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CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 24th FEBRUARY 2015


Present: Sue Hamilton, Alex Hill, Geoff Cartwright, Trevor Jones, Mandy Littlewood, Callum MacInnes, Lesley Scott, Kat Tebbutt, Rob Thompson


  1. In attendance: Cllr Callaghan, Cllr Stuart, PC Kirsty Orrock, PC Ian Moffat, Mike Brockie, Fiona Thompson, Evelyn Jones, Moira Adams, Kirsty Ballantyne, Scott Lockhart


  1. Apologies: Peter Curry, Tommy Cuthbert, Annie Nally, Suze Anderson, Doreen Kempsell

  2. In the Chairman’s absence, Alex Hill chaired the meeting.

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  1. Minutes of the meeting of 27th January 2015.

  1. Rob Thompson wished it recorded at 8(a) that he and the Secretary would arrange to meet ’to discuss War Memorial funding’.

  2. After amendment to this effect, the minutes were accepted as a true record. Proposed: Callum MacInnes. Seconded: Kat Tebbutt,


  1. Matters Arising from meeting of 27th January 2015

  1. Junction with A985. Little communication achieved. No move on the painted kerbs or the return of the missing bollard. Technical visit to plan the electronic signs will happen this week. Vegetation on the north side of the A985 between the Limekilns and the Pattiesmuir junctions has been cut back by Community Payback, working from the field with the permission of John Hutcheson.

  2. Parking at The Cairns. Secretary had spoken with Clive about possibly filling in the holes in the grass. Advice from John Wilson (Waulkmill) was that any fill would be churned into the mud. John had suggested that soil needs to be removed from a trench which should be lined and filled with clean aggregate. This may be a more achievable solution than Grasscrete. John has provided a quote of £1856 + VAT (£2227.20). Meeting agreed that Secretary would speak with Lynn Hoey about whether this could be carried out in place of Grasscrete. Rob asserted that we would need three quotes. Secretary would check with Lynn. Callum requested that we be given more information about the materials to be used. Secretary will follow this up.

  3. Request for ramps for skate-park etc. Investigations ongoing.

  4. Gates at Telephone Exchange. New gates are being made, and are currently being galvanized.

  5. Gate latch at Rosyth Churchyard. Secretary had received word today that a ‘line will be sent to the blacksmith’ for a proper latch to be made.

  6. Mobile Post Office service. No news.

  7. Charlestown street lighting. Sense has prevailed and Lochaber and Hall Row have been added to the list of streets excepted from the plan to install modern columns.

  8. Beechgrove application. Unsuccessful this year. Floral Display Group will find out more about the applications which were short listed.

  9. Planning Democracy conference to be held in Glasgow on 25th April. Most planning conferences take a planner/developer perspective. This conference considers planning from a community perspective.

  10. Road surface at the Loanheads. Has been reported again, but officers say it’s not bad enough to merit attention.


  1. Police Report.

  1. PC Kirsty Orrock was in attendance with a colleague. There had been only one call from Limekilns and two from Charlestown in the past month, all three being minor incidents.

  2. Trevor reported that his CCTV had detected people interfering with his vehicle. He had called 101 and a response team had attended.


  1. Secretary’s possible breach of Data protection legislation.

  1. Secretary read a statement stating that she had given the email address and telephone number of a member of the Community Council to an individual who wanted to contact him. She apologised if she had acted against the spirit of Data Protection legislation.


  1. Broomhall Estate. Pattiesmuir

  1. No-one from the Estate was in attendance.

  2. Geoff Cartwight referred to a letter which has been sent to the Estate by the residents of Pattiesmuir whose only access is the unmade road. Quite apart from the damage being done to vehicles, there is now particular concern about the vulnerability of an elderly couple who have to be transported to hospital appointments and who have carers going in four times a day. Residents are exasperated at the total absence of maintenance of this essential access. The letter states that if nothing is done within a month, residents will have, once again to resort to media exposure.

  3. Cllr Callaghan cited an equivalent situation with an unmade road in Kincardine. (She added, incidentally, that it is important that, if and when a planning application is lodged, people submit any objections in writing. If there are more than 5 objections, it has to be considered by councillors on the Planning Committee and not just dealt with by officers.)


  1. Inner Forth Landscape Initiative. Proposals for the kilns

  1. Rory McDonald of Historic Scotland and Kirsty McAlister of IFLI brought various people to a site meeting at the kilns last Thursday. There was a structural expert, some archaeologists, and some IFLI ‘landscape trainees’. Rory explained that he was also representing Broomhall Estate at that meeting. Clive Allan was in attendance as was the Secretary. The site and the proposals were described to those in attendance. Rory hoped that work might get underway in March. For Health and Safety reasons, the site will be enclosed by secure industrial fencing for the period of the works – which are likely to last a year or more. There is still some contractual paperwork to be signed off with the Estate

  2. The archaeologists, in particular, expressed an enthusiasm for working with local people on some of the ‘digging’.

  3. Community Payback had done a great job in clearing the buddleia and brambles from in front of the publicly-accessible kiln and had painted the posts and the support for the information board. After Clive had spoken to Rory, they had also made a substantial start on clearing vegetation form in front of the other kilns.


  1. War memorial.

  1. Clive’s footpath squad is otherwise engaged just now. He’ll keep in touch with Rob.

  2. The Sword. Costs and security issues make it preferable to form the sword as a bas relief bronze to be attached securely to the stone pillar. The first quotation is for £3200.

  3. The War Memorials Trust has approved the pre-application submission and is likely to approve make a grant of 75%. Full application to go in this week.

  4. The Community Council agreed to contribute £500.

  5. Matthew Price and a John Wylie of Fife Council suggested that planning permission would be required, but is likely to be granted.

  6. British Legion are supportive as is Historic Scotland.

  7. Secretary had received two copies of ‘The Repair and Maintenance of War Memorials’ published by Historic Scotland. She had passed one on to Rob.


  1. Community Payback

  1. A report (See Annex 1) had been circulated to members in advance of the meeting: The meeting agreed to the Secretary’s proposal that we pay the cost of materials necessary for refurbishing the seats in the old bus shelter on the Prom (£59.49 estimate). Secretary would check with Clive whether the work would include all necessary making good of the woodwork before it was painted.




  1. Treasurer’s Report.

  1. Only Kat had mentioned accountancy experience in her member information. She was nominated by Alex and seconded by Lesley. There were no other nominations. Kat Tebbutt was elected as Treasurer to replace Suze Anderson who, sadly, plans to move from this area.

  2. A new mandate will be completed with the new signatories.

  3. Balances are as follows: BoS £958.09; Nationwide account £1712.87; RFRD £1072.56.

  4. Data protection registration has been paid

  5. Expenditure of Fife Council grant. With the agreed expenditure on the War Memorial and the bus shelter, together with our regular outgoings, more than 80% of the grant for 2014/15 will have been spent.
     

  1. Secretary’s Report

  1. Rebecca Cairns who is also associated with IFLI contacted us to encourage community involvement in Coastal Wildlife recording (Scottish Shell survey, Seaweeds, and plastic pellets). Secretary had suggested that the Beach Clean was not the best time for recording, but there probably was local interest. She had mentioned it to Anne Marsh who is happy to be kept in the loop.

  2. Neighbour planning issue. Secretary had been approached to support one party in a neighbour dispute. Members had been consulted and agreed that it was not appropriate for the Community Council to take sides in such situations.

  3. Outdoor fitness equipment. Secretary had a brochure for the sort of kit that encourages adults to engage in exercise outdoors. Kat had explored possible options when Commonwealth Games legacy funding was going to be available. Cllr Stewart said that Carnock has installed similar equipment in their park and that Kincardine were considering it. Both these CCs might be able to provide helpful information.


  1. Councillors

  1. Cllr Callaghan had mentioned the state of West Road to Transportation. Secretary suggested there was a greater problem at the edge of the road at the speed humps opposite the Green

  2. Cllr Stewart said that there was to be a public meeting in Kincardine on the matter of Underground Coal Gasification. This (largely unproved) process has not been included in the Scottish Government moratorium on unconventional gas.

  3. Cllr Stewart has involvement with work on the war memorial at Carnock.

  4. She reminded us that there are to be extensive road works on Kincardine Bridge. These could involve peak hour delays.

  5. Cllr Stewart now sits on the board of Fife and Forth Valley Community Justice Authority. (See Annex 2)

  6. Both councillors agreed that Care of Older People is failing some clients because the pressure of numbers and restricted budget. Fife Council is devolving some services to the Third Sector.

  7. Councillor Stewart reported that a Community Education Worker, has been appointed to a post in West Fife with a particular focus on welfare issues, including transport. Secretary said it would be useful for her to be introduced to Annie Nally. (See Annex 3)


  1. AOCB

  1. The next beach clean will be on 28th March. Kat has contacted the relevant agencies.

  2. Again there has been a serious incident of a lorry getting stuck on Merryhill Bridge. The holdup was for about 30 minutes. Secretary has already requested signage for restricted length of vehicles. She will repeat her request.

  3. Rob reported Gala dates are fixed and the committee is looking forward to putting them in the on-line village diary. Gala Week is from 8th – 15th August. The door to door collection will be between 18th May and 1st June.

  4. Rob suggested we might review the Community Council constitution. Others suggested there would only be value in such an exercise if any clause in the constitution currently restricts the activity of the Community Council. Rob will review the constitution of a selection of other Community Councils. Other WFVCCF members might provide this information.

  5. Callum asked if anyone knew the purpose/origin of the purple pipes sticking up out of the pavements in Charlestown. Cllr Callaghan will enquire.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 31st March 2015 at the Gellet Hall.



Annex 1: Report on Community Payback

At our last meeting, Clive Allan was in attendance to discuss what his ‘team’ could contribute to drainage works at the War Memorial. Community Payback has 16 supervisors each with a squad of six in action all over Fife. Supervisors also work weekend shifts. Task allocation is dependent on the calibre and skills of the available offenders and on the availability of supervisors with the necessary experience of the work involved. Clive couldn’t promise when a path squad would be available. However, he was listening carefully to other things that were discussed at the meeting – in particular the vegetation on the A985 and the scrub clearance at the kilns.

The next day, he had visited the kilns and contacted me to say just how the scrub clearing job would be their sort of job. I advised that he had to rein in his enthusiasm since there were issues of Health and Safety and of Conservation. I spoke to Rory Macdonald and left a message with the Estate about the opportunity that seemed to be presented. Rory spoke to Clive and explained what could and couldn’t be done at this stage. Scrub clearing has continued to great effect. They’ve also done a thorough litter pick at the Ballast Bank and cleared vegetation to open up the paths there.

I contacted Amey about the A985 vegetation, and they made it so complicated getting access from the road that I spoke to John Hutcheson, the farmer. He gave the go-ahead and said the forecast was for frost for several days, so driving on the field would be fine. It wasn’t. The weather got warmer and the vehicle got bogged down, so some of the branches have still to be uplifted.

I showed Clive a number of possible projects in the villages. In addition to some path works at Lime Brae, we looked at the path beside the railway from West Harbour to the Lyn Burn. We looked at work needed at the cricket pavilion. We looked at the swampy parking at the Cairns. We looked at the old bus shelter on the Prom. We looked at renewing the posts at the car park on Limekilns Pier. We looked at the gabion project that Cruising Club is undertaking at Capernaum. He agreed there was plenty to be getting on with. We would need to provide the materials for the bus shelter. I have priced these from the Dulux store in Kirkcaldy. The cost to us would be £59.49. It seems unlikely that Fife Council would ever see fit to carry out this work, so I propose that we purchase the necessary materials.


Annex 2: Fife and Forth Valley Community Justice Authority?

FFVCJA aims to reduce the numbers of remands and promote the use of community based disposal as an alternative to short prison sentences; Improve the credibility of community based sentences; Promote partnership working across the CJA partner bodies; Manage and target our resources to improve efficiency and cost effectiveness; Engage more effectively with our communities.)


Annex 3: New Community Education Worker

Lynn Hoey adds that: Aileen Aitken’s overall remit is financial inclusion. She is looking at access to, and possible setting up of, a credit union, and how people with no transport and with limited means can access health, employment support and other services. It is more likely that transport support would be by way of an organised network of volunteer drivers, rather than any dedicated vehicle.


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 27th JANUARY 2015


Present: Peter Curry, Sue Hamilton, Trevor Jones, Callum MacInnes, Mandy Littlewood, Kat Tebbutt, Rob Thompson


  1. In attendance: Cllr Callaghan, Kathleen Kirkpatrick, Ian Cruikshanks, Catharine Idle (Paths for All), Clive Allan (Community Payback), Kirsty McAlister (Inner Forth Landscape Initiative), Rory McDonald (Historic Scotland), Tom Leatherland, Doreen Kempsell, Stewart Webster, Bill McKissock, Gaye Mackay, Stephen Swan, Ken Walker, Scott Piatkowski, Mike Brockie, Nan and Phil Whetton, Fiona Thompson, Evelyn Jones, Karen Grant


  1. Apologies: Alex Hill, Geoff Cartwright, Tommy Cuthbert, Suze Anderson,

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  1. Minutes of the meeting of 25th November 2014

  1. Chairman stated that he understood that, when he had been out of the room, during the election process at the inaugural meeting, it had been suggested that his attendance at meetings was poor. He acknowledged that he had missed a number of meetings, and apologised for this, but he had undergone three major operations in 14 months.

  2. Rob Thompson wished it recorded at 17(b) that he had requested that the Secretary provided him with copies of the paperwork related to the handrail and path project.

  3. After amendment to this effect, the minutes were accepted as a true record. Proposed: Kat Tebbutt, seconded: Callum MacInnes


  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 28th October 2014

  1. Junction with A985. The resurfacing and road marking work was completed earlier than expected. Secretary had sought a progress report on other matters: (i) Right turn into village would be assisted by painted kerbs. Amey says ‘we will review the new road markings and also arrange for a member of staff to carry out the right turn manoeuvre into the junction in darkness’. (ii) What wording is planned for the electronic signs? Amey says ‘for each sign, a warning triangle showing an exclamation mark with TURNING TRAFFIC below’ the detector pads will presumably be of sufficient area to detect a car wherever it is halted. (iii) When will we get our ‘keep left’ bollard back? Amey says ‘We will check that this is Amey’s responsibility and if so arrange for the replacement of the bollard’. (iv) What will be done about vegetation on the north side of the A985 between the Limekilns and the Pattiesmuir junctions which restricts the long view of the traffic coming from Rosyth Amey says ‘I recall that this issue has been discussed within Amey in the past and I will ascertain what the view was of our landscaping team and let you know’. Kathleen would find out whether the Estate could help, since some of the vegetation is inside the field.

There was a suggestion that some sort of raised street furniture would help to discourage overtaking and possible collision with vehicles waiting in the central reservation

  1. Parking at The Cairns. Cllr Callaghan had secured an allocation of £7,500 at the Ward 1 meeting. Secretary will follow up with Tam Mowat.

  2. Bus service changes. Another consultation finished in mid-January. This was on the proposal to reduce the subsidised evening service from hourly to once every two hours. Once again, this was not a consultation to identify new routes. In Fife Council correspondence with Annie about her petition, David Henderson (Law and Administration) explained about the new Fife Council petition system. Not many people know about this! It would be advisable to use the format provided if there are plans to petition Fife Council in the future.

  3. Request for ramps for skate-park etc. A delegation from Limekilns visited the Rosyth skate-park, hosted by Neil Currie from Skateboard Scotland. Young people tried out the park using scooters, skate-boards, bikes and roller-skates, as well as a skate-sledge (since it had snowed the night before). We now have plans and dimensions for a few other small skate parks, from the designers - ‘Concreate'. A couple of boys have been collecting names of young people at Woodmill High School and Limekilns Primary School supporting the skate-park and will write-up a review of our visit to Rosyth. Two Dads are going to use the plans to look at possible sites. One of the boys is also using a skate-park design App to develop some ideas for the park.

  4. Gates at Telephone Exchange. Nothing done yet.

  5. Mobile Post Office service. Has yet to start. Secretary phoned today for an update. (Post meeting note: there had been a phone call at 7.30pm, explaining that they were having trouble doing whatever they have to do to get a broadband connection in their van! BT won’t let them connect via the phone box because it no longer belongs to BT!)

  6. Charlestown street lighting. West Area Planning Committee made a site visit before their meeting on 26thNovember. They were accompanied by a bus load of planners from Northern Ireland. They turned back before they got to the end of North Row, because they’d ‘seen as much as they needed to see’. At the subsequent meeting, Councillor Callaghan’s proposal that the streets in the core of the Charlestown Green conservation area be excluded from an approval for the rest of the scheme for modern lighting columns was accepted. She did not name the streets. The names of the streets were to be confirmed at the January meeting. However, at that meeting, officers did not accept that they had omitted Hall Row and Lochaber from the list, only that Cross Row should be called Cross Row and not Half Row. Apparently correcting this detail would involve a whole expensive legal process!

  7. Responses to FifePlan consultation. Secretary had noted that, of some 300 responses to the plan, about one third were comments on the ‘Minerals Plan’, the majority of those being objections to unconventional gas.

  8. Beechgrove Application. Rob does not expect to have a response until the end of January. Residents of The Wellheads expressed concern that they had not been involved in discussions concerning the proposed allotment site. Rob said that things were at an early stage, as ownership of the land was uncertain.


  1. Police Report.

  1. Community policing has been reorganized. Mike Harvey has gone from Oakley. Our Community PCs are Kirsty Orrock and Kev Chandler. There is an intention to attend more Community Council meetings, but they hadn’t taken account of the fact that three CCs meet on the last Tuesday of the month! There is a Police Community Engagement meeting here, tomorrow night at 7pm.

  2. Peter Curry described a surprisingly comprehensive police response to a minor attempt to break in to a vehicle in Brucehaven Road.


  1. Broomhall Estate

Kathleen Kirkpatrick understands that Pattiesmuir residents still wish to meet Broomhall Estate to share information and concerns. Community council is happy to facilitate this meeting.


  1. Inner Forth Landscape Initiative. Proposals for the kilns

  1. Rory McDonald of Historic Scotland and Kirsty McAlister of Inner Forth Landscape Initiative explained that the IFLI has a ‘pot of money’ which will support 50 built heritage and environmental projects over the period 2014 – 2018.

  2. For the kilns, it will mean vegetation removal and ‘targeted consolidation’. Work to be done by Historic Scotland staff, contractors and conservation volunteers

  3. Could use local volunteers for scrub removal and ‘a bit of archaeology’. Also opportunities for volunteers to carry out desk-based history of ‘Forth Crossings’ (all industries, all vessels, all goods). A Sue Mowat does research in this area.

  4. Anyone interested should sign up to receive the IFLI e-newsletter at www.innerforthlandscape.co.uk or contact Kirsty at kirsty.mcalister@rspb.org.uk.

  5. Historic Scotland is coming out of Government and combining with The Royal Commission on the Ancient and Historical Monuments of Scotland to become ‘Historic Environment Scotland’. There will be changes in the way they work. The kilns project is a first, in that it is working with a private landowner.


  1. War memorial. ‘Paths for All’, Community Payback.

  1. Daffodils have been planted on the banking with Floral Display Group. The soil on the slope seems stable.

  2. Catharine of ‘Paths for All’ had written a useful report. General recommendation is to monitor water flow by construction of some strategically located v-ditches to be filled with Type 1 stone. Recommends that any hard landscaping is left for the time being. It was good to see the landowner, the local authority and the community all ‘on board’ with this project.

  3. The Estate has done some work on drainage on the west side. Breaking through the tarmac on the remains of the old road below the wall at the eastern end will prevent water from ponding here.

  4. Clive Allan from Fife’s Community Payback scheme described the types of projects that are carried out by offenders under supervision. They do painting and decorating, ground clearance, path construction, anything really. They carry out some 500 projects per annum. They have access to machinery. The works suggested at ‘b’ above would be something they could do.

  5. The Sword. An old photo shows a sword mounted vertically on the southern face of the war memorial pillar. It may have been lost on one of the occasions when the memorial fell down. Rob has been investigating the practicality of making and fixing a new one. The War Memorials Trust are interested in funding this. The Community Council could also contribute to the cost. It would be essential for it to be protected with ‘Smartwater’ or similar security measure.


  1. Community Council Engagement Group.

  1. The CCEG work group (members: Mandy Littlewood, Callum Macinnes, Kat Tebbutt, Tommy Cuthbert) has met twice.

  2. The main aims of the CCEG are to:

  • Engage the wider community : particularly those not involved so far and those not on social media

  • Ease the burden on the Secretary

  • Publicise what the CC does

  • Let people know what the CC can and has achieved

  • Improve communication between CC and community groups and between and among community groups (e.g. community diary)

  1. Next steps for the CCEG

  • Village Link – contribute Community Council news each quarter.

  • Community list - finalise an email asking various groups to opt into email group and village on-line diary

  1. Medium to longer-term –

  • To develop and action a community development strategy – looking at engaging young people and older people in particular

  • Source funding for different strands of work (e.g. surveys, events, youth forum)

  1. Chairman suggested that it might be useful to link up with Fife’s D of E organisation. Secretary said there is a village directory with contacts for all village organisations. Meeting commended the initiative taken by this group


  1. Treasurer’s Report.

  1. Balances are as follows: BoS £993.09; Nationwide account £1712.87; RFRD £1072.56.

  2. Data protection registration. Invoice received for annual data protection registration. This £35 is reimbursed by Fife Council.

  3. Signatories to the account. The Bank of Scotland has not been very good at keeping account signatories up to date. They have decided to tighten up their procedures. A new mandate form is being sent to the Treasurer.

  4. Suze Anderson has intimated that she is planning to move house out of the area, so will have to resign as Community Council Treasurer.

  5. Expenditure of grant. We'll be getting to the end of financial year soon. Of the £596.32 FC grant we got last year, only £91 has been spent. The grant application form states that if less than 80% of the grant has been spent we need to say what the surplus is for.  A contribution to the war memorial sword will form part of this expenditure. Benches are always valued by the community. If Janice and Jimmy’s plans to sell the Sutlery business come to fruition we will need to co-ordinate a community thank-you for their huge contribution to village life.
     

  1. Secretary’s Report

  1. Land at Primrose. Masterton Estates have put their strip of land along the A985 between Pattiesmuir and Rosyth on the market.

  2. Rosyth Churchyard Gate. The latch is faulty and prevents access into the Churchyard.

  3. Planning Democracy conference is holding a conference on 25th April. It has also lodged a petition with the Scottish parliament to suggest an equal right of appeal for communities.

  4. Queen’s Hall AGM. This coming Thursday.

  5. Conservation Area policy review? Secretary had heard a rumour that Fife Council were going to review their Conservation Area policy and tighten up on windows. She thought this would be difficult if Fife Council is to continue installing modern lighting columns.

  6. Forth Replacement Crossing presentations today and tomorrow at the Education Centre in South Queensferry.


  1. Councillor

Nothing further to report


  1. AOCB

Secretary had received a complaint about the state of the road surface at North Loanhead and South Loanhead. She will pass this on.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 24th February 2015 at the Gellet Hall.


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF INAUGURAL MEETING

HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 25th NOVEMBER 2014


Present: Peter Curry Sue Hamilton, Lesley Scott, Callum MacInnes, Alex Hill, Mandy Littlewood, Kat Tebbutt, Annie Nally, Tommy Cuthbert, Trevor Jones, Rob Thompson


In attendance: Cllrs Callaghan and Stewart, Ian Cruikshanks, Christine Forrester, Fiona Thompson, Evelyn Jones, Malcolm Hamilton, Christine Donnelly, Catharine Idle,


  1. Apologies: Geoff Cartwright, Suze Anderson, Tom Leatherland, DoreenKempsell

  2. Welcome

Cllr Callaghan took the Chair and welcomed everyone, particularly newly-elected Community Councillors, to the inaugural meeting of the new Community Council. She proceeded to the election of a Chairman.

  1. Appointment of Chairman

Peter Curry.  Proposed: Sue Hamilton,  Seconded: Kat Tebbutt.

Alex Hill.  Proposed: Rob Thompson. When asked if he wished to be nominated, Alex Hill said he did not.  Peter Curry, being the only nomination, the meeting agreed that Peter Curry be appointed Chairman. Peter Curry took the Chair.


  1. Appointment of Vice Chairman

Alex Hill. Proposed: Peter Curry, Seconded Callum MacInnes. This being the only nomination, the meeting agreed that Alex Hill be appointed Vice Chairman


  1. Appointment of Secretary

Sue Hamilton. Proposed Peter Curry, seconded Alex Hill. This being the only nomination, the meeting agreed that Sue Hamilton be appointed Secretary


  1. Appointment of Treasurer

Suze Anderson. Proposed: Sue Hamilton, seconded Lesley Scott. This being the only nomination, the meeting agreed that Suze Anderson be appointed Treasurer.


  1. Information for Members

The Secretary gave a presentation on the purpose, relationships, and funding of the Community Council. Secretary agreed to attach this to the minute of the meeting. Chairman emphasized that the Community Council generally works by consensus and does not vote on everything. Our business is to represent all the views of the community – which may be divergent – and express an agreed way forward if possible!


  1. Co-option of Members.

Tom Scott had stood down from his co-opted role in representing the issues of concern to residents of Grange Road. Secretary will write him a formal note of thanks. Suze Anderson was co-opted to continue in the role Treasurer. Iain Cruikshanks is happy to continue as a representative of local businesses.


Before proceeding to ordinary business, the Chairman noted the full agenda and reminded the meeting that meetings were intended to last for around 90 minutes. He proposed that, after 120 minutes, he would ask if it was the will of the meeting to continue beyond this time.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 28th October 2014

After insertion of an item about the commencement of the Estate shooting season, the minutes were agreed as a true record. Proposed Alex Hill, Seconded Lesley Scott

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 28th October 2014

  1. Junction with A985. Secretary has been informed by Amey that the promised resurfacing and road marking work will be carried out on the nights of 4th and 5th December.

  2. Parking at The Cairns. Cllr Callaghan had site meeting with Tam Mowat of Fife Council, and a site meeting with the Secretary this morning. Cllr Callaghan will seek funding for this at the next Ward 1 meeting.

  3. Bus service changes. Annie has collected around 300 signatures on the petition which she will present to Fife Council officers who deal with bus services. Secretary understands that the service requested would need to be provided by Stagecoach. The number 6 service has survived because it doubles as the school bus – which is why there are gaps in the timetable, morning and afternoon, and also why it is a double decker (which, surprisingly, have similar fuel ‘economy’ to single deckers). The consultation in the summer had been about the existing Fife Council subsidised services, rather than about new routes.

  4. Lime Centre Yard project. Secretary had been told by Ros Artis that the Lime Centre is no longer progressing the ‘Yard’ project at this time.

  5. Request for ramps for skate park etc. Mandy still investigating costs. Need to involve the young folk in development of ideas. She is considering the training of the Explorers as ‘peer researchers’ who could gain a better understanding of the needs and wants of the age group(s). Age group considerations are important to address potential conflict

  6. Boundary at Douglas Bank Cemetery. No report back from Bereavement Services, but Rob says trimmed brushwood has been ‘woven’ into the gaps in the hedge, giving it a generally tidier appearance.

  7. Gates at Telephone Exchange. There had been a site visit today and a decision to renew the gates.

  8. Mobile Post Office consultation. Secretary had written about our concerns with security of the vehicle, and the possible impact on Charlestown Post Office. Post Office had replied that security of the vehicles is well-managed, and that there is likely to be little impact on Charlestown PO.

  9. Charlestown street lighting. West Area Planning Committee is to make a site visit tomorrow before their meeting.

  10. Secretary had attended ‘Unearthed’, a film about the effects of unconventional gas operations. It provided much food for thought.


  1. Police Report. No contact or report from Police.


  1. Broomhall Estate

Kathleen Kirkpatrick will organise a meeting with Pattiesmuir residents.


  1. FifePLAN consultation ends 8th December. Secretary emphasized that the Local Plan determines development for the next n years. Rob said there is probably a ‘hook’ upon which to hang a comment about Fracking. Secretary thanked him for the observation and asked if he could find the reference to the possible ‘hook’.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. Following payments for Secretary’s expenses and Remembrance Day wreath, balances are as follows: BoS £993.09; Nationwide account £1712.87; RFRD £1072.24.

  2. Rob Thompson asked about the rules for receiving the annual grant from Fife Council. In order to receive it, we have to have spent at least 80% of the previous year’s grant. The Community Council holds modest accumulated funds. Such funds were available last year to contribute to the cost of the community noticeboards.


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Fibre broadband has come to the villages earlier than expected. Service providers will provide detailed information as to how you can be connected.

  2. On Site’, a firm of contractors are carrying out a comprehensive sewer survey in the villages. One of the pumping stations apparently had so much hydrogen sulphide that they couldn’t complete the work at that location. Secretary had phoned Scottish Water for more information, but they had none. Apparently ‘On Site’ are contractors to contractors to Scottish Water!

  3. Secretary has reported the ‘keep left’ bollard which has gone missing from the Limekilns junction.

  4. Information received from Paths for All about training courses they are running next year. Catharine Idle, who lives in Charlestown and works for Paths for All explained that the training was in ground survey and path construction.


  1. Councillors

  1. Cllr Callaghan had given a talk at the College Club about the work of a Councillor.

  2. Cllr Stewart had, recently, been stuck behind a long vehicle which was stuck on Merryhill Bridge, having followed SatNav instructions. Others had experienced similar events. Secretary will ask if we can have signs which restrict access for vehicles above a certain size.

  3. There is to be a consultation on Fife Council’s draft budget. Choices have to be made about budget cuts. Cllr Callaghan provided a paper copy of the Draft Budget.

  4. There are also plans afoot to reduce the length of teaching contact time for all pupils in Fife. (Post meeting note: Secretary has tried to find out more: During the second half of November, there were just 8 meetings in the whole of Fife to inform parents what is being considered. For Woodmill, St Columba’s, Dunfermline High, Queen Anne, and Inverkeithing High, there were just two possible meetings, on the 20th and 27th November (both Thursday). There is no formal consultation period notified on the Fife Direct web site.) There are also plans to close more school kitchens.

  5. Cllr Stewart said several West Fife Villages had not yet re-established Community Councils, following recent elections. The Community Council Forum is therefore currently under strength. Tommy Cuthbert volunteered to attend meetings on our behalf which was agreed. It would be the appropriate forum for discussion of wider issues such as Unconventional Gas extraction.


  1. Discussion of proposal (Rob Thompson)

  1. Rob Thompson presented two written proposals to the Community Council. These had been emailed to members yesterday and today.

  2. One arose from his request, at the last meeting, for funding to repair the path on the east side of the War Memorial. The proposal presented had two elements – drainage on the west side and enhancing the area surrounding the War Memorial. A number of questions were put about the need for the works, the various parties named as contributing materials and labour, how ten tonnes of shale would be held on the sloping ground, whose decision it would be as to what was appropriate hard landscaping around the War Memorial. The proposal was that the Community Council might contribute the cost of grass seed @£62 and storm drain channel @£60. There was a further suggestion that the Community Council might fund ‘Spanish White chips’ @£180. (Secretary stated that she, personally, would be totally opposed to the latter, as being out of keeping with the informality of the site).

  3. Chairman thanked Rob for his proposal. He stated that a number of parties had an interest in the War Memorial, not least Fife Council, who have a statutory duty to maintain it, the landowner, as well as the whole population of the villages, who hold the site in great affection as well as others such as the British Legion. Everyone needs to feel comfortable with any changes that are made. It seems that an Action Group reporting to the Community Council might be the best vehicle for delivering any work here.

  4. Catharine Idle volunteered to meet Rob on site tomorrow. She has experience of distinguishing between drainage and maintenance on the one hand, and reconstruction on the other. She will produce a report for the Community Council after this meeting. She was thanked by the Chairman.

  5. Malcolm Hamilton said that two different individuals had told him how much they appreciated the recent provision of the path and handrail to the west side when they attended the Remembrance commemoration.

  6. The second proposal which Rob presented was an application to Beechgrove Community Gardens which needed to be submitted two days hence. It was a proposal for three community mini-orchards at several locations, and the creation of allotments on vacant land between Wellheads and Upper Wellheads. It also included proposals for decorative planting at the War Memorial. All the pieces of land are in the ownership of Broomhall Estate. He had spoken to various folk in different organisations and suggested that there was a groundswell of people in the villages who supported the proposal. Some could not understand why there was a rush to submit an application this year. Concerns were expressed about the planting of garden plants at the War memorial, since it is already something of a wild flower meadow in May and June after the informal scatter of daffodils has died down. Catharine suggested an organisation called ‘Grow Wild’ as an excellent source of advice for communities seeking to increase biodiversity by growing wild flowers

  7. In the Chairman’s summing up of a long discussion, he suggested that the mini-orchards and allotments were relatively non-controversial, but that inclusion of the War Memorial makes the application much more complex.

  8. Rob will redraft the application taking the foregoing discussion into account. The application will be in his name, under the umbrella of the Floral Displays Group.



Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 27th January 2015 at the Gellet Hall.

 


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT PATTIESMUIR 30.09.2014


Present: Peter Curry Sue Hamilton, Lesley Scott, Callum MacInnes


In attendance: Kathleen Kilpatrick, Cllr Callaghan, Doreen Kempsell, Colin and Betty Craig, Tom Leatherland, Rob and Fiona Thompson, Anne Steele, Myra Pater,
Mike Brockie, Nan Whetton, Robin Gray, David Crabb, Evelyn and Trevor Jones.


Apologies: Alex Hill, Kat Tebbutt, Annie Nally, Mandy Littlewood, Geoff Cartwright,

Fiona Davies, Suze Anderson, Elain MacLachlan.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 26th August 2014

After deletion of the last two sentences in item 4d, these were agreed as a true record. Proposed Lesley, Seconded Alice.

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 26th August 2014

  1. Junction with A985. It transpires that Gordon Boyd transferred from BEAR to Amey, so there would appear to be little reason for delay in implementing the variable sign measures. Secretary had asked that the bushes on the north side of the road between Limekilns and Pattiesmuir be removed. Amey’s initial reaction is that we still have 160m of visibility.

  2. Parking at The Cairns. Cllr Callaghan had a site meeting with Callum and the Secretary. Cllr Callaghan is arranging a meeting with Housing.

  3. Garage at Brucehaven Crescent. Situation seems to be resolved to the satisfaction of all concerned

  4. Trip hazard at Capernaum Court. Nothing done

  5. Bus service changes. Annie had had further correspondence on the matter of east-west services. It was pointed out that 71 – the only existing east-west service had been reduced through lack of use.

  6. Litter Bin requests. Secretary had sent Tam Mowat photos of the mess made by seagulls when they rake through the open-topped bins on the Promenade, and requested request ‘side slot’ bins at these locations as well as a new bin to replace the rusty one at Charlestown Green.

  7. Lime Centre Yard project. Secretary awaits information about the form of words required in the letter of support.

  8. Request for ramps for stunts etc. Mandy Littlewood’s husband has a particular interest in skateboard facilities and he and a colleague are happy to assess sites in and around the villages. Such facilities can be noisy so are not appropriate near houses. Rosyth has a big new facility. High Valleyfield has a smaller one under construction.

  9. Boundary at Douglas Bank Cemetery. Secretary has spoken to Liz Murphy of Bereavement Services, who is investigating.

  10. Gates at Telephone Exchange. These will be painted or removed altogether.

  11. Fence contractor removed his advertising sign promptly.


  1. Police Report.

  1. Secretary and Lesley had attended the recent Community Engagement Meeting, where the main topic had been issues concerning speeding by cyclists in the village. Cyclists are neither required to have insurance or speedometers on their bikes. PC Harvey, himself a keen cyclist, will contact the local cycle clubs and ask them to remind their members of the dangers of speed in village areas.


  1. Broomhall Estate

  1. Giant Hogweed. Plants are now dying off. New growth will need spraying in the spring

  2. Knotweed. Only one of the two patches has been sprayed. There is another larger patch beyond the East Lodge on the south side of the drive. Kathleen will investigate.

  3. Pattiesmuir. Estate will organise a meeting with Pattiesmuir residents.

  4. The Estate reports a problem with cars parked at the entrance to Broomhall.

  5. Estate delighted with progress being made with the Sutlery building.


  1. Planning

  1. Fifeplan update. The Proposed Plan has been published. There will be a 6 week period of consultation from the end of October. It contains a proposal for a small development behind the Sutlery.

  2. Hilton Development. The triangle of ground between Brankholm Brae and the footpath is part of the development site. It is likely that it will be for some sort of commercial development such as a restaurant. It will be subject to a separate planning application. The arrows marked on the road for access to this site are misleading.

  3. Spinneys, Church Street. (Chairman, as owner of one of the adjacent properties, disclosed an interest.) Work on the house at this address has been carried out according to the approved planning permission. Massive digging has now been carried out, removing what were, effectively, retaining earthworks, and leading to slippage of soil from the gardens of adjacent properties which are at a higher level, as well as to exposure of the foundations of the high wall bordering Church Street. Planning and Building Control are investigating.


  1. War Memorial Access Project.

  1. Funding has been secured. Brian Siddell will fit the job in during October.

  2. Rob Thompson volunteered to recruit a squad to tidy up the site. Community Council can make a contribution to the cost of materials.


  1. Proposed new street lighting columns

  1. This was going to have been considered by the West Area planning committee on 1st October, but is not on the published agenda.

  2. The Community Council maintains its opposition to this scheme.

  3. Missing lamp post, Red Row. New owner of No 21 has observed how dark it is at that corner. An earlier lamp post was lost when the wall collapsed during the installation of a sewer along the beach in 1991. Transportation say they will only replace on a like for like basis and that they have no record of the existence of this lamp post.


  1. Other conservation area issues.

  1. Pierhead House. Still no planning application lodged.

  2. 5 Halkett’s Hall. Concerns have been raised by several villagers about the fence erected across the footway. Secretary will write to householder suggesting that it was advisable to seek planning permission.

  3. Satellite Dish, South Row. A new dish has been erected in the middle of a white wall. Satellite dishes must be sensitively sited in conservation areas.


  1. Treasurer's Report

No change from last month


  1. Community Council Elections

Secretary has today received the paperwork relating to Community Council Elections. These are held every four years. All existing members stand down and are eligible to stand again. Anyone living in the villages and on the electoral roll can stand for election. To date, there have never been enough nominations for an election to be required! Nomination papers can be down loaded at:

http://www.fifedirect.org.uk/publications/index.cfm?fuseaction=publication.pop&pubid=C1067AD6-CA74-1AFC-276DB4F017758572


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Children’s panel recruitment posters. Cllr Callaghan commented that self-employed people are welcomed to the panel, as they often have greater flexibility. They are paid for their time.

  2. Fife Council is organising a Welfare Reform information event at High Valleyfield on 5th October.

  3. Fife Coast and Countryside Trust newsletter

  4. Fife Council looking to update their list of groups who might be seeking funding information.

  5. Stickers on Royal Mail letterboxes. Stickers on letterboxes indicate a change of collection regime from 20th October. This is likely to be that collections will be made by delivery personnel when they have completed their delivery rounds.

  6. Letter received today about 6-week consultation starting today on new mobile Post Office service to be offered for Limekilns between 14.15 and 16.15 on Thursdays.

  7. Parking at Upper Wellheads. Secretary had been contacted by a resident who has encountered problems with his access being blocked.


  1. Councillor Callaghan

Cllr Callaghan has been addressing problems associated with delays in Blue Badge allocation. She has also raised concerns about the working of the Community Alarms system when a user is admitted to hospital without the family being informed


  1. AOCB

  1. A Radio 4 programme today about Fracking had mentioned Fife.

  2. Access to the beach at the eastern end of the gabions is deteriorating.

  3. Sewage on Capernaum Pier. The problem persists, with raw sewage often leaking onto the pier. Cruising club will compile a diary of events. Community council will take it up with Scottish Water and SEPA.

  4. Craning out happens next weekend


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 28th October 2014 at the Gellet Hall.

 


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 26.08.2014


Present: Sue Hamilton, Alex Hill, Kat Tebbutt, Lesley Scott, Annie Nally, Mandy Littlewood, Geoff Cartwright,


In attendance: Kathleen Kilpatrick, Cllr Callaghan, Cllr Stewart, Doreen Kempsell, Bill and Gaye McKissock, Colin and Betty Craig, Linda MacPhee, Tom Leatherland, Julian Smith, Rob and Fiona Thompson, Tony Orton,


Apologies: Fiona Davies, Callum MacInnes, Tom Scott, Suze Anderson, Peter Curry (but present for items 6,7,8!),


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 24th June 2014

These were agreed as a true record. Proposed Lesley, Seconded Kat.

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 24th June 2014

  1. CC recruitment. Welcome to Mandy Littlewood today! CC had a presence at Gala Day. Secretary has rationalized her distribution lists so that the emails she receives can be more widely circulated.

  2. Junction with A985. A good meeting was held in early July with George Henry and Marco Bardelli from Transport Scotland and Gordon Boyd from BEAR. It was attended by the Secretary, Malcolm Hamilton, and Karen Hart. As a first measure, the plan is to have the variable signs on the main road activated by stationary traffic at our junction, and alert drivers on the main road to joining traffic. Unfortunately, the whole of the highway management has now been significantly disrupted by the transfer of the contract from BEAR to Amey on August 15th! Secretary has asked Marco to push Amey into action. Bushy growth of trees on the north side of the road between Limekilns and Pattiesmuir hinders our sight line to the east. Secretary has asked that his be addressed.

  3. Parking at The Cairns. No progress. Cllr Callaghan asked for a site meeting with the Secretary.

  4. Garage at Brucehaven Crescent. Chris Moodie of Fife Council seems to have got this sorted by offering each property bordering on the council-owned patch the chance to buy the land they need.

  5. Trip hazard at Capernaum Court. No progress. Cllr Stewart will follow up with John McQueen.

  6. Bus service changes. The consultation on the use of the subsidised 71 and 86 bus services ran until 27th July. There was an excellent response from this community. The 71 has been reduced to one journey in each direction at the beginning and end of the day (so it’s ‘tough’ if it does not fit your working hours.) Then, with no apparent warning, Stagecoach made major changes to their services – changing the number of our service from 76 to 6 and removing the onward service to Wellwood (hitherto used by pupils electing to go to Queen Anne High School). They seem to have delivered new timetables to most houses in the villages.

  7. Litter Bin request at Red Row. A bin was about to be installed, but the process was halted after objection from another resident. We will ask residents to monitor the litter situation at this location. There is an ongoing issue about the mess seagulls make when they rake through the open-topped bins on the Promenade. We should request ‘side slot’ bins at these locations. We also need a new bin to replace the rusty one at Charlestown Green.

  8. Rosyth Churchyard. A new pedestrian gate has been installed. Secretary had thanked Bereavement Services for their attention to this matter, and to the grass-cutting at the graveyard this season. There is now a Commonwealth War Graves notice on the gate. There are two graves there of casualties from WW1 – an Admiral Tower and a Private Wylie.

  9. Lime Centre Yard project. Secretary has yet to write a letter of support.

  10. Hilton Road skid spot. The corner has been surfaced with more grippy material (at the same time as other resurfacing was carried out, apparently in anticipation of the Queen’s visit!).

  11. Wind turbine survey. Tom Scott had returned the survey questionnaire but had heard nothing further.


  1. Police Report.

  1. There was no report from the Police.

  2. Small World. Ali MacKerron, former chairman of the Community Council, now living in Perth, Australia, reports that he had recently met our one-time diligent community policeman, Ryan Hutchison, at a barbecue there!


  1. Broomhall Estate

  1. Giant Hogweed. Spraying by the Estate is still ongoing.

  2. Knotweed. Kathleen will check what has been / is being done about the two patches near the East Lodge.

  3. License application for felling operations. The plan is to fell small groups of old trees to allow replacement planting. The existing application is for just one small site on the main bank of trees.

  4. New fence at War Memorial. This substantial new fence has been vandalised.

  5. Pattiesmuir. Secretary once again, re-iterated that residents are still looking to have a meeting with the Estate, so that views and concerns can be aired and discussed openly. Geoff Cartwright endorsed this opinion on behalf of the residents of Pattiesmuir. It is puzzling why the Factor is so resistant to such a meeting. It is common experience that, when communities are included in early opportunities for discussion of proposals, their hostility to any development is reduced!

  6. Overnight caravan at the ‘turning circle’. A towed caravan had been there for one night and caused no disturbance or litter. There would be concern if there were more than one caravan or one staying for more than one night, in which case the Estate would be alerted..


  1. War Memorial Access Project.

Secretary had completed an application to Fife Environment Trust for 90% of the cost of £6960 (Brian Siddell’s quote). It is hoped the remainder will come from the Locality Budget. Secretary had indicated in the application that the Community Council’s contribution would be in financing some tidying up of the area around the war memorial itself. Meeting noted how much tidier the area looks thanks to the recent strim by Fife Council.


  1. Proposed new street lighting columns

  1. The number of objections had been such that the application will have to be considered by the West Area planning committee.

  2. Cllr Callaghan had spoken to the planning officer about the policy. Not clear what support for the residents’ and the Community Council’s case will be forthcoming.


  1. Other conservation area applications.

  1. 42 Main Street. Application for substantial alterations. No concerns.

  2. Pierhead House. No planning application has yet been lodged. Work appears to have stopped.

  3. 5 Halkett’s Hall. Application for replacement windows and doors in uPVC. Unlikely to get planning permission. (Post meeting note: Secretary forgot to voice concerns raised by several villagers that a fence has been erected across the footway in front of the house.)


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. Balances: BoS - £1059.09; DBS - £1712.87; RFRD - £1072.24.

  2. Fife Council grant of £596.322 received. APRS subscription of £25 paid


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Bus parked at Halketts Hall. In July, an unmarked white coach was regularly parked outside Seacliff during the day. This created difficulties for drivers exiting from Main Street. It transpired that the bus was carrying BAE workers from Clydeside to Rosyth and returning them in the evening. The driver had decided that Limekilns beach was the ideal place to spend the day, and didn’t respond well to requests to park his bus elsewhere. Secretary managed to make contact via BAE Systems HR department.

  2. Crombie School letter. Letter received telling us that Fife Council has made the decision to close Crombie school and transfer pupils to Limekilns. This is by no means a final decision, as it has to go to the scrutiny committee and may well be called in by the Scottish government. Tony Orton of Crombie suggested that Fife Council services needed to work more closely together – as, just as Education was suggesting closure of the school, the new Local Plan makes provision for 100 additional houses to be built at Crombie! It was pointed out that the per capita cost figures provided as justification for the closure have been shown to be exaggerated. In previous minutes the per capita cost per pupil was recorded as £16,438 per pupil. However, adjusting for the cost of one fewer teacher  and the loss of Grant Aided Expenditure, the per capita cost is reduced to £7,689.

  3. Commenting on planning applications. Letter received about the rationalisation of consultation periods for planning applications.

  4. Road repairs west of Charlestown. Hurrah! Road now properly resurfaced. However, it required a 3 day closure and disruption of the bus service. Pity they didn’t give us any notice. Councillors are told, but the affected communities are not.

  5. ‘On location’ at the lime kilns. Filming of the American television series ‘Outlander’ required a cave, and one of the kilns was deemed to be suitable. Secretary had received notice and was concerned that the residents were kept fully informed. The number of vehicles was such that traffic lights were required to allow West Harbour residents to get to and from their homes. Not really much economic benefit to the villages!

  6. Request for scooter facility. At the Gala, Secretary had been approached by Angus and his dad, asking whether we could have ramps installed in the park for him and his friends to ride their scooters. It turns out that what they have in mind is something like a full skate park. They had subsequently provided photographs of facilities at Saline, Oakley and Rosyth. There was a bit of a feeling that the installation of such facilities in Limekilns Park would alter the clientele it attracts. Perhaps we could find a site elsewhere. Facilities such as those at Saline and Rosyth cost in the region of £100,000. (Secretary noted that the recent re-launch of the ‘Awards for All’ scheme had prioritised awards to minority groups, which are listed as ‘mainly black and minority ethnic people (including refugees, asylum seekers and new migrants); disabled people; lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people; older people; carers’. Unlikely, therefore to be a source of funding for a skate park in Limekilns!

  7. Hall management seminar. Secretary had attended this excellent event led by Peter Ager of Fife Council. Its purpose is to ensure that those who manage halls are aware of their responsibilities in terms of Health and Safety and Fire.

  8. Boundary of Douglas Bank Cemetery. The boundary between the cemetery and the public path is rather unkempt, and ‘porous’ to dogs. Secretary had spoken to Bereavement Services and suggested that, if a new fence were to be erected, there might be a defined pedestrian exit at the north west corner.

  9. State of gates at Telephone Exchange. Gates are rusty and unsightly and almost never used. Secretary had spoken to a useful person who said their condition would be checked.

  10. Fence contractor’s advertising sign. Secretary had contacted the fencing contractors and suggested it is time their advertising sign was removed from the new fence at Upper Wellheads.

  11. Hilton development at Rosyth is ‘now taking applications from people who are interested in renting mid-market rental properties, built to a high standard but rented at very affordable rates’.


  1. Councillors

Councillor Stewart expressed her concern about the difficulties there seem to be in organizing a ‘homecare package’ with Fife Council’s Social Work department. She would like to hear from people who have such experience.


  1. AOCB

Availability of Community Council minutes. Alex will post them on Facebook when they have been approved for local circulation.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 30th September 2014 at the College, Pattiesmuir.


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 24.06.2014


Present: Sue Hamilton, Alex Hill, Kat Tebbutt, Lesley Scott, Annie Nally, Fiona Davies, Callum MacInnes


In attendance: Charlie Reid Thomas, Doreen Kempsell, Bill McKissock, Gaye McKissock


Apologies: Peter Curry, Geoff Cartwright, Tom Scott, Mandy Littlewood, Katie Hay Cllr Callaghan, Cllr Stewart, Suze Anderson,


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 27th May 2014

These were agreed as a true record. Proposed Alex, Seconded Lesley.

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 27th May 2014

  1. CC recruitment. Mandy Littlewood and Katie Hay delighted to join but send their apologies tonight. As Community Council elections are coming up in the autumn, the CC should have promotion stall at Gala Day on 16th August (as we did a few years ago, when folk were entered into a raffle if they gave us their email address.)

  2. Junction with A985. Secretary had pressed for a date for the meeting with Babcock and others, but none was forthcoming. She has now requested a meeting to deal specifically with our issues. It will, when it happens, be with George Henry from Transport Scotland and Gordon Boyd from BEAR. It is important to include the situation at the Pattiesmuir junction.

  3. Parking at The Cairns. Secretary had a site meeting with the officer from Fife Council’s housing department. He said he had neither been asked about nor sanctioned the path across the grass, agreed it was nonsense that the money should have been spent in this way, but still said that funding towards resolving the parking problem could not be justified. There was a glimmer of response when secretary suggested the CC might make a small contribution.

  4. Garage at Brucehaven Crescent. Councillor Callaghan’s meeting with the officer doesn’t seem to have brought us any closer to a resolution of this issue

  5. Giant Hogweed. Spraying by the Estate is still ongoing, weather permitting. The bad patch by the old foundry has been addressed. There is a plant by the Sailing Club slipway on Capernaum Pier.

  6. Trip hazard at Capernaum Court. Fife Council’s Housing and Assets departments both deny that this land is in Fife Council’s ownership, although the Land Registry say that, in the absence of another named owner, it probably is Fife Council’s. One of the residents has helpfully offered to kill the tree stump and to lift and relay the offending slabs.

  7. Beach clean. Thanks Kat for organizing this (to coincide with a national clean-up effort). Turnout had been rather disappointing due to clashes with other events. A group of cadets from Rosyth had contributed their efforts to the event.


  1. Police Report. .

  1. There was no report from the Police.

  2. Kat reported that police had been checking speeds on the Prom on two occasions last week. We would be interested to know what they found.

  3. Royal visit. The sergeant from Rosyth had reassured Suze that residents of Hilton Farm Steadings would be allowed in and out by an officer at the scene.


  1. Broomhall Estate

  1. Knotweed. Callum had contacted the Estate about the clumps of Giant Knotweed near East Lodge. Charlie will check with Kathleen what is being done about it.

  2. Pattiesmuir. Secretary re-iterated that the residents are still looking to have a meeting with the Estate, so that views and concerns can be aired and discussed openly. It is puzzling why the Factor is so resistant to such a meeting. Secretary pointed out that the Fifeplan, the next iteration of the local development plan, is nearing its final version. This could be the last moment for many years to alter the designation of the ‘piggery’ or to tweak the shape of the village envelope to allow limited development without ruining the amenity of existing residents.

  3. The Foundry Cottage site will be put on the market shortly..


  1. War Memorial Access Project.

  1. Fife Council’s Clair Lovett eventually came up with an estimated cost of £13,800 for a handrail and path. Fife Council’s Tom Mowatt of Parks and Countryside told the secretary that his men had neither the skills nor the time to complete the job before November. He suggested we approach a private contractor.

  2. Secretary had approached Brando Building Contractors who are working on Pierhead Cottage. He would do it for half the price. She is still awaiting a quote from Brian Siddell.

  3. The next step is to find funding. Secretary is in touch with the War memorials Trust and Fife Environment Trust.

  4. Funders want to know that, if a project is on private land, public access is assured. Factor stated that the Estate would write a ’letter of comfort’ to whom it may concern, assuring public access to the War Memorial in perpetuity.


  1. Lime Centre ‘Yard’ project.

  1. Heritage Lottery have invited a Stage 1 application for the project. 

  2. They have split the project into 2 parts, a development phase (gathering costs, securing partnership funding, having a programme of activities and appointing an Education Officer) and a delivery phase (building The Yard and continuing with programme of activities and appointing a Marketing Officer).  

  3.  The Lime Centre is looking for a letter of support from the Community Council. We are happy to provide that.


  1. Bus Service Consultation

  1. The consultation on the use of the 71 and 86 bus services runs until 27th July. These services are subsidised by Fife Council.

  2. Community Council and individuals have done their best to ensure that all users of the services know about it and fill in the questionnaire


  1. Proposed new street lighting columns.

  1. Residents had received neighbour notification letters on Friday last week.

  2. It is not easy to find information about what is involved. Secretary will provide clearer information about what is proposed. Callum will post the information on Facebook.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. No change from last month


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Hilton Road skid spot. Fife Council is aware of the number of vehicles that come off the road at the bend near the 30mph sign. They are considering what can be done.

  2. Secretary had passed on a request for a litter bin beside the seats at the end of Red Row.

  3. The planting of annual flowers at the junction has not been a great success. First, they killed more grass than was subsequently rotavated. Then, just when the flowers were bursting into bloom, Fife Council operatives mowed them all down on one side of the road!

  4. Wind turbine survey. Tom Scott had received the survey questionnaire because of his proximity to the FMC turbine.


  1. Councillor Slot.

No councillor present. No communication from either during the month.


  1. AOCB

  1. The dog bin at Charlestown Green needs replaced.

  2. Toddlers/under threes. ‘Kilns Kids’ is being established and will operate from the Queen’s Hall.

  3. Michael Murray from Babcock had taken a walk along the beach at Brucehaven today. He told Doreen that the beach was being ‘calibrated’, this week or next week.

  4. Concern was expressed about overnight camper vans at the turning circle. The meeting did not consider it a problem, as long as it was one-off users and they didn’t leave litter or cause disturbance or obstruction. We would keep the situation under review.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 26th August 2014 in the Gellet Hall.

 


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 27.05.2014


Present: Sue Hamilton, Alex Hill, Peter Curry, Kat Tebbutt, Lesley Scott, Callum MacInnes


In attendance: Cllr Callaghan, Suze Anderson, Mike Brockie, Bill Gray, Fiona Davies, Rebecca


Apologies: Annie Nally


  1. Note of the meeting of 29th April 2014

No formal approval was possible.

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 29th April 2014

  1. CC recruitment. Fiona Davies joined at tonight’s AGM. We will also invite Mandy Littlewood and Katie Hay, who have also expressed interest.

  2. Junction with A985. Secretary had spoken to George Henry, traffic safety manager for Transport Scotland, who had been at the meeting in January. He said he had been shocked at how bad the situation was when they left the meeting at 5.15pm. He would arrange a meeting at the beginning of June with BEAR and with Babcock – where the consequences of the congestion are also severe. George said that technology – such as ‘static loops’ - is available to alert trunk road traffic to minor road traffic waiting to join, and everything and anything would be done to resolve the difficulties at our junction.

  3. Rosyth Graveyard. Temporary repairs have been made to the small pedestrian gate.

  4. Parking at The Cairns. Secretary has arranged a site meeting with an officer from Fife Council’s housing department next week.

  5. Garage at Brucehaven Crescent. Councillor Callaghan had brought a senior Fife Council officer to a site meeting. She believed the situation would be resolved by offering individuals the opportunity to purchase the pieces of land they require.

  6. Giant Hogweed. Spraying by the Estate is ongoing, weather permitting. There is a bad patch by the old foundry. The Estate was thanked for its attention to this matter.

  1. Police Report. Parked Range Rover.

  1. Sgt Neill’s report said there had been 13 calls to the Call Centre but no crimes recorded.

  2. The parking problem at South Loanhead has been addressed through removal of the skip from the driveway.

  3. Callum and Kat had attended the Police Engagement meeting. The parked Range Rover had been a major topic of conversation. PC Chandler said that, although no offence was being committed, he would speak to the owner – since so much concern about the hazard caused was still being raised.

  4. Thefts from floral displays and motor bikes on the cycle track were also raised.

  5. PC Chandler stated that speeding on the Prom will be monitored as a matter of urgency.


  1. Proposed new houses at Pattiesmuir

  1. Rebecca said that a meeting with residents would be arranged.

  2. Although the ‘piggery’ is outside the village envelope, there is an opportunity to alter designations in the new FifePlan development plan.


  1. Proposed new street lighting columns.

  1. Secretary had written an account of our community’s experience with street lighting column replacement in conservation areas, and sent it to anyone she thought might be involved! It had elicited a limited response. There is still an intention to put modern columns on Charlestown Green, although Fife still have to apply to themselves for planning permission.


  1. Fife Access Seminar

This will be on Weds 4th June from 9am to 1pm at St Brycedales in Kirkcaldy.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. Balances: BoS - £487.77; DBS - £1710.87; RFRD - £1072.14.

  2. Application form for annual grant can now be submitted.

  3. Dunfermline Building Society is being taken over by the Nationwide. A letter to this effect had been sent to Liz Hutchins (who has not been Treasurer for some 5 years). Suze will speak to DBS about their failure to record this alteration.


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Trip hazard at Capernaum Court. Secretary knew of four individuals who had tripped on a raised paving slab when delivering to the flats in Capernaum Court. The flats in question are owned by village residents but rented out. Secretary will enquire of Fife Council’s Housing department whether it retains ownership of the garden area and access to the flats.

  2. Paths for All’ are running free Path maintenance courses at Glenrothes and Oatridge. Secretary has details.

  3. Subsidised bus service consultation. Fife Council want to know more about the use and value of the 71 and 86 bus services. Survey forms are available at the Bus Station and Ferrytoll.

  4. Aircraft Carrier Naming Ceremony 4th July. Secretary had received an email today with a general message of discouragement to anyone thinking they could go along. It is not a public event. There will be significant disruption in the area. Army are responsible for site security internally and Police Scotland outside site boundary.

  5. Fife Council has a mobile exhibition of the First World War. Peter had seen it at an event. Kat will pass the information on to the Gala committee.


  1. Councillor Slot.

Nothing that has not already been discussed


  1. AOCB

None


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 24th June 2014 in the Gellet Hall.

 


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

NOTE OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 29.04.2014


Present: Sue Hamilton, Alex Hill,


In attendance: Charlie Reid Thomas, Mike Brockie, Nan Whetton, Tom Leatherland,


Apologies: Peter Curry, Geoff Cartwright, Barbara MacKenzie, Kat Tebbutt, Sgt Jillian Neill, Cllr Kate Stuart, Cllr Callaghan.


The meeting was not quorate.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 25th March 2014

No formal approval was possible.

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 25th March 2014

  1. CC recruitment. Tonight is perhaps an indication of the need for more members!

  2. Junction with A985. Traffic Scotland have yet to respond to the Secretary following the analysis of the results of the survey.in early April.

  3. Rosyth Graveyard. The small pedestrian gate is now also falling apart.

  4. Parking at The Cairns. Councillor Callaghan has apparently not followed it up.

  5. Garage at Brucehaven Crescent. Neither Councillor has yet been effective in achieving a resolution to the muddle over land ownership created by Fife Council.

  1. Police Report. Parked Range Rover.

  1. Sgt Neill’s report said there had been a number of calls to the Call Centre and one offence. Several of the calls related to the Range Rover which is regularly parked on Church Street opposite the junction with Sandilands and Brucehaven Road. Sgt Neill said that several of her officers had followed up these calls and deemed that no offence was being committed.

  2. While it may be the case that no offence is being committed, the Secretary had requested a site meeting with PC Harvey. She had demonstrated to him the reasons that residents find the parked vehicle to be a hazard to traffic turning right out of Sandilands/Brucehaven Road. It was further pointed out at the CC meeting how difficult it is to turn left out of the Old Orchard because the parked vehicle not only restricts visibility, but also and blocks the route to be taken out of the junction.

  3. All present at the meeting believed the Highway Code had something to say about parking near a junction. (Post meeting note: Indeed it does ‘Do not stop or park opposite or within 10 meters of a junction.’ It also says ‘Do not park facing against the traffic flow’.) Even if these are only advisory, these are two bits of advice that are being ignored.

  4. Parking problems previously reported do not appear to have been addressed.


  1. Proposed new houses at Pattiesmuir

  1. Pattiesmuir residents are disappointed that there has, to date, been no response from the Estate to their request for a meeting where all the issues and concerns could be raised. In the Secretary’s experience, such early meetings are of great benefit to all because they provide a non-threatening space in which the motivation and values of the various parties can emerge. The later in the process that such meetings are held, the more likely it is that positions and views will become entrenched and reduce the chance of mutual understanding.

  2. The Secretary asked if it was the case that the Estate was taking some time in proving ‘title’ to the land in question. Charlie Reid Thomas agreed that this was the main reason for delay, and apologized for not telling the residents that this was the case.

  3. CRT sought to confirm the name of the person in Pattiesmuir with whom he should correspond. It was confirmed that Geoff Cartwright is the elected Community Councillor for Pattiesmuir. It may be that Ms Davies requires to be copied into correspondence.


  1. Broomhall Estate. Other Issues.

  1. The state of the unmade road in Pattiesmuir is again a cause of serious concern. CRT suggested that nothing more would be done until houses are built. Residents find this unsatisfactory.

  2. The Core Path over Gallowridge has been re-routed round the north of the farm buildings, and to the north side of the plantation.

  3. There are to be major thinning works in the conifer plantations to the west of Broomhall involving a lot of chainsaw noise.

  4. Essential selective felling of ailing hardwoods is likely be carried out in February.

  5. The demolition work on the west wing at Broomhall is almost complete.

  6. Renovation work has started on the Sutlery building.

  7. Giant Hogweed on around Lyne Burn. CRT stated that spraying would be carried out and confirmed that this would extend to the path along the railway line.


  1. Proposed new street lighting columns.

  1. A planning application has been lodged for Red Row, but not yet for Charlestown Green.

  2. Secretary has been trying, but failing, to discover what Fife Council’s policy is with reference to street lighting in conservation areas. An apparently reasonable policy was quoted to her, but it was definitely not followed for Brucehaven Road and Church Street.

  3. John Anderson of Transportation is helpful, but as puzzled about policy as we are.


  1. The Yard Project. Scottish Lime Centre.

  1. The Lime Centre is in the process of submitting funding applications for the ‘Yard’ project, and wished the Community Council to discuss their ideas.

  2. The low attendance meant there was little discussion.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. Balances: BoS - £487.77; DBS - £1710.87; RFRD - £1072.14.

  2. Application form for annual grant prepared for submission

  3. Many thanks to Sam Burton for her examination of the accounts..


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Information received about ‘The Big Lunch’ on June 1st.

  2. APRS newsletter and notice of AGM

  3. Fife Advocacy Strategy launch event

  4. Third Sector conference 27th May.

  5. NHS seeking public representation on medicines reconciliation group.


  1. Councillor Slot.

Both councillors had personal commitments which took priority over attendance this evening.


  1. AOCB

Chairman had been contacted about football on the Green. Community Council advice on the issue is recorded in the minute of the meeting of May 2011.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 27th May 2014 in the Gellet Hall. AGM at 7.30pm. Ordinary meeting at 7.50pm


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 25.03.2014


Present: Peter Curry, Sue Hamilton, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Annie Nally, Kat Tebbutt, Callum MacInnes, Ian Cruikshanks,


In attendance:, Peter Hutchings, Margaret Hemmings, Myra Pater, Irene Ferguson, Anne Steele (Pattiesmuir residents), Cllr Callaghan, Moira Adams, Mike Brockie, John Haxton, Phil Whetton, Nan Whetton, Karen Grant, Rob Thompson, Fiona Thompson, Tom Leatherland, Doreen Kempsell, Arran Imrie, Barbara MacKenzie and Tom Bishop (Dunfermline Advocacy Initiative)


Apologies: Geoff Cartwright, Sgt Jillian Neill, Cllr Kate Stuart


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 25th February 2014

These were approved as a true record. Lesley proposed; Alex seconded.

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 25th February 2014

  1. CC recruitment. Secretary welcomed CC Callum MacInnes as an eighth member. There are still five vacancies!). Community Council elections will be held later this year. It would be great if we had enough volunteers to require an election to be held!

  2. Junction with A985. Bear’s analysis of the camera survey will be submitted to Traffic Scotland in early April.

  3. West Road resurfacing. This was done. Secretary had contacted Traffic Management to see whether the ‘cushions’ could be replaced by full width humps, but was told this would require a new Traffic Order and a long legal process

  4. Rosyth Graveyard. Bereavement Services have installed a beautiful replacement gate.

  5. Parking at The Cairns. The subject had not yet been raised at the last West Area committee. Councillor Callaghan will follow it up.

  6. Garage at Brucehaven Crescent. Councillor Stuart had met the affected residents. She is hopeful that a sensible solution will emerge.

  7. Beach Clean. This was held last Saturday. Thanks Kat for excellent organization and achieving such a good turnout, despite the absence of goodies from Greggs. There is to be another Beach Clean in June.

  1. Police Matters.

  1. Parking problems do not appear to have been addressed.

  2. Written report from Sgt Neill listed four reports: uncorroborated driving complaint on Dunfermline Road, dog bite in Mylneburn Gardens, theft in Upper Wellheads (enquiries on-going), sudden death in Charlestown.

  3. During patrols over the last few weeks Sgt Neill has personally attended at the Scout Hall and there hasn’t been anyone hanging about. (Things may change when the weather improves).


  1. Proposed new houses at Pattiesmuir

  1. Barbara Mackenzie reported on discussions from a meeting of Pattiesmuir residents held last Sunday.

  2. Serious concerns had been expressed about the substantial percentage increase in the number of dwellings in the village, and the consequent pressure on infrastructure.

  3. It is not only the fact that the road is not planned to ever be of adoptable standard. It is also the proposal for a densely packed cul-de-sac with no formal turning space and insufficient width for the safe passing of vehicles. Electricity overhead lines are vulnerable and under-capacity, there having been a number of Pattiesmuir-specific power cuts of late. The mains water pressure is also low. All sewage disposal is by septic tank, either individual or shared – the latter causing some difficulty between the different users.

  4. There has, to date, been no response from the Estate concerning issues raised at the last meeting and, in particular, no information about the relative density of current housing and that proposed in the development.  Kathleen agreed to take the new issues of power and water supply away for consideration.

  5. Residents made a formal request that Broomhall Estate arrange to meet with the residents of Pattiesmuir.


  1. Broomhall Estate

  1. Pothole at north east corner of Charlestown Green needs dealing with. It is a good time to inspect it now because it is not full of water and the depth and sharpness are evident.

  2. The state of the unmade road in Pattiesmuir is again a cause of serious concern.


  1. Dunfermline Advocacy Initiative

  1. Barbara Mackenzie thanked the Community Council for the opportunity for her and her colleague, Tom Bishop, to speak about the work of Dunfermline Advocacy Initiative.

  2. They provide ‘citizen advocacy’ for vulnerable people in the community. Friendships that develop between the clients and their volunteers can be short term or last for years, and they often change lives and prospects for individuals. No qualification is required of the volunteers who are CRB checked and who are provided with appropriate training.

  3. Alex Hill has been a citizen advocate for several months. He described how it worked for him and the client whom he befriends.

  4. Tom is working on a short term project linked to the imminent integration of Health and Social Care in Scotland. This scheme will see the personalization of the care package which vulnerable individuals receive. Tom’s work will involve supporting individuals in selecting and developing the care package which is right for them.


  1. Future of Crombie School

  1. Tony Orton, chairman of Crombie Residents’ Association had asked if he might address this Community Council. (It had been found that, in a small community such as Crombie, it had been difficult to maintain attendance of elected members at such a level that a Community Council there could function. The Community Council had now been replaced by the Residents’ Association, the focus of which, of late, has been the threatened closure of the school.)

  2. The consultation currently underway is on the proposal to close the school and transfer the pupils to Limekilns.

  3. The Residents’ Association, who are campaigning to keep the school open, have a day of action this Wednesday, on the day when Fife Council is hosting a drop-in event at the school. There is also to be a drop-in event at Limekilns school on Thursday of this week. (No-one present had been aware of seeing any overt publicity for this event.)

  4. There has been a suggestion from the Residents’ Association that, in order to keep Crombie open and make best use of the building, the Nursery might transfer to Crombie. A number of reasons were given why this would be unlikely to find favour with parents in Limekilns.

  5. Cllr Callaghan stated that a decision whether or not to close the school would always have to be made against the fact that it costs £15,000 per pupil to keep Crombie open, as against £4,000 per pupil if they were transferred to Limekilns.

  6. Mr Orton was thanked for addressing the Community Council.

  7. (After note, the Chair attended the consultation meeting with the education department in Limekilns School on the Thursday evening and it was noted that the residents of Crombie had proposed moving the nursery from Limekilns to Crombie and that, as a result, Fife Council will be considering and responding to this.)


  1. Arran Imrie, filming project.

Arran lives in Pattiesmuir, and is studying film production. For his student project he has chosen to make three short advertising films for the Sundial Café. He has carried out a lot of preparatory work and it has been suggested by his tutor that he should seek permission for this project. We can only say that we are delighted that he has chosen a local project but that we are not in a position to grant ‘permission’. As Google has demonstrated with its ‘Street View’, anyone can film in the public realm, as long as they do not invade privacy or use images of recognizable individuals without their permission. Secretary will write him a letter of support for his endeavours and wish him well.

  1. Proposed new street lighting columns in Charlestown

  1. Secretary had been contacted by John Anderson of Fife Council, who said that it is proposed to renew the lighting columns in the whole of upper Charlestown.

  2. This raises the serious issue of ‘modern’ versus ‘period’ design. Fife Council policy on this matter has never been consistent, and we have old and new side by side in Limekilns.

  3. The meeting agreed that, since Charlestown Green is such an important conservation area where householders have to conform to very strict guidelines as to what alterations are made to their property, the local authority should not be allowed to get away with using a modern cheaper alternative on the grounds of cost. Many householders would have been delighted to use modern cheaper alternatives on their own properties if that had been ‘allowed’.

  4. Secretary will write to Mr Anderson accordingly.


  1. Application for variation of liquor license at Forth Cruising Club.

The Cruising Club has applied for a variation in licensing hours, so that their modest social programme is not restricted by the necessity to terminate functions early. What is proposed is the standard licensing hours. The Community Council has no objection. Secretary will write to confirm this.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. Balances unchanged from last month: BoS - £487.77; DBS - £1710.29; RFRD - £1072.14

  2. End of year accounts have been prepared.

  3. Application form for annual grant has been received.


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Forth Bridges anniversary event organisers are looking for volunteers to help with the event. Contact volunteering@indigops.com

  2. Fife Council want to know if we want more drinking byelaw signs. No we don’t.

  3. Secretary had forwarded to the Gala Secretary an email offering wrestling as an entertainment event.

  4. Secretary had received an e-mail asking about placing a memorial bench on the Ballast bank. Kathleen will check with the Estate. Secretary will pass details to Fife Council.

  5. Road works at Halketts Hall this week are to do with undergrounding telephone cables.


  1. Councillor Slot.

Nothing beyond what has been discussed.


  1. AOCB

  1. Cruising Club ‘craning in’ will be on the weekend of 12th – 13th April. Access to Capernaum Pier will be restricted.

  2. The verge at the road junction has been cultivated by Fife Council in anticipation of the planting of annual flower seeds.

  3. Limekilns Pier. Russell Kelly, who was to take a lead on repairs, has been out of action for a variety of reasons.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 29th April 2014 in the Gellet Hall

 

 

 


 

CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 25.03.2014


Present: Peter Curry, Sue Hamilton, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Annie Nally, Kat Tebbutt, Callum MacInnes, Ian Cruikshanks,


In attendance:, Peter Hutchings, Margaret Hemmings, Myra Pater, Irene Ferguson, Anne Steele (Pattiesmuir residents), Cllr Callaghan, Moira Adams, Mike Brockie, John Haxton, Phil Whetton, Nan Whetton, Karen Grant, Rob Thompson, Fiona Thompson, Tom Leatherland, Doreen Kempsell, Arran Imrie, Barbara MacKenzie and Tom Bishop (Dunfermline Advocacy Initiative)


Apologies: Geoff Cartwright, Sgt Jillian Neill, Cllr Kate Stuart


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 25th February 2014

These were approved as a true record. Lesley proposed; Alex seconded.

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 25th February 2014

  1. CC recruitment. Secretary welcomed CC Callum MacInnes as an eighth member. There are still five vacancies!). Community Council elections will be held later this year. It would be great if we had enough volunteers to require an election to be held!

  2. Junction with A985. Bear’s analysis of the camera survey will be submitted to Traffic Scotland in early April.

  3. West Road resurfacing. This was done. Secretary had contacted Traffic Management to see whether the ‘cushions’ could be replaced by full width humps, but was told this would require a new Traffic Order and a long legal process

  4. Rosyth Graveyard. Bereavement Services have installed a beautiful replacement gate.

  5. Parking at The Cairns. The subject had not yet been raised at the last West Area committee. Councillor Callaghan will follow it up.

  6. Garage at Brucehaven Crescent. Councillor Stuart had met the affected residents. She is hopeful that a sensible solution will emerge.

  7. Beach Clean. This was held last Saturday. Thanks Kat for excellent organization and achieving such a good turnout, despite the absence of goodies from Greggs. There is to be another Beach Clean in June.

  1. Police Matters.

  1. Parking problems do not appear to have been addressed.

  2. Written report from Sgt Neill listed four reports: uncorroborated driving complaint on Dunfermline Road, dog bite in Mylneburn Gardens, theft in Upper Wellheads (enquiries on-going), sudden death in Charlestown.

  3. During patrols over the last few weeks Sgt Neill has personally attended at the Scout Hall and there hasn’t been anyone hanging about. (Things may change when the weather improves).


  1. Proposed new houses at Pattiesmuir

  1. Barbara Mackenzie reported on discussions from a meeting of Pattiesmuir residents held last Sunday.

  2. Serious concerns had been expressed about the substantial percentage increase in the number of dwellings in the village, and the consequent pressure on infrastructure.

  3. It is not only the fact that the road is not planned to ever be of adoptable standard. It is also the proposal for a densely packed cul-de-sac with no formal turning space and insufficient width for the safe passing of vehicles. Electricity overhead lines are vulnerable and under-capacity, there having been a number of Pattiesmuir-specific power cuts of late. The mains water pressure is also low. All sewage disposal is by septic tank, either individual or shared – the latter causing some difficulty between the different users.

  4. There has, to date, been no response from the Estate concerning issues raised at the last meeting and, in particular, no information about the relative density of current housing and that proposed in the development.  Kathleen agreed to take the new issues of power and water supply away for consideration.

  5. Residents made a formal request that Broomhall Estate arrange to meet with the residents of Pattiesmuir.


  1. Broomhall Estate

  1. Pothole at north east corner of Charlestown Green needs dealing with. It is a good time to inspect it now because it is not full of water and the depth and sharpness are evident.

  2. The state of the unmade road in Pattiesmuir is again a cause of serious concern.


  1. Dunfermline Advocacy Initiative

  1. Barbara Mackenzie thanked the Community Council for the opportunity for her and her colleague, Tom Bishop, to speak about the work of Dunfermline Advocacy Initiative.

  2. They provide ‘citizen advocacy’ for vulnerable people in the community. Friendships that develop between the clients and their volunteers can be short term or last for years, and they often change lives and prospects for individuals. No qualification is required of the volunteers who are CRB checked and who are provided with appropriate training.

  3. Alex Hill has been a citizen advocate for several months. He described how it worked for him and the client whom he befriends.

  4. Tom is working on a short term project linked to the imminent integration of Health and Social Care in Scotland. This scheme will see the personalization of the care package which vulnerable individuals receive. Tom’s work will involve supporting individuals in selecting and developing the care package which is right for them.


  1. Future of Crombie School

  1. Tony Orton, chairman of Crombie Residents’ Association had asked if he might address this Community Council. (It had been found that, in a small community such as Crombie, it had been difficult to maintain attendance of elected members at such a level that a Community Council there could function. The Community Council had now been replaced by the Residents’ Association, the focus of which, of late, has been the threatened closure of the school.)

  2. The consultation currently underway is on the proposal to close the school and transfer the pupils to Limekilns.

  3. The Residents’ Association, who are campaigning to keep the school open, have a day of action this Wednesday, on the day when Fife Council is hosting a drop-in event at the school. There is also to be a drop-in event at Limekilns school on Thursday of this week. (No-one present had been aware of seeing any overt publicity for this event.)

  4. There has been a suggestion from the Residents’ Association that, in order to keep Crombie open and make best use of the building, the Nursery might transfer to Crombie. A number of reasons were given why this would be unlikely to find favour with parents in Limekilns.

  5. Cllr Callaghan stated that a decision whether or not to close the school would always have to be made against the fact that it costs £15,000 per pupil to keep Crombie open, as against £4,000 per pupil if they were transferred to Limekilns.

  6. Mr Orton was thanked for addressing the Community Council.

  7. (After note, the Chair attended the consultation meeting with the education department in Limekilns School on the Thursday evening and it was noted that the residents of Crombie had proposed moving the nursery from Limekilns to Crombie and that, as a result, Fife Council will be considering and responding to this.)


  1. Arran Imrie, filming project.

Arran lives in Pattiesmuir, and is studying film production. For his student project he has chosen to make three short advertising films for the Sundial Café. He has carried out a lot of preparatory work and it has been suggested by his tutor that he should seek permission for this project. We can only say that we are delighted that he has chosen a local project but that we are not in a position to grant ‘permission’. As Google has demonstrated with its ‘Street View’, anyone can film in the public realm, as long as they do not invade privacy or use images of recognizable individuals without their permission. Secretary will write him a letter of support for his endeavours and wish him well.

  1. Proposed new street lighting columns in Charlestown

  1. Secretary had been contacted by John Anderson of Fife Council, who said that it is proposed to renew the lighting columns in the whole of upper Charlestown.

  2. This raises the serious issue of ‘modern’ versus ‘period’ design. Fife Council policy on this matter has never been consistent, and we have old and new side by side in Limekilns.

  3. The meeting agreed that, since Charlestown Green is such an important conservation area where householders have to conform to very strict guidelines as to what alterations are made to their property, the local authority should not be allowed to get away with using a modern cheaper alternative on the grounds of cost. Many householders would have been delighted to use modern cheaper alternatives on their own properties if that had been ‘allowed’.

  4. Secretary will write to Mr Anderson accordingly.


  1. Application for variation of liquor license at Forth Cruising Club.

The Cruising Club has applied for a variation in licensing hours, so that their modest social programme is not restricted by the necessity to terminate functions early. What is proposed is the standard licensing hours. The Community Council has no objection. Secretary will write to confirm this.


  1. Treasurer's Report

  1. Balances unchanged from last month: BoS - £487.77; DBS - £1710.29; RFRD - £1072.14

  2. End of year accounts have been prepared.

  3. Application form for annual grant has been received.


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Forth Bridges anniversary event organisers are looking for volunteers to help with the event. Contact volunteering@indigops.com

  2. Fife Council want to know if we want more drinking byelaw signs. No we don’t.

  3. Secretary had forwarded to the Gala Secretary an email offering wrestling as an entertainment event.

  4. Secretary had received an e-mail asking about placing a memorial bench on the Ballast bank. Kathleen will check with the Estate. Secretary will pass details to Fife Council.

  5. Road works at Halketts Hall this week are to do with undergrounding telephone cables.


  1. Councillor Slot.

Nothing beyond what has been discussed.


  1. AOCB

  1. Cruising Club ‘craning in’ will be on the weekend of 12th – 13th April. Access to Capernaum Pier will be restricted.

  2. The verge at the road junction has been cultivated by Fife Council in anticipation of the planting of annual flower seeds.

  3. Limekilns Pier. Russell Kelly, who was to take a lead on repairs, has been out of action for a variety of reasons.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 29th April 2014 in the Gellet Hall


CHARLESTOWN, LIMEKILNS AND PATTIESMUIR COMMUNITY COUNCIL

MINUTES OF MEETING HELD AT THE GELLET HALL 25.02.2014


Present: Geoff Cartwright, Peter Curry, Sue Hamilton, Lesley Scott, Alex Hill, Ian Cruikshanks, Charlie Reid Thomas,


In attendance: Carole Muir, Fiona Davies, Robin Gray (Pattiesmuir residents), Andrew and Georgia McCafferty and Steve Runciman (with Charlie Reid Thomas), Keith Poulner (Kapital Developments), Suze Anderson, Malcolm Hamilton, David Gray, Margaret Lobley, David Gostick, Callum MacInnes, Lorna Wilkie,


Apologies: Annie Nally, Kat Tebbutt, Tom Scott, Sgt Jillian Neill, Cllr Callaghan.


  1. Minutes of the meeting of 28th January 2014

These were approved as a true record. Lesley proposed; Suze Anderson seconded.

  1. Matters Arising from Meeting of 28th January 2014

  1. CC recruitment. We only have seven full members at present. Secretary has written a CC recruitment piece in Village Link. Callum MacInnes, in attendance today, has recently moved to the village and is interested in joining that Community Council.

  2. Speeding on Overhaven. Results of speed assessment did not provide evidence of a priority need for traffic calming measures, but it will be put on the list for future attention. The new measure that Tom Scott had reported at Grange Road is to be a speed table, rather than cushions.

  3. Crombie School. Councillors voted for closure of Crombie and transfer to Limekilns as of October this year. However, this decision is to be subject of further scrutiny in terms of governance.

  4. Red Row lighting columns. Secretary had elicited a response today. There is to be a planning application for the replacement of the columns like for like with aluminium columns.

  5. FIFEplan consultation. Secretary had made submissions on behalf of the Community Council. Had been wrong-footed by the fact that the consultation closed at 5pm on the final day, rather than 11.59 as it has been in the past. She was given extra time after pointing out that the change of time had not been highlighted. The web site for FIFEplan is well designed. Search for FIFEplan on www.fifedirect.org.uk Click on ‘See the sites for your area’. As you click further on each site, a panel comes up describing the proposal in brief. Click again on ‘comments’ and you will see the comments that have been made.

  6. Representatives from Dunfermline Advocacy will come to the March meeting.

  7. Path reconstruction at the Cairns. Secretary had been told that the total cost of the path had been £5,046.99. She had spoken to Lynn Hoey, Locality Manager, who said that Fife Council priorities meant that additional car parking was out of the question. However, she would ask John McQueen to look at the cost of laying additional ‘Grasscrete’.

  8. Rosyth Graveyard. Secretary had met a man called Mitch of Bereavement Services about the broken gate and collapsed fence.

  9. Beach Clean. This would be on 23rd March. This is to fit in with the Keep Scotland Beautiful clean up season. Another could be arranged later in the season if plenty of volunteers are available.


  1. Police Matters.

  1. Parking problems do not appear to have been addressed.

  2. No crimes have been reported in the villages in the past month.


  1. Junction with A985.

  1. Cameras and speed assessment measures had been in place from Tuesday to Friday last week.

  2. BEAR vehicles seen at the junction today were repairing gullies.



  1. Submarine Dismantling consultation.

  1. We have received no formal notification of this, despite our having been fully involved in the earlier consultation.

  2. The consultation runs until April 22nd (despite the fact that it says, in several places, including the Edinburgh Gazette that it is for 30 days from January 17th)

  3. Tom Leatherland has copied to the Secretary, the letter he has written. Secretary suggests that the main point we shall make is that we should be included on the Local Liaison Committee.

  4. In general, things will be done in such a way as not to endanger workers on site. It is therefore unlikely that there will be radiological hazard to any neighbouring communities.


  1. Broomhall EstateProposed new houses at Pattiesmuir

  1. Andrew McCafferty, planning consultant for Broomhall Estate, presented an outline of the housing sites the Estate hoped to develop in Pattiesmuir.

  2. Steve Runciman, Architect was also present to explain the concept.

  3. Background: An earlier planning application for building on the three plots had been refused on the grounds that access to the main road required visibility splays before any additional houses could be built. Broomhall Estate has subsequently purchased Kilberry Cottage from which garden ground can be released.

  4. The plan prepared for the Estate showed a proposal to build nine houses rather than the four indicated in the previous proposal! This was a great surprise to residents and Community Council alike.

  5. The roadway to access these properties would be improved but would never be of sufficient width to be adopted by Fife Council. This was also at odds with what had been understood with the earlier plans, when the road would have been improved to adoptable standards for the length required to access the new properties.

  6. The proposed roadway is effectively a cul-de-sac but has narrow width and no turning circle so is unlikely to be adequate to serve the number of properties proposed.

  7. The loss of the casual parking area and turning point beyond the College would cause difficulty for all who live in and visit Pattiesmuir.

  8. Addition of 9 properties would constitute an increase of over 40% in the size of Pattiesmuir.

  9. Secretary asked that a copy of the plan be emailed to her for onward distribution.

  10. Pattiesmuir residents were asked to put their concerns in writing to the Estate Office


  1. Hilton Development at Rosyth

  1. Keith Poulner described and explained the plans for the first phase of the development which is to be in the south-west corner near the ‘Lexmark’ roundabout. This is to be shopping parade, including a modest Sainsbury store, with flats above. Design to reflect the garden city architecture.

  2. He had been as surprised as we were when Transport Scotland did not allow access to the new development off the ‘Lexmark’ roundabout. Instead, there is to be a right turn off the hill on Brankholm Brae. This appeared to the Community Council to be a somewhat hazardous option.

  3. Information about the development is available at www.hiltondevelopments.co.uk


  1. Treasurer's Report

  • DBS - £1710.29

  • RFRD - £1072.14

  • BoS - £487.77


  1. Secretary's Report.

  1. Notice received today of an impending review by the Boundary commission of council ward boundaries.

  2. Potholes at Charlestown Green. Major potholes have developed again near the north-east corner. A request was made to the Estate Factor for them to be filled.

  3. Garage site at Brucehaven Crescent. Purchaser of Margaret Tait’s house in Brucehaven Crescent has been refused a transfer of the lease - on the grounds that there is a ‘waiting list’. Fife Council seems to work its ‘system’ without reference to the fact that this is the only Fife garage site or lock-up in the villages and that it has been leased by the same tenant for some 50 years. Secretary has contacted Lynn Hoey and asked her to look into this situation. Neighbours on either side are concerned about additional traffic taking access in a very narrow lane which is, in any case, owned over half its width by the three property owners.

  4. Coal Bed Methane / Fracking. Through her association with Planning Democracy, secretary had been made aware of the appeal lodged by Dart Energy against the refusal of Falkirk and Stirling Councils to grant planning permission for multiple drilling operations around Larbert and Airth. She had become aware that, through our membership of the West Fife Community Council Forum, our Community Council had been included in an objection to the application on behalf of West Fife residents. The Community Council in the Larbert area is working very hard on challenging the proposal. Secretary had written to all Community Councils in Fife, highlighting how close this industry might be coming to our communities. She had received no acknowledgement from any of them, but found that her letter had been printed verbatim as an article in the Courier!

  5. Tomorrow at 1pm in the Rothes Halls there will be a Scottish Police Authority Board meeting to which members of the public are invited.

  6. APRS Newsletter.

  7. Two mailings about funding for community energy projects.


  1. Councillor Slot. No Councillor


  1. AOCB

  1. Today, Secretary had received notice that West Road is to be resurfaced. This is not the long-awaited resurfacing of the carriageway between the corner and the railway bridge, but West Road between the Sutlery and the corner. This is to involve daytime road closure from 10th – 14th March. Meeting suggested it would be an opportunity to replace the awful cushions with full width speed humps. Secretary will enquire.

  2. Limekilns Church has made an application for funding repairs of the building to Fife Environment Trust who require evidence of support from the community by way of a petition. Those present were invited to sign the petition.


Date of Next Meeting: Tuesday 25th March 2

 


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