

  7. Outdoor Fitness. Kat has been looking at what would be available for under £10,000 (the small grant limit for FET, which only requires 10% match funding). Suggested location would be beside Limekilns play park. Charlestown must be kept in mind too!

  8. Purple pipes sticking out of Charlestown pavements are ducts for installing wires when new street lights are installed. They were put in when the road was surfaced a year ago. They have now been buried until they are needed.

  9. Merryhill Bridge. Scott Blyth will erect ‘unsuitable for HGVs’ signs at the main road junction and at the corner near the cricket pitch. Geoff asked for a similar sign at Pattiesmuir road end, where there is a regular problem with HGVs getting misled by their Sat Navs!

  10. Constitution. Enquiries so far indicate that only three (of approximately 100) community councils in Fife have a constitution which differs from the Fife standard model. There was a time when applications to Fife Environment Trust required specific wording, but this is no longer the case.

  11. Unconventional Gas meetings. CC had received no information about the time and date for the Kincardine meeting which was mainly about underground coal gasification. Fiona Thompson had attended, and had heard some ‘quite frightening’ things. The meeting was well attended with speakers from Friends of the Earth and Maria Montinaro from California Community Council. Ineos and Cluff were not present but sent statements. Ineos is organising a number of ‘consultation’ events, but none are in Fife. Rob suggested that we arrange a meeting in the villages to ensure our community is well-informed. He would be happy to arrange it. Queen’s Hall would be a suitable venue. Sooner rather than later. Perhaps May. Fiona got the impression that things were going on behind the scenes, so time is probably of the essence. It should be purely an information meeting. Secretary could give Rob contact details for speakers. Secretary said the WEA had arranged a showing of ‘Gaslands 2’ but had not publicised it very well!

  12. Inner Forth landscape Initiative Kilns Project. The Factor reported that the offer of funding for the project has been made to the Estate. Final details are being clarified. IFLI is running two introductory archaeology events in Clackmannan next week


  1. Police Report.

  1. PC Kirsty Orrock, while not present had submitted a written reported which stated that there had been one call each from Limekilns and Charlestown in the past month, with one crime of theft recorded.

  2. There had been a community engagement meeting in the Gellet Hall last Monday. It was poorly attended. Secretary had not been sent a notice and few members of the public seemed to know about it! There is a suggestion that, to give Community Engagement meetings a regular date, they may in future be held an hour (or half an hour) before CC meetings. Meeting agreed that they had no problem with this, while presuming that it would not be every month, since there are other CCs meeting on the same night.

  3. There are concerns about the move of the 101 service from Glenrothes to Bilston. Doreen reported that they seemed to have little clue as to where Limekilns was.

  4. PC Orrock had told the Secretary that cops on the move can no longer be sent emails via Airwave, and that they have to return to base to receive emails. She had suggested that this is a huge inconvenience. Cllr Callaghan suggested that we write about our concerns to the chair of Safer Communities Committee.

  1. Bistro, application for Variation to License

  1. Secretary had, today received notice of this application. Currently, the license allows alcohol to be consumed outside until eight o’clock, as long as it is served with food. The variation applied for is to allow alcohol to be served outside, not necessarily with food, until midnight. This is a different proposition and may be unacceptable to neighbours.

  2. We should check how the outside license works for The Bruce and The Ship.

  3. Police are consulted when there is an application for a variation.


  1. Parking at The Cairns.

  1. Lorna Wilkie and Phillip Heaton, residents of the Cairns were in attendance to hear what work is planned. The main issue is for bin lorries to be able to negotiate the curve, even when there are parked cars. The proposal is to dig a trench 1m wide inside the existing Grasscrete, and fill it with hard core, with a final layer of red shale chips.

  2. Residents did not want to see more parking encouraged on the Green. The expenditure on the unnecessary tarmac path is still seen as a waste of money.

  3. Lynn Hoey had suggested to the Secretary that locality Budget funds (£2227.20 as per John Wilson’s proposal) could be made available if the project involved a partnership between the Community Council, Fife Council and Community Payback. Secretary had applied to the Housing Manager on this basis and the amount had been approved.

  4. Secretary had brought to the meeting, samples of the materials which John Wilson proposes to use. Geoff said that a smaller size of demolition waste had not been a success for filling pot holes on Pattiesmuir’s unmade road. However, the samples provided are of a larger grade, and, in this case will be packed down to fill a trench and not ground down to cement slurry as had happened in Pattiesmuir.

  5. Secretary will contact John Wilson about a starting date. Residents will be informed what the work will involve and how long it is likely to take.




  1. Slabs at Capernaum Court

  1. Community Council minutes of May June and September 2014, record our efforts to have the slabs at Capernaum Court re-laid, after four people had tripped and fallen. Fife Council denied responsibility and nothing was done.

  2. In early March, this year, a lady tripped and broke her nose and glasses and cracked three ribs. She has approached her lawyer about seeking compensation.

  3. The slabs have now been re-laid, but no one is admitting to have done it. One slab is slightly raised and still needs attention.


  1. Broomhall Estate. Pattiesmuir

  1. Geoff Cartwright, speaking for residents said the unmade road is worse than it has ever been.

  2. He said that residents are trying hard to get a solution, but hear nothing from the Estate.

  3. Factor says the Estate is waiting for better weather to apply tarmac planings.

  4. Estate thinks that the long-term solution is housing development. Residents want the matter of the road to be not linked to development.

  5. One Pattiesmuir resident has a letter from the Estate, dated 2006, saying that if planning permission was not granted for a development proposed at that time, a one-off payment of £2000 to repair the road would be made. This evidently never happened. Factor stated that the letter has been taken out of context.

  6. Factor asserted that responsibility lies with householders. Individuals are currently examining their deeds. Some deeds refer to the lane as a ‘public road’.

  7. Essential now that residents or their representative sit down with the Factor to seek a long-term resolution.

  8. It was suggested by the Chair that it would probably not be in the Estate’s interest if there were to be another ‘media storm’. Elderly couple in the last cottage are now both very vulnerable, and access to and from their home is vital.


  1. Community payback

  1. Substantial work had been carried out at the War Memorial. Three drains had been dug across the path and drain piping installed. The tarmac at the eastern end of the site has been broken up and a soakaway provided. Pooling should no longer happen. There had been a huge downpour last night. Secretary had visited the site immediately after it stopped. There was no water running down the east side.

  2. In the bus shelter (The ‘Snug’), one new seat is being made from what was reclaimable from the two existing ones. It will be in place shortly.

  3. Vegetation on the A985, which had previously been cut back, has been removed from the field.

  4. Car park behind the church has been cleared of brambles and sapling growth. The minister’s garage is to be refurbished.

  5. Secretary had asked Clive how the good work done could be acknowledged, so that the ‘clients’ recognised the value of the work they were doing. He suggested writing to the local paper. Meeting approved a draft letter read by the Secretary. It will be sent to the Press and The Courier.

  6. Annie Nally and Geoff Cartwright had, separately, asked if the path round the plantation on the Bell Hills could be cleared. Clive will have a look. He had suggested to the Secretary that this is not the best time of year to clear brambles, since the shoots think they are being pruned and, as a result, put on rapid growth. Late autumn is the better time.


  1. Beach Clean

  1. We had another great beach clean. About 40 people turned out on a blustery day.

  2. Someone had nominated the organisers of our community Beach Clean for a Keep Scotland Beautiful ‘Clean-up Hero of the Month’ award. The award was presented by Cllr Callaghan to Kat Corbett who had organised the clean-up event on behalf of the Floral Displays Group and the Community Council.

  3. Kat holds relevant telephone numbers in the event of a pollution incident affecting our beaches.


  1. Community Engagement Group.

  1. An on-line village diary has been established and an editable link sent to village organisations. When they have got the hang of this shared diary, Mandy will issue a non-edit link for information on the CC website and the ‘Limekilns for Sale and Wanted site’. She’ll also print off the diary each month for the noticeboards. The non-edit link is http://teamup.com/ks2d7841cb0be65458/. Anyone else who would like the edit facility, please let us know.

  2. We have asked the editor of Village Link if we could have a pull-out centre page which would have the diary on one side and a questionnaire on the other to seek community feedback on the work of the Community Council. Meeting agreed a payment of £50 for this facility.

  1. War memorial.

  1. The Sword. The forge is standing by to begin casting. It is not essential that we spend the appropriate % of the Fife Council grant, as long as it is tied to specific projects in the near future.

  2. Rob has received verbal approval of the application to the War Memorials Centenary Fund and expects a written confirmation this week).


  1. BT Adopt a Kiosk Scheme relaunched.

  1. Both our telephone kiosks are ‘listed’ by Historic Scotland, and so cannot be removed.

  2. BT is offering them for adoption by communities at £1 each.

  3. They will remove the telephone apparatus, but leave the electricity supply (and pay for it) if we ask them to.

  4. Some members expressed reluctance to take on such a project, and there were no immediate thoughts as to appropriate use. It was agreed that all should think creatively about possible uses. Secretary will ask Anne Marsh if we could involve the school children.

  5. Secretary will enquire of Historic Scotland as to any knowledge they have of kiosks being adopted elsewhere.


  1. Treasurer’s Report.

  1. No report this month. Suze has been unwell.

  2. Meeting still to be held to hand over Treasurer responsibilities.

  3. A new mandate will be completed with the new signatories.

 

  1. Secretary’s Report

  1. Limekilns Church is holding a series of meetings called ‘Future Focus’ on 21st April, 5th May and 16th May. The church building is big and prominent within the villages, but the church is more than a building, and it’s important that it works for the and with the whole community. All are invited to these meetings to discuss the role of the church in our community.

  2. A resident was concerned that we don’t have fibre broadband. Yes we do. Ask your provider.

  3. The community noticeboards have been given some TLC and the locking mechanism now works much more smoothly.

  4. Rosyth Churchyard. At the last Gellet Society meeting, David Simpson, a historian who was raised in Charlestown, spoke about his theory that the site of Rosyth Churchyard, may well have been a very important link for the monks from Abercorn in their mission to the Picts (who, at that time, occupied all the lands north of the Forth). The site may have a far longer history than previously thought. He expressed his concern about the growth of saplings and other vegetation which was threatening the integrity of the surviving walls. He hoped that he might recruit some volunteers to do some maintenance. Secretary has long-held concerns about the vegetation and the collapsed wooden fence which now serves no purpose. She is arranging a meeting between David Simpson, Rory McDonald of Historic Scotland, and Fife Council Bereavement Services to see what can be done.

  5. Sutlery shop business. Janice and Jimmy had high hopes of a buyer with whom they have been dealing for the past several months. This sale has now fallen through. We have previously spoken of a feasibility study for a community shop. Charlie Stoddart from the church had useful dialogue with the Plunkett foundation which provides advice for community enterprises. Secretary will speak to Janice to gauge what her and Jimmy’s feelings now are about future prospects.


  1. Councillors

  1. The Local Government Boundary Commission is reviewing ward boundaries. There is a possibility that ‘Limekilns’ could be moved in with Rosyth. There is, apparently, a consultation in progress. Secretary has not heard. She will enquire.

  2. Cllr Callaghan said she was delighted to have been invited to present the award for our community beach clean efforts.


  1. AOCB

  1. Mrs Kempsell raised the issue of the unkempt state of the enclosed area of Rosyth Churchyard which is apparently reserved for the Elgin family. The Factor will investigate.

  2. A tree has fallen into the churchyard. Secretary will alert Bereavement Services.

  3. Local bus service. Lesley told the meeting that a number of people take the bus to Charlestown in order to shop at the Sutlery. They do so in anticipation that they can get back on the same bus as it comes back from Crombie. The walk from the bus stop at the Elgin makes this something of a challenge for less mobile individuals. Is there a chance that the bus stop could be moved? Secretary will enquire. Cllr Callaghan has a meeting arranged about a bus stop in High Valleyfield, so she’ll get them to look at Charlestown too.

  4. West Fife Villages Community Council Forum. Secretary and Tommy agreed that it was taking a long time for Tommy to be put on the circulation list. By the time he gets on to it, we might all have moved to Rosyth, (see item 18 above)!

  5. Lorna from The Cairns asked the Factor about tree felling operations in the woods opposite The Cairns. He said he would phone her with dates.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 28th April 2015 at the Gellet Hall.



 




 

 

 

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